I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?
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Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?”
“I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?”
Is a protected ranking classed as a wildcard?
Originally Posted by BBTweets:
“Is a protected ranking classed as a wildcard?”
“Is a protected ranking classed as a wildcard?”
Hmm. I had thought from memory he played the Olympics as a wildcard but yes, it was a PR.
Im sure Shanghai was his 6th wildcard of the year and he wasnt to get any more under the rules, though. Maybe it was only his 5th!
Right Ive done some digging, he had wildcards at
Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach
...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?
Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach
...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“Right Ive done some digging, he had wildcards at
Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach
...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?”
“Right Ive done some digging, he had wildcards at
Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach
...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?”
It must be, it's the only way it makes sense. The ITF website says this.
'If you wish to apply for a Wild Card, you should get in touch with the host National Association and/or Tournament Director. ITF does not give out Wild Cards.'
So slams are totally separate?
Must be, so it means that a player can, in theory, get TEN wildcards into ranking events in a calendar year if coming back from long term injury. All of this on top of using a protected ranking for four (?) events.
Originally Posted by dduk:
“Gavrilova v Carla will be a tough match for Carla, the Aussie has been playing quite well just lately.”
“Gavrilova v Carla will be a tough match for Carla, the Aussie has been playing quite well just lately.”
CSN withdrew injured when losing 6-4 3-0.
Kuznetsova through against Cornet.
On tanking, the difference with Kyrgios is he makes his so blatant and on massive televised courts. Tomic is more subtle. Paire/Fognini/Monfils of old tanked to varying degrees, but it seemed to be a tactical ploy to throw off an opponent in form.
If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.
Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.
Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.
Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.
Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.
If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.
Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.
Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“Gavrilova is someone who I was expecting more from this year, started well but didn't do a great deal afterwards.
Sad to see Genie lost her match in Luxembourg, increasingly convinced there's nowhere left for her to go now.”
“Gavrilova is someone who I was expecting more from this year, started well but didn't do a great deal afterwards.
Sad to see Genie lost her match in Luxembourg, increasingly convinced there's nowhere left for her to go now.”
Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.
Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“I hope Sveta makes it to Singapore myself, because she's epic.
”
“I hope Sveta makes it to Singapore myself, because she's epic.
”
Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.
Kyrgios won't be going to Rotterdam next year. Richard Krajicek doesn't want to take the risk knowing that Nick would rather go to the NBA All-Star Game exho happening during that week.
http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html
Google translate:
This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.
http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html
Google translate:
Spoiler
This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.
Originally Posted by Cherry-choc:
“On tanking, the difference with Kyrgios is he makes his so blatant and on massive televised courts. Tomic is more subtle. Paire/Fognini/Monfils of old tanked to varying degrees, but it seemed to be a tactical ploy to throw off an opponent in form.
If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.
Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.
Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.
Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.
Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.”
“On tanking, the difference with Kyrgios is he makes his so blatant and on massive televised courts. Tomic is more subtle. Paire/Fognini/Monfils of old tanked to varying degrees, but it seemed to be a tactical ploy to throw off an opponent in form.
If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.
Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.
Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.
Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.
Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.”
It's quite spectacular overachievement though, has there ever been any player who went on a huge tear at the slams for one season then did nothing afterwards? Can't think off the top of my head. I still sometimes watch highlights of that beatdown she got in the Wimbledon final, in hindsight it's hilarious anyone actually thought she could beat Petra.
Originally Posted by Cherry-choc:
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Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.”
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Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.”
OK, just one simple question then: do the Slams count towards the wildcard limit?
Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“It's quite spectacular overachievement though, has there ever been any player who went on a huge tear at the slams for one season then did nothing afterwards? Can't think off the top of my head. I still sometimes watch highlights of that beatdown she got in the Wimbledon final, in hindsight it's hilarious anyone actually thought she could beat Petra.”
“It's quite spectacular overachievement though, has there ever been any player who went on a huge tear at the slams for one season then did nothing afterwards? Can't think off the top of my head. I still sometimes watch highlights of that beatdown she got in the Wimbledon final, in hindsight it's hilarious anyone actually thought she could beat Petra.”
Probably happened quite a lot in the past really. Young players come through and mask their technical difficulties with the confidence of yoof. Tennis is such an huge confidence sport. Especially with someone like Bouchard whose game is based on a low-percentage taking the ball early.
Zvonareva perhaps, even though she was longer lived than Bouchard. Jaeger maybe.
Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.
Originally Posted by BigBmad:
“Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.”
“Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.”
In which case they are all idiots.
What do you more knowledgeable people make of this?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...celebrity-game
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...celebrity-game
We still don't have any updates on exactly whether Jo Konta would be fit to play in Singapore, should she qualify. But it would be nice for her, if she could qualify.
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?”
“I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?”
He is good box office - who wouldn't pick him as a wildcard to boost ticket sales.
Surprised he is still ranked so low though.
Originally Posted by dduk:
“We still don't have any updates on exactly whether Jo Konta would be fit to play in Singapore, should she qualify. But it would be nice for her, if she could qualify.”
“We still don't have any updates on exactly whether Jo Konta would be fit to play in Singapore, should she qualify. But it would be nice for her, if she could qualify.”
The even starts in 3 says and it takes 14 hours to fly their from the UK - so Jo will have to decide soon. Given the Moscow final is Saturday the final place will be decided less than a day before the finals start.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“The even starts in 3 says and it takes 14 hours to fly their from the UK - so Jo will have to decide soon. Given the Moscow final is Saturday the final place will be decided less than a day before the finals start.”
“The even starts in 3 says and it takes 14 hours to fly their from the UK - so Jo will have to decide soon. Given the Moscow final is Saturday the final place will be decided less than a day before the finals start.”
Did Jo fly back to the UK from Hong Kong then?
Originally Posted by dduk:
“Did Jo fly back to the UK from Hong Kong then?”
“Did Jo fly back to the UK from Hong Kong then?”
Probably not - but she hasn't tweeted since Sunday.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Probably not - but she hasn't tweeted since Sunday.”
“Probably not - but she hasn't tweeted since Sunday.”
She may decide that going for the Elite trophy is the better option if she's not 100% now.
Originally Posted by Lisa.B:
“Kyrgios won't be going to Rotterdam next year. Richard Krajicek doesn't want to take the risk knowing that Nick would rather go to the NBA All-Star Game exho happening during that week.
http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html
Google translate:
This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.”
“Kyrgios won't be going to Rotterdam next year. Richard Krajicek doesn't want to take the risk knowing that Nick would rather go to the NBA All-Star Game exho happening during that week.
http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html
Google translate:
Spoiler
This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.”
Krajicek's called NK's bluff here, whilst reassuring potential Rotterdam spectators. Seems fair enough.
I doubt Kyrgios would be in this situation if he had a coach though. Onus will probably be on Hewitt to babysit in the short term.
Originally Posted by Ginger Daddy:
“OK, just one simple question then: do the Slams count towards the wildcard limit?”
“OK, just one simple question then: do the Slams count towards the wildcard limit?”
Just had a gander at the rulebook and I don't think so, as they're ITF events. ATP regs only pertain to ATP events, and the current limit is 5, or 6 with special dispensation.
Perhaps the way to go for seriously injured players is to use protected ranking at the slams and wildcards elsewhere?
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Probably happened quite a lot in the past really. Young players come through and mask their technical difficulties with the confidence of yoof. Tennis is such an huge confidence sport. Especially with someone like Bouchard whose game is based on a low-percentage taking the ball early.
Zvonareva perhaps, even though she was longer lived than Bouchard. Jaeger maybe.”
“Probably happened quite a lot in the past really. Young players come through and mask their technical difficulties with the confidence of yoof. Tennis is such an huge confidence sport. Especially with someone like Bouchard whose game is based on a low-percentage taking the ball early.
Zvonareva perhaps, even though she was longer lived than Bouchard. Jaeger maybe.”
Indeed. When you're new on the scene you're really playing with freedom, without ranking-induced pressure and rivals/coaches won't have had time to study your gamestyle, favourite patterns of play. They'll do their homework eventually though.
The onus is then on you to develop other patterns of play, making marginal gains and continually improving your game. Adding stuff like superior serve placement, learning kick/slice serve, transition game, volleying technique, footwork improvements in defence...list is endless.
Originally Posted by BigBmad:
“Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.”
“Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.”
It can't all be down to her funky ball bounce. It means Jo is a threat to their declining faves and is on the right path
Their hatred for a lovely girl says far more about them than it does about Jo.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“He is good box office - who wouldn't pick him as a wildcard to boost ticket sales.
Surprised he is still ranked so low though.”
“He is good box office - who wouldn't pick him as a wildcard to boost ticket sales.
Surprised he is still ranked so low though.”
Delpo was done over by the Olympics/DC no longer awarding ATP points. For example, Fed got 450 points for reaching the Olympic final in 2012...with those points, Delpo would've been knocking on the door of the top 30 currently.
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