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Old 03-01-2017, 11:56
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Please don't make this political Billy. Andy Murray is the finest sportsman these shores have produced in years and what he has achieved should not be defined by where he was born. I expect the "honour" will mean little to him as he goes about his business.
Come off it Murray plays Tennis, hardly a mass participant sport. Others do the business in much harder sports in terms of both competition and skill. Such awards especially sporting ones have been cheapened in recent times given to pedal cyclers, rowers etc but I personally think a knighthood for Murray is OTT. I admire what he has done but Tennis is low end as regards sport so perspective should be kept.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:31
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Come off it Murray plays Tennis, hardly a mass participant sport. Others do the business in much harder sports in terms of both competition and skill. Such awards especially sporting ones have been cheapened in recent times given to pedal cyclers, rowers etc but I personally think a knighthood for Murray is OTT. I admire what he has done but Tennis is low end as regards sport so perspective should be kept.
Ahem! I might be slightly biased, but tennis is the world's biggest and most popular single player sport. Roger Federer is the world's highest paid athlete in an individual sport and Djokovic is the second highest. It is popular all over the world. If less people participate in tennis than golf it's because you have to be reasonably fit to play it.

Tennis is one of the most competitive sports on the planet, I would say second most after football, but you need a bigger skillset to play tennis. It is immensely tough. You have to be 9/10 for everything, mental strength, physical fitness, durability and you need massive amounts of technical skill. It's not like football where if you're a big bastard who can head the ball then you're excused the ability to trap it and pass. Any weaknesses you have will be ruthlessly exposed. Federer, the 17-time Grand Slam champion and 27-time Grand Slam finalist, has had a tiny weakness on his backhand side exposed, so if you try to play this game at professional level, you had better believe your weaknesses will be exposed. There is nowhere to hide.

The top 50 are almost stupendously good. To be a top 50 tennis player, at worst you've got to be the absolute best player your country has produced over a 5-year period. You have to be the equivalent of Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard, Paul Gascoigne, Michael Owen, etc. That's just to be a run of the mill professional. And you don't get the stupendous wealth that they have handed on a plate to you.

There are at least 500 very good professional players out there, and maybe an upper estimate would be 1,000. So you can get dicked at any time, anywhere by anyone. And they're not getting paid a guaranteed 200 grand per week; most of them are hungry as hell and scrapping to make enough money to survive.

Laura Robson won junior Wimbledon and was ITF junior world number 1, and has barely won a match for 12 months. I assure you that it is not easy! I played Andrew Richardson, the former British number 2, when I was a teenager, and he was already well over 6' even at that age, hit the ball like a rocket, had a massive serve, just an incredible player. I assure you that facing him is a significant challenge. Yet he never made the top 100 in the world.

So I don't mean to lecture you, but you couldn't be more wrong.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:11
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Ahem! I might be slightly biased, but tennis is the world's biggest and most popular single player sport. Roger Federer is the world's highest paid athlete in an individual sport and Djokovic is the second highest. It is popular all over the world. If less people participate in tennis than golf it's because you have to be reasonably fit to play it.

Tennis is one of the most competitive sports on the planet, I would say second most after football, but you need a bigger skillset to play tennis. It is immensely tough. You have to be 9/10 for everything, mental strength, physical fitness, durability and you need massive amounts of technical skill. It's not like football where if you're a big bastard who can head the ball then you're excused the ability to trap it and pass. Any weaknesses you have will be ruthlessly exposed. Federer, the 17-time Grand Slam champion and 27-time Grand Slam finalist, has had a tiny weakness on his backhand side exposed, so if you try to play this game at professional level, you had better believe your weaknesses will be exposed. There is nowhere to hide.

The top 50 are almost stupendously good. To be a top 50 tennis player, at worst you've got to be the absolute best player your country has produced over a 5-year period. You have to be the equivalent of Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard, Paul Gascoigne, Michael Owen, etc. That's just to be a run of the mill professional. And you don't get the stupendous wealth that they have handed on a plate to you.

There are at least 500 very good professional players out there, and maybe an upper estimate would be 1,000. So you can get dicked at any time, anywhere by anyone. And they're not getting paid a guaranteed 200 grand per week; most of them are hungry as hell and scrapping to make enough money to survive.

Laura Robson won junior Wimbledon and was ITF junior world number 1, and has barely won a match for 12 months. I assure you that it is not easy! I played Andrew Richardson, the former British number 2, when I was a teenager, and he was already well over 6' even at that age, hit the ball like a rocket, had a massive serve, just an incredible player. I assure you that facing him is a significant challenge. Yet he never made the top 100 in the world.

So I don't mean to lecture you, but you couldn't be more wrong.
I think you are wrong and badly so, most talented kids go to team sport and individual more to Athletics. I don't know anybody who plays Tennis and as for skill they get two hits for a serve, really at top level they should rarely miss but they do.

I could name and argue most Sports to be higher level in skill, talent or bravery. As a Sport it is more suited to Ladies and that's where it's main strength is.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:23
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As I have said (and been mocked for) before I found tennis to be the least physically draining sport I have played (lawn bowls excepted).
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:53
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Stunning quality in the darts final.
Was it two world records broken?
Am going to pay a lot more attention to darts this year, really enjoyed the last few days.
Hail Hail Sleeps!
You see Gtiff tieing a Hoops scarf to the goal post?
It was a great game last night, I know Anderson and van Gerwen broke the record for most 180s in a World Championship match (42 beating 34), but what was the other record broken? I don't think it was one relating to averages but I could be wrong.

On the subject of darts, with talkSPORT 2 developing a number of very strong sports-specific magazine shows and podcasts, do any of you think it would be worthwhile for them to launch a new darts show? There was talk of talkSPORT putting together a darts show a few years ago, I think around the turn of the decade when ITV4 used to broadcast the Grand Slam of Darts, with Chris Mason claiming to have been approached about a potential show if I remember rightly. Nowadays there is ample space in the new secondary station's schedule for such a programme, and there are plenty of potential candidates to host it from those who have covered darts and also work on talkSPORT - you have Matt Smith, Ray Stubbs, Nigel Pearson, Jim Proudfoot and Dan Dawson for a start.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:56
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As I have said (and been mocked for) before I found tennis to be the least physically draining sport I have played (lawn bowls excepted).
It must be demanding at high level but they get loads of breaks, so compared to top Rugby or Football it is pretty tame. The one thing about Murray that sets him apart from most Tennis players is the strength and fitness he has built up, that is why he wins a lot more now, he has taken Nadal's baton since he became more fragile physically.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:24
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It must be demanding at high level but they get loads of breaks, so compared to top Rugby or Football it is pretty tame. The one thing about Murray that sets him apart from most Tennis players is the strength and fitness he has built up, that is why he wins a lot more now, he has taken Nadal's baton since he became more fragile physically.
Tennis season is ten months which is longer that football or rugby.
Lots more travel and living away from home as well.
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Old 03-01-2017, 15:50
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It was a great game last night, I know Anderson and van Gerwen broke the record for most 180s in a World Championship match (42 beating 34), but what was the other record broken? I don't think it was one relating to averages but I could be wrong.

On the subject of darts, with talkSPORT 2 developing a number of very strong sports-specific magazine shows and podcasts, do any of you think it would be worthwhile for them to launch a new darts show? There was talk of talkSPORT putting together a darts show a few years ago, I think around the turn of the decade when ITV4 used to broadcast the Grand Slam of Darts, with Chris Mason claiming to have been approached about a potential show if I remember rightly. Nowadays there is ample space in the new secondary station's schedule for such a programme, and there are plenty of potential candidates to host it from those who have covered darts and also work on talkSPORT - you have Matt Smith, Ray Stubbs, Nigel Pearson, Jim Proudfoot and Dan Dawson for a start.
I think it might have been van Gerwen's 107 average over three darts Diff the best in a PDC world final since Taylor beat Barney some years back. MGV was sensational last night [as per expected] nobody on earth can stay with him when he plays like that, Anderson tried bravely to do so in the early sets but even the back-to-back champion was made to look second class.

I fear [and I deliberately use the word fear because domination in any sport is not good] van Gerwen will now keep the title for some years to come he's by far the best player anywhere and until some other super-human player comes along to really consistently challenge him we're in for domination.

Does anyone think he looks like old Uncle Fester from the Addams family?.

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Old 03-01-2017, 16:34
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It was a great game last night, I know Anderson and van Gerwen broke the record for most 180s in a World Championship match (42 beating 34), but what was the other record broken? I don't think it was one relating to averages but I could be wrong.

On the subject of darts, with talkSPORT 2 developing a number of very strong sports-specific magazine shows and podcasts, do any of you think it would be worthwhile for them to launch a new darts show? There was talk of talkSPORT putting together a darts show a few years ago, I think around the turn of the decade when ITV4 used to broadcast the Grand Slam of Darts, with Chris Mason claiming to have been approached about a potential show if I remember rightly. Nowadays there is ample space in the new secondary station's schedule for such a programme, and there are plenty of potential candidates to host it from those who have covered darts and also work on talkSPORT - you have Matt Smith, Ray Stubbs, Nigel Pearson, Jim Proudfoot and Dan Dawson for a start.
Think the other record was for maximums in a championship and possibly for an individual in a match.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:11
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I think Ian Matt might have been talking about people playing tennis in this country?

Certainly there are more popular and high profile sports.

However that shouldn't take anything away from the achievements of Murray himself.

As for skill level - well its easy to say people do rely on the serve a lot now in tennis but the top professionals are very talented at all sorts of shots.

And they seem able o play for 5 hours sometime - footballers moan if they have to kick a ball for 4 hours a week!

If our footballers and cricketers (yes they have 6 good months but then seem to have a bad 6 months!) did a bit better then they might get knighthoods...
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:19
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As I have said (and been mocked for) before I found tennis to be the least physically draining sport I have played (lawn bowls excepted).
Try playing Nadal or Djokovic for six hours.
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Old 03-01-2017, 18:57
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That would be obviously even less draining as it would just involve sauntering between the Deuce court and the Advantage court after each of their serves.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:04
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:05
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:24
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Ah, the Mighty Quinn has just described Pep Guardiola as "arrogant", can there be anyone less self-aware on Earth (besides Donald Trump but that's another thread.)
My prediction for 2017, the Breakfast Show will get worse, strangely that is just about possible .. 🙁
Was unfortunate to catch 15 minutes of breakfast this morning, during which the consistently appalling Quinn excelled himself. Talking about an appearance he made on The Weakest Link, he described how he was beaten by a rapper from the Welsh group Goldie Looking Hawn! He ACTUALLY referred to them as Goldie Looking Hawn not once, but twice.

Now we know Big Al needs to surround himself with intellectual flyweights to prevent his own patchy sporting knowledge from being shown up, but surely....SURELY...the powers that be at Talk Sport towers realise that Quinn is an absolute clown who brings the 'biggest sports radio station in the world' strapline into disrepute every time he opens his mouth.

You're completely right Ven - absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever, which is probably why he fits in so well alongside Boozy.
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Old 03-01-2017, 20:38
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Was unfortunate to catch 15 minutes of breakfast this morning, during which the consistently appalling Quinn excelled himself. Talking about an appearance he made on The Weakest Link, he described how he was beaten by a rapper from the Welsh group Goldie Looking Hawn! He ACTUALLY referred to them as Goldie Looking Hawn not once, but twice.

Now we know Big Al needs to surround himself with intellectual flyweights to prevent his own patchy sporting knowledge from being shown up, but surely....SURELY...the powers that be at Talk Sport towers realise that Quinn is an absolute clown who brings the 'biggest sports radio station in the world' strapline into disrepute every time he opens his mouth.

You're completely right Ven - absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever, which is probably why he fits in so well alongside Boozy.
Was also listening around that time and on a few occasions Quinn had the nerve to tell the listeners that "Talksport doesn't encourage gambling"!
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:27
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Hm...

How do Talksport play tonight's results?

Arsenal fight back from 3-0 down whilst Big Sam loses at home to the bottom side.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:29
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Hm..
How do Talksport play tonight's results?

Arsenal fight back from 3-0 down whilst Big Sam loses at home to the bottom side.
Wenger is useless and BFS needs time.
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Old 03-01-2017, 22:43
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Good prediction - although in all fairness that is probably right - probably got a few deals lined up.

Real judgement will be after the transfer window.

Bit unfortunate he is losing Palace's most creative player for a month.

Some Palace fan just been on winding the lads up say Big Sam is rubbish/won nothing (true...) and they really got worked up calling him a plank and things.

I can see Palace turning quickly on him though if results don't come as they like attacking football...
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:17
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As I have said (and been mocked for) before I found tennis to be the least physically draining sport I have played (lawn bowls excepted).
darts snooker pool poker are not very draining sports
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:57
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Was unfortunate to catch 15 minutes of breakfast this morning, during which the consistently appalling Quinn excelled himself. Talking about an appearance he made on The Weakest Link, he described how he was beaten by a rapper from the Welsh group Goldie Looking Hawn! He ACTUALLY referred to them as Goldie Looking Hawn not once, but twice.

Now we know Big Al needs to surround himself with intellectual flyweights to prevent his own patchy sporting knowledge from being shown up, but surely....SURELY...the powers that be at Talk Sport towers realise that Quinn is an absolute clown who brings the 'biggest sports radio station in the world' strapline into disrepute every time he opens his mouth.

You're completely right Ven - absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever, which is probably why he fits in so well alongside Boozy.
Agree completely, of course the main criteria for being a presenter at talkSPORT is having the intelligence of a house brick so I would imagine Mick feels perfectly at home there alongside the rest of them stealing a living.
The weekday breakfast show is now so lifelessly bad I don't even know any longer how even the people who only listen to ridicule it can stand listening to it any longer and what I find most shockingly of all is that the people running the station amazingly still now after all this time think Alan Brazil is Britain's leading radio presenter and personality.

A complete clear-out would be insufficient to fix the problem, they would only re-employ clones of the present because the management is the root of the problem there. What's needed is a complete clear-out of the presenters, clear-out of the management, a demolition wrecking-ball and three bulldozers to raise the damn building to the ground and someone to wipe out the history and memory of the station for ever from the world-wide-web.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:02
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darts snooker pool poker are not very draining sports
Darts is, fetching pints all night from the bar while playing is draining you have to have the fitness of an Olympian athlete.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:14
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Darts is, fetching pints all night from the bar while playing is draining you have to have the fitness of an Olympian athlete.
Sounds like Big Al could get a gold medal , hes got the right build for it
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:27
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That would be obviously even less draining as it would just involve sauntering between the Deuce court and the Advantage court after each of their serves.
Yeah, so to get up to that level where you can even stand on the court with them, you have to practice for thousands and thousands of hours. You can rule out 99% of the population immediately because they will never have the hand-eye co-ordination and technical skill, no matter how much they practice. Even if you do have the technical skill, you then have to develop the fitness and endurance. Remember when Murray cramped against Nalbandian? I'm sure you've seen footballers cramping, but if you get cramp in tennis then you have basically lost. This is why tennis players would absolutely hammer footballers in a bleep test. Footballers are physically stronger generally.

Then you need incredible mental strength because tennis at the top level comes down to a few points here and there. Almost every match is close. Sometimes when you play a big server, someone like Karlovic, you might not have a break point chance for two hours, but you have to keep calm and take your opportunities when they come. Or the whole match could come down to tie-breaks. And when you're ahead, you can't just sit on your lead (similar to darts in this respect) you have to keep making the shots and winning points. If you're two sets up against Nadal or Djokovic, they don't give up, they put even more balls in court and make you beat them. Federer starts playing ultra-aggressive and puts you under massive pressure.

And unlike football, you're out there on your own (at least in the men's game, and for the women at Grand Slams). Your coach can't tell you what to do, you can't get subbed off for someone else if you're having an off-day. You can't let your head go down. You have to perform every day, otherwise you lose.

Also, you can't take advantage of weaker opponents like in football. Ronaldo will try to recognise weaker defenders and play on them. If you want to win the major titles in tennis, you have to go through the best players in the world every time. If you've been in the ATP Tour Finals over the last few years, when Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were at their peak, it's like playing against Messi and Ronaldo every day, with no respite.

It is way, way, way easier to make it in football than tennis. There is no comparison.
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:56
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Yeah, so to get up to that level where you can even stand on the court with them, you have to practice for thousands and thousands of hours. You can rule out 99% of the population immediately because they will never have the hand-eye co-ordination and technical skill, no matter how much they practice. Even if you do have the technical skill, you then have to develop the fitness and endurance. Remember when Murray cramped against Nalbandian? I'm sure you've seen footballers cramping, but if you get cramp in tennis then you have basically lost. This is why tennis players would absolutely hammer footballers in a bleep test. Footballers are physically stronger generally.

Then you need incredible mental strength because tennis at the top level comes down to a few points here and there. Almost every match is close. Sometimes when you play a big server, someone like Karlovic, you might not have a break point chance for two hours, but you have to keep calm and take your opportunities when they come. Or the whole match could come down to tie-breaks. And when you're ahead, you can't just sit on your lead (similar to darts in this respect) you have to keep making the shots and winning points. If you're two sets up against Nadal or Djokovic, they don't give up, they put even more balls in court and make you beat them. Federer starts playing ultra-aggressive and puts you under massive pressure.

And unlike football, you're out there on your own (at least in the men's game, and for the women at Grand Slams). Your coach can't tell you what to do, you can't get subbed off for someone else if you're having an off-day. You can't let your head go down. You have to perform every day, otherwise you lose.

Also, you can't take advantage of weaker opponents like in football. Ronaldo will try to recognise weaker defenders and play on them. If you want to win the major titles in tennis, you have to go through the best players in the world every time. If you've been in the ATP Tour Finals over the last few years, when Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were at their peak, it's like playing against Messi and Ronaldo every day, with no respite.

It is way, way, way easier to make it in football than tennis. There is no comparison.
Absolute nonsense, millions more people play football than Tennis, getting to the top in Tennis is getting to the top of a much smaller pool.

The skill level in football, cricket, rugby is so much higher. There isn't that much too Tennis soft ball, no contact, unless it is windy a Tennis ball doesn't do much in the air. Unlike most sports the overall standard never seems to improve over time, they shouldn't need two goes at the serve, they hit the net so often. have so many breaks in play.

That Federer and co win so often and even now in his late thirties he can go on doesn't reflect well on other players, there hasn't been huge competition.
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