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Ugh, listening to a Hoddle arse licking contest on BT Sport. I'm sure that will spread to Talksport tomorrow. Sometimes I think I grew up in an alternate reality where we won the '98 World Cup.
Anyway, Southgate is taking over the next 4 games. While I was bitter in the past about him as a manager (he got us relegated), he was a cracking player, professional and bloke and really hope this trial goes well for him even if he's not taken on permanently. |
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Be Big Sam ,ad for the next few days.
Cundy wasn't happy last night just at the idea Big Sam could be sacked... |
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Sam's been tweeting that he's having a quiet night at home tonight with some friends in his back garden reflecting on his circumstances.
>>>http://bit.ly/2dihFxX<<< |
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Be Big Sam ,ad for the next few days.
Cundy wasn't happy last night just at the idea Big Sam could be sacked... Anyway he seemed to be saying that the FA were just as much to blame by not helping Sam. Does that mean that the police are equally to blame when someone commits a criminal offence??? He was also saying that the FA getting rid of him will cause damage and implied that if we don't stop wanting to do things 'properly' then we will never win anything. Well I would much sooner see us do the right thing and win nothing rather than be the same as other questionable organizations and win something tainted. People "do the right thing" not to win trophies but just because it's the right thing to do. I feel Cundy sees winning as all important and that's sad for him, though he maybe won't realise that. For once I agreed with Goldstein |
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I was pretty annoyed with Cundys attitude on the Sports Bar following Sams departure. Not annoyed enough to phone in and give them money though.
Anyway he seemed to be saying that the FA were just as much to blame by not helping Sam. Does that mean that the police are equally to blame when someone commits a criminal offence??? He was also saying that the FA getting rid of him will cause damage and implied that if we don't stop wanting to do things 'properly' then we will never win anything. Well I would much sooner see us do the right thing and win nothing rather than be the same as other questionable organizations and win something tainted. People "do the right thing" not to win trophies but just because it's the right thing to do. I feel Cundy sees winning as all important and that's sad for him, though he maybe won't realise that. For once I agreed with Goldstein He could have attended the meeting, ill-advised though it was. He could have arranged the speaking thing in the Far East, unnecessary though it was. He could have pocketed the £400,000, greedy though it was. He could have slagged off Hodgson and Neville, immature and inappropriate though it was. All he had to do when it came to the contractual and agent bit is make it clear that this sort of thing is completely wrong and that he wouldn't support it in any way, and distanced himself from it. He would still be in a job. The reason he isn't in a job is because he's advocated completely flouting FA rules, while the England manager. Of course he's going to get sacked. |
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I was pretty annoyed with Cundys attitude on the Sports Bar following Sams departure. Not annoyed enough to phone in and give them money though.
Anyway he seemed to be saying that the FA were just as much to blame by not helping Sam. Does that mean that the police are equally to blame when someone commits a criminal offence??? He was also saying that the FA getting rid of him will cause damage and implied that if we don't stop wanting to do things 'properly' then we will never win anything. Well I would much sooner see us do the right thing and win nothing rather than be the same as other questionable organizations and win something tainted. People "do the right thing" not to win trophies but just because it's the right thing to do. I feel Cundy sees winning as all important and that's sad for him, though he maybe won't realise that. For once I agreed with Goldstein |
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Ugh, listening to a Hoddle arse licking contest on BT Sport. I'm sure that will spread to Talksport tomorrow. Sometimes I think I grew up in an alternate reality where we won the '98 World Cup.
Anyway, Southgate is taking over the next 4 games. While I was bitter in the past about him as a manager (he got us relegated), he was a cracking player, professional and bloke and really hope this trial goes well for him even if he's not taken on permanently. |
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Cundy is proving himself to be an even bigger tool on Good Morning Britain right now. A "heated" exchange with Piers Morgan. A crap player, a crap presenter, how has this idiot carved out a media career.
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Southgate - dull, safe, a solid pro, a yes man, a failure at top level management, a guaranteed failure in the job as permanent manager.
Hand him his first £3,000,000 immediately.
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Yes like you say safe, a solid pro, a yes man, a failure at top level management, he also says the right things and most importantly of all likes to wear blazers with badges on them.
Hand him his first £3,000,000 immediately. ![]()
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Why do the Talksport bookies have West Ham as 2nd favourites for a team Big Sam could return to!?
Their fans wanted him out from day one.. Also Swansea were the favourites - a team that demand they play a certain way which is very different to Allardyce methods| and preferred style to play. Of course both teams still have managers anyway... |
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Yes like you say safe, a solid pro, a yes man, a failure at top level management, he also says the right things and most importantly of all likes to wear blazers with badges on them.
Hand him his first £3,000,000 immediately. ![]() He was a top player not only for England but all the clubs he played for (captaining most of them). He also knows most of the current crop of players about, most of them have passed through his hands for the under 19s & under 21s. If he likes to wear a blazer with a badge on then fair enough, we can't afford any more scandals. |
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Emm ..... not suprised to hear the word "entrapment" flow from Allardyce's lips. For goodness sake Sam take responsibility.
Brazil used the entrapment word this morning, his efforts on blaming the reporters fell on deaf ears all round. |
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Cundy at it again. He's saying that Sam should still be England manager and blames FA for not "protecting" Allardyce. He says it doesn't matter what they do as long as they win.
This ties up with his statement that diving is not cheating and should be applauded. What a doughnut, even Steve Allen on LBC commented on him as Lizzie Cundy's ex being an idiot. Alan Brazil trying every which way to find an excuse for Allardyce, " he was helping out an old pal down on his luck", " it was entrapment", "it was his agents fault, he should be shot" (later Alan apologised for saying shot) etc etc etc. Because Allardyce is "a friend of the station" and 95% of the staff there actively supported Allardyce's appointment they don't wish to look foolish and so are trying to spread the blame. If Allardyce was innocent why did he so readily agree to leave and not fight it????? |
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It wasn't the big issue of the sting but Big Sam did have a pop at the FA themselves over Wembley and picking certain players (although I seem to remember he himself picked Joe Hart in goal!)
Plus talked about the way Roy Hodgson spoke due to his speech impediment. Minor factors maybe but certainly won't have helped his cause.. As Clayton says Big Sam hardly put up much of a defence... |
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I am convinced that Saggers is more interested in the politics of football than the actual game itself.
Many of times after a report of an on-going game especially when a great goal has been scored, Saggers would dismiss it totally and go back to his boring discussion about grass-roots football! |
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You get a lot of PR and fluff in these situations. But I heard the chairman of the FA, Greg Clarke, say the following on 5Live: Quote:
We didn't sack him. We agreed that his position was untenable and he left by mutual consent. We had a very good conversation with him. It wasn't one of those difficult conversations where he denied everything. He came along and recognised the problems that he'd created, took it on his own shoulders and discussed it in a mature fashion. And when we said "well, this is probably not going to work, Sam", he said: "I agree. We need to move on from this, both of us".
I've heard nothing from Allardyce to challenge this, indeed he just said outside his house that "the agreement was done very amicably with the FA". So if he can accept that his position was untenable, why can't certain broadcasters?Imagine if he'd stayed in the job, can you imagine what the next England game would have been like? Imagine the first press conference, would anyone even bother to talk about the game? From then on everything he did would be suspect and he'd be constantly under the microscope. There was no other possible course of action. |
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Didn't listen to anything last night but there were a couple of clowns who called in the night the news broke on the Two Mikes' show... one to say "don't you think he should be judged on results on the pitch?" (totally missing the point) and a text/tweet to say "you're making a big deal out of this, it will all blow over".
Even now, some people don't understand what he has done wrong. Fools. Brazil once again this morning was an embarrassing listen. |
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Emm ..... not suprised to hear the word "entrapment" flow from Allardyce's lips. For goodness sake Sam take responsibility.
Brazil used the entrapment word this morning, his efforts on blaming the reporters fell on deaf ears all round. Underwhelmed by the prospect of Southgate, Bruce, Pardew, Hoddle, Howe, Klinsmann, Redknapp, Mancini, Hiddink, Neville, Dyche, Bilic, Blanc, Benitez, Pellegrini, van Gaal, Shearer, Ranieri, Moyes, Rodgers, Pulis, Curbishley or Beckham getting the job but frankly admit I don't think even Jesus Christ could be successful at that job. |
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The Alan Brazil show this morning was embarrassing. Following on from his poor comments and what he said on the morning Arnold Palmer passed away, this was another triumph in poor broadcasting.
The under current of "Sam had been hard done by" even though all of this was of his own making is pathetic to hear. Jason Cundy doing the same. And apparently there is more to come...lets see if there are any big names actually reported from the list in the DT today. Or is Sam a scapegoat to have a bit of a story but others get lost in the shuffle....will be interesting to see. Does anyone know when this meeting with Sam took place BTW....?? |
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Cundy at it again. He's saying that Sam should still be England manager and blames FA for not "protecting" Allardyce. He says it doesn't matter what they do as long as they win.
This ties up with his statement that diving is not cheating and should be applauded. What a doughnut, even Steve Allen on LBC commented on him as Lizzie Cundy's ex being an idiot. Alan Brazil trying every which way to find an excuse for Allardyce, " he was helping out an old pal down on his luck", " it was entrapment", "it was his agents fault, he should be shot" (later Alan apologised for saying shot) etc etc etc. Because Allardyce is "a friend of the station" and 95% of the staff there actively supported Allardyce's appointment they don't wish to look foolish and so are trying to spread the blame. If Allardyce was innocent why did he so readily agree to leave and not fight it????? Alan was in a right awkward corner this morning, so obviously wanting to defend his good friend Sam but having nowhere to take it because even he knows it's 100% Big Sam's own fault and nobody else's. |
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Does anyone know when this meeting with Sam took place BTW....??
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...dyce-for-sale/ "Before he had even held his first training session as England’s new head coach". |
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I know this is kicking a bloke when he is down Ven [if you can call it "down" when you will have walked off with a few million quid for 67 days work] but what a load of garbage that was from Allardyce this morning when he made that short press release outside his house. "I was helping an old friend of 30 years out" for god's sake Sam we all know what you were doing mate you were helping yourself out to £400,000 on the sly.
Underwhelmed by the prospect of Southgate, Bruce, Pardew, Hoddle, Howe, Klinsmann, Redknapp, Mancini, Hiddink, Neville, Dyche, Bilic, Blanc, Benitez, Pellegrini, van Gaal, Shearer, Ranieri, Moyes, Rodgers, Pulis, Curbishley or Beckham getting the job but frankly admit I don't think even Jesus Christ could be successful at that job. Seven (7) people could job share, each person taking a separate day of the week. My picks: Sunday: Batman Monday: Robin Tuesday: Del Boy Wednesday: Rodney Thursday: Brad Pitt Friday: Billy244 Saturday: Venetian Could they do a worse job than what has gone before ? A little less flippantly, don't think Sam will be walking away with millions. He will probably be paid for the 67 days he has worked plus a small ex gratia payment? Wouldn't think the FA dare pay him off with the millions like they paid to Sven and Capello? |
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Cundy at it again. He's saying that Sam should still be England manager and blames FA for not "protecting" Allardyce. He says it doesn't matter what they do as long as they win.
This ties up with his statement that diving is not cheating and should be applauded. What a doughnut, even Steve Allen on LBC commented on him as Lizzie Cundy's ex being an idiot. Alan Brazil trying every which way to find an excuse for Allardyce, " he was helping out an old pal down on his luck", " it was entrapment", "it was his agents fault, he should be shot" (later Alan apologised for saying shot) etc etc etc. Because Allardyce is "a friend of the station" and 95% of the staff there actively supported Allardyce's appointment they don't wish to look foolish and so are trying to spread the blame. If Allardyce was innocent why did he so readily agree to leave and not fight it?????
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