He's absolutely right, and it's good to see a housemate express the same opinion I do, but you have to ask yourself who he's talking to.

I agree with most things Andy says and it's rare that he doesn't hold an opinion which I don't. But I haven't made the mistake of thinking that he's any less guilty than the people he's accusing in moments like this.
He's always talking to the viewers and trying to set himself apart from the others as a means to sell himself to the viewers.

When next chatting to a HM he should do the Robert De Niro

"you Talkin To Me" lol

I agree with you. I used to dislike Andy more in the first couple of weeks, but I admit that I do find it interesting to watch his duality. And I definitely think he deserves to be in the final from a viewer's perspective.
I actually agree with most of his opinions in there and he can put them across in quite an eloquent and articulate way. He's an interesting watch for me.

I don't want to run him down too much because there have been some horrible BB housemates, even in this series, but I think with Andy is that he has some form of cognitive dissonance going on much of the time, which is probably the main reason why I find him to be an interesting housemate.
I definitely think he's a snob, but I think that he thinks that he's a really nice person. Don't get me wrong I think that he often is, but at the same time there appears to be a lack of self-awareness at times.
I think he's one of these very politically correct 'Liberals' who believe that they are always right because they hold the 'right' opinions, and always think that they're fair and just, but they somehow manage to exclude themselves when it comes to judging people.
I don't think he truly questions his own beliefs and probably never reassesses them. He seems to hold people to certain standards, but doesn't appear to think about whether he himself upholds those same standards. I think he sees other people as different to him and lower. They have to live up to his lofty standards but he doesn't have to do a thing for them. He probably thinks that he's not necessarily better than them, but that they are most definitely lower than him.

I don't want it to come across as though I hate him or anything because I really don't. I think he's a very interesting housemate who deserves to be in the final, and I think I'd be quite happy for him if he won the series.
It's just that I am judging him from the same lofty perch from which he judges other housemates, which means that I'm applying the same standards that Andy does, so I'm sure that he would agree that this is the correct way.

What he said in the diary room I agree with completely with. Absolutely. A great assessment of other housemates. But again, he makes it appear as if he's not like that, when he is.
But by the same token he'd have to accept that other housemates were within their rights to be critical of him which they did directly to him and not in the safety of the diary room. They had just cause to judge him in the way that they did on some occasions.
I think that Andy is just as narcissistic as other housemates, if not more so in some cases. But I don't think he could possibly acknowledge that. In his world he is not up for scrutiny. It's only other housemates who have failings.

You've just described Andy perfectly. I'd be happy with his winning too; but it would be handy if someone could read this out to him at his interview

Good and interesting post Alrightmate.

The problem is that MOST of us feel this dichotomy from either direction - 'I'm nice even though I bloody HATE that barsteward for saying something I don't like, even though he might have a point, I'm not listening' because he's a snob etc.

And - 'we are all the same as people, we are all valuable, but my God the celebration of ignorance, the obsession with looks and her going on about her tits all the time etc. drives me bananas'.

We all want to feel we are nice people and we all judge from our own values.

Andy STRIVES to be egalitarian and non judgemental, and fails. But he does actually try.

I also think he is increasingly aware of the dichotomy and has learned a bit about himself.

But it's sort of insurmountable for most of us. With age you get a bit more tolerant and understanding, perhaps, but it doesn't stop me, for example, despising some of the housemates. And when I try to be more understanding, it comes across as patronising even to me, when I'm just THINKING about it.

It's a state most of us live with.

It comes across as 'narcissistic' perhaps because we ALL want to think that what we think is correct - it's why we think it in the first place.

There are consistent saints and cynics out there as well though, I suppose.

That's different from obsession with physical appearance to an extreme degree.

I find Andy's efforts laudable. I find his irritation, understandable. He's seriously not perfect but he is very interesting, especially for BB.

I think Andy has sussed the most important thing he could do in the last few days - to find some kind of peace with his situation. The difference in him has been incredible. He's been liberated from the worst of his angst and resentment, accepted he has no control or influence, and just relaxed. He's enjoyed his fellow HMs (as much as he can) and they've enjoyed him (as much as they can). It's been great to see.

It's been very up and down for me watching him, and he hasn't always made it easy for me or himself, and I've given him all the stick I believe he deserved along the way, but he's been a good value HM and I think he'd be the most interesting winner the show has had in quite some time.

Thanks. Yours is a good post, which is probably like a kinder version of my own.
The only difference being is that you appear to believe that Andy is more self-reflective than I do.

Andy also serves a cautionary tale of the hypocrite. He's good to serve as a barometer for our own self-righteousness and whether we are able to question ourselves when we think we're always right.
I think his lowest point was probably just after his fiance entered the house, and just after many people thought he was all right after all he suddenly reverted back to being a complete snob again. That's why I don't think he's really learned anything about himself in terms of looking inwards.
I know that I'm starting to veer towards being harsh about him again so I'll need to add the disclaimer once more that I don't think he's that bad.

You also make a good point that wherever the discussion about Andy is concerned I don't think I ever recall it debasing itself to being about his appearance. Apart from of course the thread about which celebrity Andy looks like. At least it's always about how he acts or his character.

I actually think he's going to win the show. And I'm perfectly content with that.
He's been different enough, non-conformist enough, he's offered thoughts up which are worthy of discussion in their own right, and if he wasn't there even more housemates would appear to be too much of the same thing where they all think, act and speak in the same ways.
The way I'm describing him almost makes me look as though I'm a fan, but the truth is that I aren't that keen on him as a person most of the time, and may like one or two others a little bit more as people. Not that I'm particularly a fan of any of them. I think those days are probably gone for me.

I do have to concede that when Andy says things which come across as arrogant or conceited about other housemates, I think it would be very difficult for me to not think the same way as he does if I was in there. Maybe the reality is simple, we're not all equal, even if people like Andy probably try to hold onto political beliefs which insist that we are, which contradict his personal feelings, and which occasionally slip out.
Maybe being a snob is something that most of us struggle not to be but at times we just are and can't help it.

I recognise what you're saying about your own tolerance being misconstrued as being patronising. That's definitely happened to me before on more than one occasion. Often it's other people's perception of you which is at fault. And on those occasions I suppose it's okay to call a spade a spade and recognise them for the idiot they're being. Like you say, at least Andy tries, which is more than can be said for most of these housemates who don't even think they have to bother at all.

He's doing exactly the same thing.

Does he think that when he goes into the DR & spouts his theories, that it's not going to be shown to us?

Andy thinks he's clever & whilst I agree he is not stupid, he isn't quite as clever as he thinks he is.

Well like we all keep saying he is intelligent and as such the irony cannot have been missed by him as it isn't by us but I don't think it is actually ironic as I think he is performing a role, giving us valuable insights and or confirming our own views but it is being done out in the open IE he is clearly speaking to us and to the degree it doesn't have to be stated. You can like him for his views or not but I don't think there is any mystery here or manipularions as it is too clear cut. The others however are doing it supposedly surreptitiously and in a more manipulative manner I suppose which is the point.

Well he's getting airtime every single nite, to me that's clever

No he did not ...he was sending himself up.

Look up the word Irony.

But he's the most guilty of this (along with Jackson). On last night's show, Andy said to Jason that he has no influence in the house. He said this to Jason AND the voting public because HE knows that WE know he's been influencing the other housemates to nominate his 'friend' Jason. He's up for eviction and doesn't want to be judged for what he's done to his 'friend'.

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well done I given you a gold ⭐ for the most imaginative post yet

Have you ever thought of writing fiction for a living, clearly you've got talent ☺

My goodness what has he done to his friend?...did I miss something.

Spot on. He's the MOST guilty. From the start, he's been going into the DR telling us what other housemates are thinking (without mentioning names) when he should be telling us what HE'S thinking about certain housemates. He doesn't give names because he wants to smear everyone with the same brush without losing the support/sympathy of the supporters of certain housemates.

Quite the opposite, he knows it's the best way to be shown. He's been using the Aaron playbook since day 1.

What I find amusing is he's not being pulled up on here for his entitlement ...Guess that criticism is saved for female hms....

I said "he's been influencing the other housemates to nominate his 'friend' Jason." And HE would have nominated his 'friend' if he hadn't just been called a "snake" for turning housemates against Jason in the 'News' task.

Can you actually give one example of Andy influencing other housemates to nominate Jason ?

The "snake" you quoted is wrong, he was accused of backstabbing in red top headline, which was OTT and had no substance. If you actually read the story it was a normal convo between Alex & Andy why Jason was feeling down and angry at that moment.

Clever lad as far as BB goes. Victor BB5 used to say similar things that Andy does now.

I think you'd rather rewrite the actual reality rather than admit that your original opinions could be wrong.

When Janyne nominated Jason, she said "someone said," then repeated something which Andy had said to her. No one would LIKE getting booed, but Andy's been going around telling the others that Jason is playing a game BECAUSE he didn't like getting booed.

And the word "snake" was used in the tweet about Andy.

Can't say I've noticed Andy doing this. I have seen Jason do it. With Charlie and Jayne.

I think you have a overactive imagination.

I enjoyed reading both your posts and I agree with your assessment of Andy. Personally, he is one of the housemates I would not like to win though. Not because I dislike him as a person, but this aspect where he sees others as not as good as himself is one thing that bugs me more than anything in a person. I just can't abide it. I think Andy is happier and more comfortable in the house now, but I don't feel as though he has learned a great deal about himself.

I don't agree with this paragraph though. Of course everyone is not equal in most ways. But you either believe deep in yourself that every person has the same inner value no matter who they are, what they do or where they come from and you treat people as such naturally because you believe it... or, you don't believe this so you don't really have this as a belief, like Andy.

There are a million ways to analyse other people without judging them, but that is not what Andy does.

I also want to add that I too think Andy is a nice person. But I really would not be happy to see him win and I think it would feed into the most negative aspects of his character as well. But it may well happen, and there could be worse winners, for certain!

So let''s get this straight.
Your reply to my comment has nothing to do with what I said. Your talking about their entertainment value. Obviously, the more they have contributed to the show the more they have been a good housemate, however many nominations they have or haven't got.
But the fact that someone have been nominated more than anyone else (as Andy said) does not automatically them more deserving than them.