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John Barrowman in talks to bring ‘Torchwood’ back to TV
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Shawn_Lunn
23-07-2016
Whether or not he succeeds is the other thing .....

http://zap2it.com/2016/07/john-barro...od-back-to-tv/
little-monster
23-07-2016
I hope so. I loved Torchwood. I would hate for it to be left with that dreadful fourth season. In my mind, the show ended with Season 3. Getting the Americans involved really ruined the show for me. Starz didn't have a clue.

That's nice that the arrow producers have said they will allow him time off to do it.
Lord Smexy
23-07-2016
Just cut down on the needlessly excessive "adult" content, tell stories that are actually mature and thrilling, and have character interactions that involve something other than "I hate this character" or "I want to shag this character".

Basically just do what Children of Earth did.
Marti S
23-07-2016
If they do bring it back, please dont bring the whinny woman back
nattoyaki
23-07-2016
I don't think many would give it a chance after Miracle Day...
Mulett
23-07-2016
My only worry is that the current team will want the BBC to focus on Class and block it coming back. Personally I'd love to see it return.

Oh, the golden years of Who . . a new season each spring, two spin off shows . . . .
david_Robinson
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“Just cut down on the needlessly excessive "adult" content, tell stories that are actually mature and thrilling, and have character interactions that involve something other than "I hate this character" or "I want to shag this character".

Basically just do what Children of Earth did.”

The one thing I hated about Series 4 was that it just didn't feel like Torchwood

There were no Aliens
No Torchwood Hub (Which blew up in Series 3)
It felt too American
The plot was also spread over 10 episodes, when it should have been 5
We had a whole episode with them on a plane
2 episodes in the camps
That flashback episode with Jack
2 episodes where they think some Company is behind everything and try to prove it..
It was just all over the place...
performingmonk
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by david_Robinson:
“The one thing I hated about Series 4 was that it just didn't feel like Torchwood

There were no Aliens
No Torchwood Hub (Which blew up in Series 3)
It felt too American
The plot was also spread over 10 episodes, when it should have been 5
We had a whole episode with them on a plane
2 episodes in the camps
That flashback episode with Jack
2 episodes where they think some Company is behind everything and try to prove it..
It was just all over the place...”

I actually think that Jack episode was the best thing about the whole series. Though it still wasn't enough to save Miracle Day... I would love to see it edited down to 5 or 6 episodes.

Getting Netflix of Amazon involved with a new series, possibly as a co-production with the BBC, would be awesome.
Lord Smexy
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by david_Robinson:
“The one thing I hated about Series 4 was that it just didn't feel like Torchwood

There were no Aliens
No Torchwood Hub (Which blew up in Series 3)
It felt too American
The plot was also spread over 10 episodes, when it should have been 5
We had a whole episode with them on a plane
2 episodes in the camps
That flashback episode with Jack
2 episodes where they think some Company is behind everything and try to prove it..
It was just all over the place...”

It wasn't great, but personally I'd take it over those first two seasons of Torchwood any day. The aliens were rarely ever very exciting anyway (horny gas and a "sexy" Cyberwoman).

It was a shame, because it was a fun concept with a lot of potential, and they could have hit gold and followed up with another Children of Earth-quality series... but it's like they couldn't decide between making another CoE and making an American crime show.
daveyboy7472
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by david_Robinson:
“The one thing I hated about Series 4 was that it just didn't feel like Torchwood

There were no Aliens
No Torchwood Hub (Which blew up in Series 3)
It felt too American
The plot was also spread over 10 episodes, when it should have been 5
We had a whole episode with them on a plane
2 episodes in the camps
That flashback episode with Jack
2 episodes where they think some Company is behind everything and try to prove it..
It was just all over the place...”

I agree with a lot of this.

The Series went too far away from the original two, which I prefer but COE was good itself in a way.

Jack as the leading character was underused in a lot of episodes and I think dragging one story out over ten episodes was a big mistake. I think the new format could have worked had there been a different story every week or even there were five 2-parters.

I felt very alienated watching it at times and I hope if it comes back they will dump the American setting and get it back where it belongs.

Abomination
23-07-2016
I think part of the problem is that it became the very thing it was mocking to start with. Between the tactless sex aliens and poorly conceived cyberwomen, the first series still managed to have quite a bit of fun and was really rather good in places (I really like some of the episodes). The sweeping shots of Cardiff were a tongue-in-cheek nod to identikit US crime shows. But by Miracle Day the show was an alien-free serial drama set predominantly in Los Angeles. It became the very thing it had once pointed and laughed at, and worse still it did so after it had amounted to something quite special (namely Children of Earth).

After so much time it's hard to see the relevance of Torchwood any more. It really was a product of its time, and the Doctor Who universe now gets on very well without Torchwood at all. That's not to deny the chance at getting more Who-related stuff if we can, but it's hard to imagine where Torchwood would fit now. Then again Chris Chibnall's role with Doctor Who now might make it all a bit more feasible, given his former role with Torchwood.
Lyceum
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I hope so. I loved Torchwood. I would hate for it to be left with that dreadful fourth season. In my mind, the show ended with Season 3. Getting the Americans involved really ruined the show for me. Starz didn't have a clue.

That's nice that the arrow producers have said they will allow him time off to do it.”

I was going to say exactly this.

Children of Earth is one of my favourite series of TV ever. I've still not forgiven Jack for sacrificing his own grandson!

I'd hate for Torchwoods last series to be the abysmal miracle day. It went from the sublime to the ridiculous in one series.

I'd love to have it back.
doctor blue box
23-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“My only worry is that the current team will want the BBC to focus on Class and block it coming back. Personally I'd love to see it return.

Oh, the golden years of Who . . a new season each spring, two spin off shows . . . .”

I think if they brought it back properly, as in set in wales, quietly forget about the 2 boring American characters (or even better, quietly forget about anything that happened in miracle day altogether) and having it helmed by RTD, then it could potentially blow 'class' out of the water.

It would be nice to see it get at least a decent, wales based special or two, just so that it's last outing is something better than miracle day.

I love how dedicated Barrowman is to the character. Since his last stint on who and the end of Torchwood, he seems to have almost constantly been saying how he wants to reprise the role. Would be nice if they'd let him in some form whether it be Torchwood or just a decent sized who appearance.
Sam_Gee1
23-07-2016
I hope he manages to convince them, it'd be great to have Torchwood back.

But can't disagree on Miracle Day, that was all over the place apart from quality which was low. And i hope very much if it does come back, that potential story line from Miracle Day we see at the end, never comes to fruition.

But nevertheless its a very good show on its day, and i want it back.
andy1231
24-07-2016
I hope Torchwood does return, but please no American involvement. There are still plenty of stories to be told set in the UK. I would not base it entirely in Wales but have the (new) team investigating problems all over. They could start easily enough by having Jack digging in the ruins of the Hub for some piece of Alien tech that is needed or is a danger and start from there. The main problem for me with Miracle Day was the awful concept of some sort of life form living right through the centre of the Earth, almost as bad as the Moon being an egg ! .They could even bring back ianto in the form of a holograph, bit like the Doctor in Voyager. But no more American involvement !
Theophile
24-07-2016
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“I hope Torchwood does return, but please no American involvement. There are still plenty of stories to be told set in the UK. I would not base it entirely in Wales but have the (new) team investigating problems all over. They could start easily enough by having Jack digging in the ruins of the Hub for some piece of Alien tech that is needed or is a danger and start from there. The main problem for me with Miracle Day was the awful concept of some sort of life form living right through the centre of the Earth, almost as bad as the Moon being an egg ! .They could even bring back ianto in the form of a holograph, bit like the Doctor in Voyager. But no more American involvement !”

I am American and I can't agree with you enough about no more American involvement. LOL!

The Doctor is British; keep him that way.
mossy2103
24-07-2016
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“I hope Torchwood does return, but please no American involvement. There are still plenty of stories to be told set in the UK. I would not base it entirely in Wales but have the (new) team investigating problems all over. They could start easily enough by having Jack digging in the ruins of the Hub for some piece of Alien tech that is needed or is a danger and start from there. The main problem for me with Miracle Day was the awful concept of some sort of life form living right through the centre of the Earth, almost as bad as the Moon being an egg ! .They could even bring back ianto in the form of a holograph, bit like the Doctor in Voyager. But no more American involvement !”

It could also be set before S3 (so Ianto was still alive), or even before s2 (so that Owen & Tosh were still alive, assuming that the actors could be persuaded to return).
bennythedip
24-07-2016
Doctor who would have ended up like miracle day if the Mcgann series had happened. Torchwood is dead, the BBC have moved on.
andy1231
24-07-2016
Originally Posted by bennythedip:
“Doctor who would have ended up like miracle day if the Mcgann series had happened. Torchwood is dead, the BBC have moved on.”

That's what they said in 1989 about a certain series that made a tremendous comeback in 2005
Lord Smexy
24-07-2016
Originally Posted by andy1231:
“That's what they said in 1989 about a certain series that made a tremendous comeback in 2005”

Torchwood never quite had the pop culture status or the fanbase that the original Doctor Who run did, and I don't think it's nearly as missed as DW was.

I'd rather see them try a spin-off with new and more interesting ideas than flog a show that, in my opinion, had its time and failed to impress. There are so many things you could try out with a world as big as the Whoniverse that it'd be a shame otherwise.
Jedi_Knight
25-07-2016
It's up to Russell T Davies as to when or if Torchwood comes back as a TV Series, not John Barrowman.
rionia
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“Torchwood never quite had the pop culture status or the fanbase that the original Doctor Who run did, and I don't think it's nearly as missed as DW was.

I'd rather see them try a spin-off with new and more interesting ideas than flog a show that, in my opinion, had its time and failed to impress. There are so many things you could try out with a world as big as the Whoniverse that it'd be a shame otherwise.”

I think there is a distinct Torchwood fanbase worldwide, a lot of whom have no interest in DW at all.

Thats not to say there isn't some crossover between the fandoms, but it would be wrong to dismiss TW popularity as a stand alone series.
GDK
25-07-2016
Does anyone know what RTD's attitude to reviving Torchwood is? Surely it would be off the table if he was not involved in some way, or at least gave it his blessing.

I thought the first two seasons were interesting, but far from "adult". Sprinkling in a bit of immature juvenile sex did not turn it into an adult drama.

Then came season 3, Children of Earth. That was one of the best dramas I've ever seen on British TV.

Then came season fo.... no, wait. That didn't happen.
Sam_Gee1
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by GDK:
“Does anyone know what RTD's attitude to reviving Torchwood is? Surely it would be off the table if he was not involved in some way, or at least gave it his blessing.

I thought the first two seasons were interesting, but far from "adult". Sprinkling in a bit of immature juvenile sex did not turn it into an adult drama.

Then came season 3, Children of Earth. That was one of the best dramas I've ever seen on British TV.

Then came season fo.... no, wait. That didn't happen.”

What is RTD working on right now?
johnnysaucepn
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“I think part of the problem is that it became the very thing it was mocking to start with. Between the tactless sex aliens and poorly conceived cyberwomen, the first series still managed to have quite a bit of fun and was really rather good in places (I really like some of the episodes). The sweeping shots of Cardiff were a tongue-in-cheek nod to identikit US crime shows.”

This may be an eye-of-the-beholder thing - I always got the impression that those sorts of elements weren't mocking US crime procedurals, but aping them. That RTD wasn't trying to hold a lamp up to the visual language of those series, but to actively make one of them.
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