Didn't get that bit. Was it from the conversation he was having with Alex who was being just as bitchy? Alex even voted for him. I couldn't believe it.
Jackson's bitchiest comment
While Jackson's generally been a bit of sly little bitch, the housemates all seemed to be focusing on one specific case of his bitchiness. Anyone know what that one specific instance was?
I took it as being when he was on the bed talking to Laura about Abdy & Jason (I think the garden clip was supposed to be Alex's clip)
Was hoping someone could throw some light on this as I didn't have a clue what the bitching was! Yes I could see Alex 's comments about Evelyn for what they were, but not Jacko's.
Anyone?
Anyone?
I liked the way Alex called Jackson on that... even though they are BFs in the house. I do think Alex has unwavering loyalties to his buddies and wouldn't bitch about them. Alex went up in my estimation. I think Jason, Andy and Alex the loyalist folks in the house.
What I thought was telling was how Alex and Jackson both nommed Andy as most deserving housemate. I saw this as quite tactical. They heard Andy get very little crowd reaction during the eviction, they will assume he is unpopular therefore unlikely to win. They have both had cheers and assume themselves to be in with a chance. If they gave their 'most deserving' housemate award to each other they would see it as compounding each other's 'most deserving winner' status and sway more votes to their BF.
I like Jackson but I do feel he is the most disingenuous in the house at times.... however it is a game-show and he played the game well for a while.
What I thought was telling was how Alex and Jackson both nommed Andy as most deserving housemate. I saw this as quite tactical. They heard Andy get very little crowd reaction during the eviction, they will assume he is unpopular therefore unlikely to win. They have both had cheers and assume themselves to be in with a chance. If they gave their 'most deserving' housemate award to each other they would see it as compounding each other's 'most deserving winner' status and sway more votes to their BF.
I like Jackson but I do feel he is the most disingenuous in the house at times.... however it is a game-show and he played the game well for a while.
Originally Posted by PaleHorse:
“While Jackson's generally been a bit of sly little bitch, the housemates all seemed to be focusing on one specific case of his bitchiness. Anyone know what that one specific instance was?”
“While Jackson's generally been a bit of sly little bitch, the housemates all seemed to be focusing on one specific case of his bitchiness. Anyone know what that one specific instance was?”
If my memory serves me right, It was when Jackson was bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn.....not long after the rich poor task.
I saw it as Jackson trying to manipulate Laura and Evelyn to nominate Jason and Andy rather than himself.
He came up with various reasons why Jason was being sly and a gameplayer, including......he does all the cooking, all the washing up, was never horrible to Charlie, even though he had good reason to be.
He then brought Andy into the conversation saying he didn't trust him.
Basically, imo, Jackson has been sly, manipulative, sneaky and a hypocrite from day 1.
If you watch the clip when they show that conversation in the bedroom, his face changes from smiling and laughing, to that of a rabbit caught in the headlights.......rumbled!
Originally Posted by Bambywamby:
“I liked the way Alex called Jackson on that... even though they are BFs in the house.”
“I liked the way Alex called Jackson on that... even though they are BFs in the house.”
I think Alex did this because it is an easy option. He and Jackson are mates so he knows he can say this and it is fine as Jackson knows they're mates. If Alex had picked someone else as being bitchy he would have had to express an opinion that he genuinely was criticising someone. Same way Alex picked Jackson for least deserving to win. Jackson then did the same thing in turn - 'cause it is easy (though I wonder whether he'd written something different and decided to do this when Alex did it for him?)
I thought the conversation with Evelyn and Laura was around the time Jason took the 20K. Jackson did back off Jason (and Andy kind of by default) at the time after Jason evicted Lateysha.
To the above comment, I thought there were no nominations that week. Andy was immune and the rest of the house was up?
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“I think Alex did this because it is an easy option. He and Jackson are mates so he knows he can say this and it is fine as Jackson knows they're mates. If Alex had picked someone else as being bitchy he would have had to express an opinion that he genuinely was criticising someone. Same way Alex picked Jackson for least deserving to win. Jackson then did the same thing in turn - 'cause it is easy (though I wonder whether he'd written something different and decided to do this when Alex did it for him?)
I thought the conversation with Evelyn and Laura was around the time Jason took the 20K. Jackson did back off Jason (and Andy kind of by default) at the time after Jason evicted Lateysha.
To the above comment, I thought there were no nominations that week. Andy was immune and the rest of the house was up?”
“I think Alex did this because it is an easy option. He and Jackson are mates so he knows he can say this and it is fine as Jackson knows they're mates. If Alex had picked someone else as being bitchy he would have had to express an opinion that he genuinely was criticising someone. Same way Alex picked Jackson for least deserving to win. Jackson then did the same thing in turn - 'cause it is easy (though I wonder whether he'd written something different and decided to do this when Alex did it for him?)
I thought the conversation with Evelyn and Laura was around the time Jason took the 20K. Jackson did back off Jason (and Andy kind of by default) at the time after Jason evicted Lateysha.
To the above comment, I thought there were no nominations that week. Andy was immune and the rest of the house was up?”
No it was much later. In fact it could have been just a few days ago.
It was certainly after Ryan was evicted.
Jackson just chose to start bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn. I think he thought he was revealing secret knowledge to them and therefore they'd feel privileged to be allowed into his world. But it blew up in his face because it just revealed to Evelyn what he is like and she told him in front of Jason what she thought of it.
I'm not sure if Jackson technically called Jason a gameplayer by virtue of using the actual word, but his entire conversation to them on the bed was saying exactly that in every other thing he said.
It's amazing what mental contortions housemates use nowadays to target other housemates as gameplayers. It used to be the case that what Jackson on the bed was doing with Laura and Evelyn would be described as gameplaying, but now a housemate such as Jason NOT bitching about people is considered to be gameplaying.
Quite incredible.
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“If my memory serves me right, It was when Jackson was bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn.....not long after the rich poor task.
I saw it as Jackson trying to manipulate Laura and Evelyn to nominate Jason and Andy rather than himself.
He came up with various reasons why Jason was being sly and a gameplayer, including......he does all the cooking, all the washing up, was never horrible to Charlie, even though he had good reason to be.
He then brought Andy into the conversation saying he didn't trust him.
Basically, imo, Jackson has been sly, manipulative, sneaky and a hypocrite from day 1.
If you watch the clip when they show that conversation in the bedroom, his face changes from smiling and laughing, to that of a rabbit caught in the headlights.......rumbled!”
“If my memory serves me right, It was when Jackson was bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn.....not long after the rich poor task.
I saw it as Jackson trying to manipulate Laura and Evelyn to nominate Jason and Andy rather than himself.
He came up with various reasons why Jason was being sly and a gameplayer, including......he does all the cooking, all the washing up, was never horrible to Charlie, even though he had good reason to be.
He then brought Andy into the conversation saying he didn't trust him.
Basically, imo, Jackson has been sly, manipulative, sneaky and a hypocrite from day 1.
If you watch the clip when they show that conversation in the bedroom, his face changes from smiling and laughing, to that of a rabbit caught in the headlights.......rumbled!”
Yes this is what happened.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“No it was much later. In fact it could have been just a few days ago.
It was certainly after Ryan was evicted.
Jackson just chose to start bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn. I think he thought he was allowing them into his world and they'd feel grateful. But it blew up in his face because it just revealed to Evelyn what he is like and she told him in front of Jason what she thought of it.
I'm not sure if Jackson technically called Jason a gameplayer by virtue of using the actual word, but his entire conversation to them on the bed was saying exactly that in every other thing he said.”
“No it was much later. In fact it could have been just a few days ago.
It was certainly after Ryan was evicted.
Jackson just chose to start bitching about Jason to Laura and Evelyn. I think he thought he was allowing them into his world and they'd feel grateful. But it blew up in his face because it just revealed to Evelyn what he is like and she told him in front of Jason what she thought of it.
I'm not sure if Jackson technically called Jason a gameplayer by virtue of using the actual word, but his entire conversation to them on the bed was saying exactly that in every other thing he said.”
Yes it was after Jason nominated Latasha for eviction he was stunned by this and wasn't sure of anyone.Sadly went back to original friends who were both nominating him. He wasn't sure who to trust. But he didn't argue the toss he put his hands up and wrote his own name on the card.
He also voted for himself as having done that he agreed it was wrong
Jackson also claimed that he cleared it up with Jason when they fell out.
No, it wasn't THAT which he cleared up. He cleared up the situation where he again tried to play Jason by accusing him of being potentially violent and scared of what Jason might do to somebody in the house (Like he did to Chelsea when the opportunity arose).
This bitching about Jason on the bed appeared to come as news to Jason.
No, it wasn't THAT which he cleared up. He cleared up the situation where he again tried to play Jason by accusing him of being potentially violent and scared of what Jason might do to somebody in the house (Like he did to Chelsea when the opportunity arose).
This bitching about Jason on the bed appeared to come as news to Jason.
Originally Posted by Annabel la:
“Yes it was after Jason nominated Latasha for eviction he was stunned by this and wasn't sure of anyone.Sadly went back to original friends who were both nominating him. He wasn't sure who to trust. But he didn't argue the toss he put his hands up and wrote his own name on the card.
He also voted for himself as having done that he agreed it was wrong”
“Yes it was after Jason nominated Latasha for eviction he was stunned by this and wasn't sure of anyone.Sadly went back to original friends who were both nominating him. He wasn't sure who to trust. But he didn't argue the toss he put his hands up and wrote his own name on the card.
He also voted for himself as having done that he agreed it was wrong”
How could he argue the toss, when the clip was shown in all it's revealing glory.
He did however argue the toss when Evelyn brought it up a few days ago, denying he said anything of the sort.
It was after Jason voted Latasha out and it stunned him . He wasn't sure how to trust and confided that to Laura and Evelyn his old friends.
He agreed it was bad and put his own name on the card as well as Alex did.
It was cleared up with Jason .Jason said so after this that he had ! That he had no issues .It was Andy he hadn't cleared the air with and was Andy who was shocked!
Maybe he should have gone to the diary room but to be fair he hasn't said anything bad in the diary room even having nice comments played back to Laura as part of her best bits.
Evelyn and Laura have both suffered for bad comments in the diary room!
Bb is the responsible one for causing these rifts.
Jackson said he felt as though Jason was like a Dad to him .
It hurt him as he got on with Latasha.
He's owned it !
He agreed it was bad and put his own name on the card as well as Alex did.
It was cleared up with Jason .Jason said so after this that he had ! That he had no issues .It was Andy he hadn't cleared the air with and was Andy who was shocked!
Maybe he should have gone to the diary room but to be fair he hasn't said anything bad in the diary room even having nice comments played back to Laura as part of her best bits.
Evelyn and Laura have both suffered for bad comments in the diary room!
Bb is the responsible one for causing these rifts.
Jackson said he felt as though Jason was like a Dad to him .
It hurt him as he got on with Latasha.
He's owned it !
Originally Posted by Annabel la:
“Yes it was after Jason nominated Latasha for eviction he was stunned by this and wasn't sure of anyone.Sadly went back to original friends who were both nominating him. He wasn't sure who to trust. But he didn't argue the toss he put his hands up and wrote his own name on the card.
He also voted for himself as having done that he agreed it was wrong”
“Yes it was after Jason nominated Latasha for eviction he was stunned by this and wasn't sure of anyone.Sadly went back to original friends who were both nominating him. He wasn't sure who to trust. But he didn't argue the toss he put his hands up and wrote his own name on the card.
He also voted for himself as having done that he agreed it was wrong”
I don't think it was then. I could be wrong, but I recall it being after Evelyn had confronted him about his claim that he would have shared the money. It was the first time anyone had called him on his bullshitting. He realised that Evelyn (and by extension, Laura) had begun to realise how sly he was. He was trying to damage control, by throwing Jason and Andy under the bus, hoping that Evelyn and Laura would nominate them instead of him.
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“How could he argue the toss, when the clip was shown in all it's revealing glory.
He did however argue the toss when Evelyn brought it up a few days ago, denying he said anything of the sort.”
“How could he argue the toss, when the clip was shown in all it's revealing glory.
He did however argue the toss when Evelyn brought it up a few days ago, denying he said anything of the sort.”
That was something else forgotten.I haven't come on here to be critical I just knew hat is was about.
I missed the first part of the show last night and genuinely wanted to know what happened in the first clip where Evelyn got an award .
I simply missed it and asked on an Evelyn thread what happened and who else was put up !
Not here to justify thought it was a genuine question?
Coincidence it was about Jackson Andy Jason Evelyn Alex and Laura.
Just honestly trying to help but don't want to be shot down in flames either.
I genuinely wanted to be filled in on what I'd missed thought this was the same! Sorry.
Honestly fell for that didn't know it would turn into an Evelyn appreciation thread honestly didn't.
I genuinely wanted to be filled in on what I'd missed thought this was the same! Sorry.
Honestly fell for that didn't know it would turn into an Evelyn appreciation thread honestly didn't.
Originally Posted by Annabel la:
“That was something else forgotten.I haven't come on here to be critical I just knew hat is was about.
I missed the first part of the show last night and genuinely wanted to know what happened in the first clip where Evelyn got an award .
I simply missed it and asked on an Evelyn thread what happened and who else was put up !
Not here to justify thought it was a genuine question?
Coincidence it was about Jackson Andy Jason Evelyn Alex and Laura.”
“That was something else forgotten.I haven't come on here to be critical I just knew hat is was about.
I missed the first part of the show last night and genuinely wanted to know what happened in the first clip where Evelyn got an award .
I simply missed it and asked on an Evelyn thread what happened and who else was put up !
Not here to justify thought it was a genuine question?
Coincidence it was about Jackson Andy Jason Evelyn Alex and Laura.”
It was a genuine question
I gave you a genuine answer
Wasn't that the conversation that Evelyn was referring to, when she was telling Jason that Jackson called him a gameplayer? The one Jackson denied having, when he repeatedly told Evelyn to "shut the F up"?
I think that's the main reason that conversation was shown. Not because it was particularly bitchy, but because it stirred the pot. The same reason why Andy's "remorse" rant and Hughie's rant about Jason were included - both Andy and Hughie have had better rants, but they wouldn't have stoked the fire as much.
I think that's the main reason that conversation was shown. Not because it was particularly bitchy, but because it stirred the pot. The same reason why Andy's "remorse" rant and Hughie's rant about Jason were included - both Andy and Hughie have had better rants, but they wouldn't have stoked the fire as much.
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“It was a genuine question
I gave you a genuine answer”
“It was a genuine question
I gave you a genuine answer
”
I meant some of the other posters at the start of the thread thought they wanted to know and I believe they did !
As Ii wanted to know what happened in the first half about what happened with Evelyn's award and who else was nominated . Not anti anyone simply wanted to know but nobody has bothered.
Many apologies for mistaking tone of first few texts .
Everyone is made up of good points and not so good
If you read my post properly you will see the not so good aspects mentioned.
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“How could he argue the toss, when the clip was shown in all it's revealing glory.
He did however argue the toss when Evelyn brought it up a few days ago, denying he said anything of the sort.”
“How could he argue the toss, when the clip was shown in all it's revealing glory.
He did however argue the toss when Evelyn brought it up a few days ago, denying he said anything of the sort.”
True. And presumably her reward will be kicked out tonight with no fanfare - after Georgina telling her some 'home truths' no doubt - while he sails on to the final. Jayne and Laura are right. There's still a disturbing sexism on behalf of some if the voters.
Originally Posted by Paul Wilson:
“True. And presumably her reward will be kicked out tonight with no fanfare - after Georgina telling her some 'home truths' no doubt - while he sails on to the final. Jayne and Laura are right. There's still a disturbing sexism on behalf of some if the voters.”
“True. And presumably her reward will be kicked out tonight with no fanfare - after Georgina telling her some 'home truths' no doubt - while he sails on to the final. Jayne and Laura are right. There's still a disturbing sexism on behalf of some if the voters.”
Not really I would vote for who I like regardless.I liked Laura and Georgina quite early on and as time went on I've really begun to warm to Jayne.May be making a mistake with not really being sure of the extent of her acting skills but I feel that she looks after the other females in the house if they let her .She did with Charlie Georgina and I believe she will with Evelyn .Only time will tell.?
