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Old 25-07-2016, 15:18
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Just seen the Comic Con clip.

Is it me or has the reception for BvS resulted in a budget that makes this film look like a tv show ?
I have to admit that despite standing by my review of BvS as a giant pile of unstructured garbage, I was really excited by the JL teaser trailer.

Also despite my considerable misgivings on the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman, I know he loves the character and hopefully this movie will do his performance (excuse the pun) justice.
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Old 25-07-2016, 15:19
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I like Affleck's Batman but he was terrible as Daredevil especially when you compare it to Charlie Cox performance in the Netflix show!
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Old 25-07-2016, 15:24
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I like Affleck's Batman but he was terrible as Daredevil especially when you compare it to Charlie Cox performance in the Netflix show!
I don't think it was entirely Affleck's fault, the plot, script, supporting cast and effects were more to blame than he was.

Also he has somewhat earned his acting stripes since then.

I say this as someone who has hated pretty much everything I've seen with him in it.
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Old 25-07-2016, 16:01
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Oh that's not what I meant to all by my previous post to make anyone thing it was Affleck fault for the quality of the Daredevil film or that he was a terrible actor in general as I just said he was terrible as Daredevil!

That film was a complete disaster in every way and he was a minor part of it!

As I said at the start of my post that I liked Affleck as Batman and I've enjoyed his work since Daredevil!
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Old 25-07-2016, 16:13
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So you are saying that CW actors and actress are terrible in general? I find that different people have different opinions on the quality of acting in tv shows on American TV no matter the network!
where have i ever said they are terrible????????? i said majority not big movie standard

cw shows have less budget,the actors get paid less than those who have shows on bigger networks, so the best talent tends to go elsewhere, Will there be gems? sure! but overall the channel prob has the lowest standard of actors and DC has alot of shows on CW. do the math

and i dont dislike CW, i have watched loads of their shows since they were WB back in the day. just saying this make GG flash or SA the arrow in the movies makes me laugh a little.
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Old 25-07-2016, 16:19
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The Flash outfit looks awful. Looks like a Power Ranger. The TV flash looks way better!!!
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Old 25-07-2016, 16:21
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Trying to tie the TV and movie universes together wouldn't work at all.

Gotham would need to be cancelled as the murder of the Waynes clearly happened a lot later than the 1981 stated in BvS.

The Suicide Squad movie would need to use the characters as they were shown on Arrow. Or, alternatively, Arrow would need to be cancelled.

The Flash would need to be cancelled or postponed while Gustin spends months shooting movies.

Supergirl would need to spend the next season and a half...
Spoiler
Plus they would need to retcon Superman being around to greet the young Kara, 12 years earlier.

It would be a major disadvantage to the TV producers. Best to keep them separate and hope for some multiverse crossovers further down the road.
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Old 25-07-2016, 16:53
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Trying to tie the TV and movie universes together wouldn't work at all.

Gotham would need to be cancelled as the murder of the Waynes clearly happened a lot later than the 1981 stated in BvS.

The Suicide Squad movie would need to use the characters as they were shown on Arrow. Or, alternatively, Arrow would need to be cancelled.

The Flash would need to be cancelled or postponed while Gustin spends months shooting movies.

Supergirl would need to spend the next season and a half...
Spoiler
Plus they would need to retcon Superman being around to greet the young Kara, 12 years earlier.

It would be a major disadvantage to the TV producers. Best to keep them separate and hope for some multiverse crossovers further down the road.
but but GG can sing and stuff lmao

good post mate
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Old 25-07-2016, 17:34
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and i dont dislike CW, i have watched loads of their shows since they were WB back in the day. just saying this make GG flash or SA the arrow in the movies makes me laugh a little.
Yes, that was obviously never going to happen, but I wouldn't say it's because of the quality (or lack thereof) of their acting. A lot of movie actors got their start on TV, Amell was in the last Ninja Turtles movie, and although I don't expect Gustin to get a lot of big screen offers, judging by the bizarre over-acting we saw from Miller in the JL clip, acting ability is probably not the most important factor.
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Old 25-07-2016, 17:37
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but but GG can sing and stuff lmao

good post mate
Weren't there fan campaigns to get Tom "Cheaper by the Dozen" Welling cast in both Superman Returns and Man of Steel? A few people were even serious about wanting Adam West back in the 1989 Batman.

It's nice that people can be so loyal to their favourite portrayals of characters. However, these fans often seem oblivious to the realities of film production.
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Old 25-07-2016, 17:43
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Whedon247 you said originally that tv actors are not the same level as Hollywood stars which isn't the same as big movie standard as Hollywood stars aren't all in big films!

I asked you if you find all CW actors and actresses terrible as you said originally that you rarely find amazing stars on CW shows.It was just a question about the quality of actors and actress?

You never said they were terrible as that was my words in the question that I asked you but I understand if you don't want to answer that question

Sorry if my wording of the question confused you as that was not the intention!
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Old 25-07-2016, 20:00
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought this. Seems DC are trying rather hard to show that they aren't all dark as it was in Batman v Superman. It came off as trying a little too hard.
It comes off as trying too hard because it's a complete 180 from everything that's come before and so seems false somehow - even though DC comics have plenty of humour and in fact, with the exception of Batman, is generally lighter in tone than Marvel comics.
The problem is that you have a really dumb and incompetent director who thinks darkness and realism are the same thing so you end up with two depressing DC movies that are not reflective of their characters at all. And when they do decide to just write the characters as they are it seems odd.
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Old 25-07-2016, 20:45
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That film was a complete disaster in every way and he was a minor part of it!
Very much agreed.
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Old 25-07-2016, 22:10
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It comes off as trying too hard because it's a complete 180 from everything that's come before and so seems false somehow - even though DC comics have plenty of humour and in fact, with the exception of Batman, is generally lighter in tone than Marvel comics.
The problem is that you have a really dumb and incompetent director who thinks darkness and realism are the same thing so you end up with two depressing DC movies that are not reflective of their characters at all. And when they do decide to just write the characters as they are it seems odd.
It is kind of weird that Bruce Wayne seems to be imitating Tony Stark when the comics' Tony Stark was so heavily influenced by Bruce Wayne.
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Old 25-07-2016, 23:53
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I didn't feel that but I did feel like the new Flash costume was influenced by Iron Man outfit from the Marvel films!
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Old 26-07-2016, 06:49
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Trying to tie the TV and movie universes together wouldn't work at all.

Gotham would need to be cancelled as the murder of the Waynes clearly happened a lot later than the 1981 stated in BvS.

The Suicide Squad movie would need to use the characters as they were shown on Arrow. Or, alternatively, Arrow would need to be cancelled.

The Flash would need to be cancelled or postponed while Gustin spends months shooting movies.

Supergirl would need to spend the next season and a half...
Spoiler
Plus they would need to retcon Superman being around to greet the young Kara, 12 years earlier.

It would be a major disadvantage to the TV producers. Best to keep them separate and hope for some multiverse crossovers further down the road.
No. The DCEU would just all be happening on Earth 5.
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Old 26-07-2016, 08:34
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It comes off as trying too hard because it's a complete 180 from everything that's come before and so seems false somehow - even though DC comics have plenty of humour and in fact, with the exception of Batman, is generally lighter in tone than Marvel comics.
The problem is that you have a really dumb and incompetent director who thinks darkness and realism are the same thing so you end up with two depressing DC movies that are not reflective of their characters at all. And when they do decide to just write the characters as they are it seems odd.
That's my feelings exactly. The thing is, I remember watching Batman: the Animated Series and for what was essentially billed as a kids cartoon, it was dark. Yet, at the same time had some great humour. Also I am a fan of the Batman Arkham Games and again, they were dark, but had humour laced through them. It was more subtle and more of a darker humour.

I do think that the powers that be may have reigned in Snyder andfear it may go to much the other way. It is going to be a case of wait and see I think
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Old 26-07-2016, 12:05
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No. The DCEU would just all be happening on Earth 5.
Even if they could do a cinematic Earth 5 which cherry picks from the TV universes, there would still be the issue of Gustin's Flash being either in the movies or on television. He doesn't have the actual speedster powers to shoot both simultaneously.
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Old 02-08-2016, 17:32
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Whedon247 you said originally that tv actors are not the same level as Hollywood stars which isn't the same as big movie standard as Hollywood stars aren't all in big films!

I asked you if you find all CW actors and actresses terrible as you said originally that you rarely find amazing stars on CW shows.It was just a question about the quality of actors and actress?

You never said they were terrible as that was my words in the question that I asked you but I understand if you don't want to answer that question

Sorry if my wording of the question confused you as that was not the intention!
i think you have confused yourself. what is the question you want answered?

are all CW actor terrible? of course not

and GG is a bad example as he is multi talented it seems. but hes the TV version and EM is the Movie version, and might be a reason for that.
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Old 02-08-2016, 18:43
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Looking forward to how they explain the return of Clark Kent. Superman no problem, he's an alien but Clark ?. In the comics of course they had him as being buried under rubble for months on end, but in the film he's actually been buried in a grave.
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:19
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Looking forward to how they explain the return of Clark Kent. Superman no problem, he's an alien but Clark ?. In the comics of course they had him as being buried under rubble for months on end, but in the film he's actually been buried in a grave.
i didnt even think about that re clarke
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Old 03-08-2016, 15:25
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Whedon247 you said originally that tv actors are not the same level as Hollywood stars which isn't the same as big movie standard as Hollywood stars aren't all in big films!

I asked you if you find all CW actors and actresses terrible as you said originally that you rarely find amazing stars on CW shows.It was just a question about the quality of actors and actress?

You never said they were terrible as that was my words in the question that I asked you but I understand if you don't want to answer that question

Sorry if my wording of the question confused you as that was not the intention!
Also it should be remembered comparing movie actors and TV actors is that the TV lot have to produce one hour a week. The Movie actors have to do just two hours and often have a month or two (not including prep time) to do it in
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Old 04-08-2016, 11:50
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you dont need to tell me about tv stars making it big. jeremy renner was on a episode of angel in season 1!
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Old 06-08-2016, 13:54
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Chris Pratt was in Parks And Recreation for 7 seasons before he made it big with Guardians Of The Galaxy

It happens often that TV actors or actresses end up in films quite often as bad example but didn't Melissa McCarthy start off on TV?

Anyway off that topic as we should be talking about the Justice League film as the recently released Suicide Squad does have a mid credit scene that links to Justice League as well as another scene that could link!

I wonder if we see anything in Wonder Woman that could link into Justice League?
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Old 06-08-2016, 14:20
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Looking forward to how they explain the return of Clark Kent. Superman no problem, he's an alien but Clark ?. In the comics of course they had him as being buried under rubble for months on end, but in the film he's actually been buried in a grave.
They probably will opt for this good old favourite waveitaway explanation: Mistaken identity.
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