Completely agree with this post. It was a rare ultra violent episode to instigate a massive gear change, seems people are taking it now that zombies are out and every episode will consist of humans butchering each other. Crackers. It was a fantastic episode but TWD will clearly never please all its viewers.

I had both versions downloaded and the 9pm version was a minute shorter and trimmed. I nearly deleted my 230am version and I'm glad I didn't as my gore loving sons hadn't watched it and would've been annoyed. I'm sorry they deleted the dialogue though as it was v moving.

It's amazes me people watch something that already is a violent show, and they step up for one episode, (that was milestone for comics), and have debately more violence and people really complain about this ****, some people have to much time on their hands,

Anyway was very surprised how most of the episode took the comics word for word. Was such brilliant episode, and very much worth the wait. I did really like glen, and was very shocked by is death, I really did not see it coming, I've not felt that kind that shock in TV show in very long time.

I've just seen that it got seven complaints with Ofcom, I hope they respond by giving them instructions on how to change the channel.

Who tunes into a show that has hyped the fact that a character is going to be beaten to death only to complain when someone is beaten to death?

We can hope Ofcom doesn't listen to these f****** idiots7 complaints should not be enough for them to take action

The Ofcom thing is one thing, I agree people need to move on and stop fussing but why was the 9pm version cut? This is an issue for FX I think and really they should be the ones saying why it was cut. There was no need for it to be cut, it was shown after 9pm, so in this case is it maybe FX deciding what you can and can't watch?

What part was actually kept out?

The words " I will find you " and the long video of Glenn's face and then the repeated hitting with the bat? Gunna have to watch them again to find out

Denise is dead, so not much help there.

I still haven't got over it!

I'm sure I saw woman standing around watching as part of Negan's crew and also Alicia Witt played one of his people with a bunch of other women in Season 6 I'm sure of?

Women are physically weaker than men in general. But then again, most men would think twice before using their strength to take down a woman.

Does anyone really think Michonne or Carol would be able to fight equal with Eugene or Aron, with no weapons? No, they wouldn't. Men are stronger. Unless the women are trained in how to lock and grab (police women, marital artists) they wouldn't stand a chance.

Sasha, however, is a policeofficer, so she may be able to fight some of the men.

All other things being equal, a good big one will always beat a good small one. The only way a small person could win is by having better fighting skills and/or weapons. Or possibly by sacrificing themselves to save the group as a whole.

Negan's group can't all be fighters. That would not be sustainable. You need people with other skillsets too, even if only to cook the food they leach off others and keep the hardware and weapons functional.

In Negan's world I'm sure women would be seen as having "other" uses beyond fighting, such as keeping the men "happy".

The argument wasn't about what time it was added to on demand, rather what time it was first broadcast. The original comment was that every episode was shown at 2.00am Monday and then shown again at 9.00pm Monday , which is wrong, as the first showing wasn't until 9.00pm Monday.

After six seasons, Im out.

For an already violent show I found this a step too far and there was really no justification for it other than to raise the Horror Porn level, Zombies just dont cut it anymore.

I agree with your assessment of Rick and the writers struggling to keep him alive, in reality this group would have all just been killed and more than likely the women used as sex slaves.

As to Negan, well in reality his whole group cannot by psychopaths as he is and in reality one of them would have killed him by now.

The writers have stretched things in the past but this time I think they've just gone over the edge with the show and I genuinely cant see where it can go from here.

It portrays a world of absolute despair and the abandonment of all human principles and morality where again In reality we as humans would never have evolved into Modern society if our base level was set on some of these characters default settings.

I would also imagine that after witnessing these events on top of the ones that have gone before, most of the group would simply advocate suicide.

So I'm afraid I'm out and in all honesty the show had run its course a couple of seasons ago and I cant see what more it has to offer me.

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Yeah wasn't arguing the strength point, just suggesting that Negan did have women as part of his group

I agree with you to an extent but I'll keep watching as I watch very little tv.

As to Negan- you only have to look at the like of Kim Jong-un, Saddam Hussein, Hilter etc, to see how large groups of people can be governed by fear.

I think society has a very thin veneer and we're already nowhere near as civilised as we think we are, you only have to see how people behave if there a shortage of something, it's everyone for themselves.

Well the argument did turn into that as apparently that's a lie. Even though I did it every week once I'd caught on.

I was also disagreeing that it was shown at 2.00am but without saying those words exactly.

I think Michonne has been established as being a good fighter even without weapons - she beat the Governor in a fight, something even Rick found difficult to do.

I'm sure Michonne and possibly Carol could beat Eugene in a fight (it's well-established that Eugene is definitely not much of a fighter), and possibly Aaron. We've only seen Aaron using guns, and not in a physical fight. I'm sure Michonne especially has more experience in hand-to-hand fighting than he does.

And Sasha was a firefighter, not a police officer, before the zombie apocalypse.

It would actually be easy for any of these people to have been killed. I saw the documentary about Eva Braun . Hitler enjoyed himself with people who were real psychopaths in that they actually tortured and killed people personally. Hitler enabled those people. It's the same with the others. If being loyal helps you have a better life then so be it even if the leader is unstable. It is only when a leader becomes really insane or he attacks the loyal as well as enemies that dissension occurs. Officers only rose up against Hitler when he put troops in peril not the mass killing of Jews etc. The mad king from GOT is also an example.
Negan will kill himself and doesn't just get others to do it. We will see that he rewards loyalty and his people feel safe with him as leader. He knows that any sign of weakness will mean someone will try and take over.

We just have to agree to disagree on that
I dont remember Michonne beating The Governor in a fight without weapons. I know she stabbed him in the eye with glass. I can understand him being slightly weakened by that.

And Eugene would of course be able to beat or strangle Carol to death. (Not to mention that she was a religious, submissive, abused housewife two years ago.)

The strength men have amazes me. Even skinny, fat, untrained or lazy men or late teenage boys are so much stronger than most women.

The Kim Jong thing is fascinating in a revolting kind of way. How on earth can we, the west, not help the poor people of North Korea, who are literally brainwashed and abused?

Negan must be this level of insane.

Celebrity Big Brother gets more than that

I can't really fathom having a reason to complain to OFCOM about a show I've chosen to turn on the TV for, unless of course something truly awful happened - but so far in my 53 years nothing's compelled me yet to complain!

We've all been there...you'll be back. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but soon....

https://youtu.be/7a7NZF_jr24

This is worth a watch for people who enjoyed the episode.

Me too. I loved the show when it was good, but why should I carry on watching it now it is crap?

The decision to make the death of a major character into a game show elimination event over the break between seasons was unforgivable.

I suppose that the fans of the X Factor, Big Brother or the Apprentice style elimination shows will get a kick from being teased by the producers about which cast member is going to be eliminated by a blow to the head. Good for them, but as far as I am concerned the show has crossed the line from drama into reality show and it would be hard to believe that the characters are making the decisions about what happens next, rather than the producers looking for ratings. Once you lose belief in the characters then you might as well watch TOWIE.