I completely agree with you. This Negan character is boring me to tears, the actor's OTT scenery chewing was mildy amusing for less than a minute - last night it was interminable, going on and on and on, the same thing over and over again. I'll stick with it for now but I'm dreading how long we are expected to endure him, my patience is wearing thin.

As a Big Bad I found The Governor to be much more menacing and scary because he was so unpredictable, Negan is just a thug who is announcing to all and sundry what he is about and what he is going to do. Negan is an irritant, I hated the Governor with a passion, only when they dragged the Governor's demise out did he become a pantomime baddie sadly Negan is there already.

That was before his accident. He was handsome before his eye and face surgery.
In fact, he looked completely different.
He is still a somewhat good looking man, but I get douche vibes from him. The actor, that is.

Did anyone know what the hand signal that Gabriel gave to Rick meant?

I kind of agree with you, but he has to think of Judith and Carl too.

If he takes out Negan, he needs to take out his right hand man, Simon, at the same time. The rest are mindless thugs who will follow anyone and do anything to stay alive with some benefits.

I have found the last 2 episodes so draining with no light at the end of the tunnel. In the last season, I didn't like Morgan and I had gotten fed up with Carol. But this season, I actually enjoyed their episode. It was much more positive with the Kingdom people being more in control despite having to bow to Negan's demands.

So I think I will save the next few episodes and watch them together after the mid season break.

Long hair on young men/teens can look very nice. Farrah Fawcett hair, on the other hand, will never look good on any man.

Carl looks ridiculous now.

I'm in two minds about TWD this eason

I understand we need this negan phase to happen, it's part of the story arc from what they think they know and are in charge of to a whole new world

I do find it odd that no one has taken Negan out yet, how can he be that powerful, it doesn't make him scary it just makes everyone else appear stupid

I think the downer of this season has been not mixing it up, we don't need one whole episode per group. It comes across as lazy and money saving

While I'm happy to be patient while they place everything in position for the negan battle, they better get a bit faster with the pacing or they are going to lose more viewers

Sometimes it feels like there are too many people involved with the show

Hm, they are very clearly slightly burnt mattresses. Not trying to be rude or anything, but they can not be interpreted to be anything but mattresses..

This was to show that Negan didn't need them, he just took them for fun and because he is not a very nice man..

I'm glad it's not just me. I eye roll constantly throughout his scenes. The character may work in a comic but on screen it's cringeworthy.


I suspect it's going to drag on unfortunately. If only they didn't give him so many monologues.


I agree. The Governor was a far more believable character. I could imagine someone like him existing in a powerful position in a post apocalyptic world. Negan would have got himself killed long ago, if only because he is Intensely irritating lol.

That ep. was tough going. Pretty much 90 mins of misery porn (all bar the last five minutes or so).

From what I thought was going to be a genuinely interesting and intriguing character, Negan actually turns out to have less depth than a puddle. As others have alluded to, I think the writers are mistaking lengthy, boring, repetitive speeches for some sort of depth, but for me it just makes me roll my eyes. Everytime Negan opens his mouth, we know it's either going to be to threaten someone, or to say what a nice guy he really is (and take a long time saying it). We've seen it a thousand times before; the nut-job who says 'I'm really a reasonable guy if you just obey the rules'. That might not be so bad if Negan actually did practise what he preaches, but he's clearly not reasonable. Even within the context of being this season’s bad guy, if he used his far greater numbers to use just the bare minimum of force to take only what he said he would, he might come across as someone who's only doing what he needs to do to survive, just as everyone else is, and their might be an element of ambiguity to him, but the whole 'Half is what I say it is', and taking their stuff not because they want it, but just because they can, simply makes him no different than every other psycho nut-job who enjoys the power over life and death he holds over people.

Does Negan's bat have a name? Most villians give their favourite weapon a name, but I don't think Negan's ever mentioned it. Like eight times every episode,

The bit about Rick knowing that Judith wasn't his. Has that come up before? (Genuine question, because I can't recall.)


Gabriel was just dusting the mud off his trousers after digging Maggie's grave. If it was a signal (as opposed to simply dusting) I suppose it was to let Rick know that he (Gabriel) dug it and not to worry about anything, although how Negan didn't notice it was freshly dug a few minutes earlier is anyone's guess.

I wasn't really making a serious point about the plot, just on how irritating Negan/the actor's portrayal has become to me. From "awesome" to "irritant" in 3 episodes.

I think a large part of this is to do with, well, what's been said before and much better than I can say it. Somehow its become a mix of "G'vnor did it" Deja Vu and a "couldn't care less" if they kill any of the remaining group (to me anyway).

That's not to say I'm not mostly enjoying watching still, but I feel like I'm stuck listening to Easy Street on loop because that I know at some point they'll put a kick ass song on I'll keep on listening.

To me it looked like broken concrete, no one else in the room could make it out either, it was only when they showed it in slo mo on talking dead that we could clearly see what it was.we then saw the springs ( has America not heard of memory foam??lol) not sure why Michonne looked so upset, I thought she had spotted bodies or something. Mattresses are the least of their worries.

I am not liking Negan at all, the over acting is painful, I know the actor paid a lot for those veneers, but he is showing far too much of them! he chews more furniture than the walkers chew arms.

Hope they can move on soon and hope it is Daryl that kills him.

I'm the same I wanted Negans to be great but he's just irritating me with the one liners and strutting around.

I've watched from the beginning and will keep watching but I find myself losing interest now during episodes.

Never mind concrete, I thought it was a downed light-aircraft or drone or something. I'll explain. When Michonne's on the car, something makes her turn around, and off in the distance in the top right hand corner of the screen, I noticed a relatively large, black object seemingly out of control, and I thought that she'd heard it and went to investigate. When she then comes upon a mass of smoking, grey material, I couldn't make out what it was, but I assumed it was whatever had fallen out the sky. It was only as she got closer I realised it was the mattresses, and what I saw was just a big bird. That's the trouble with this show. You start looking for little things in the background that might be significant later, and sometimes you find you're completely wrong about them and it really was nothing to do with anything.

Michonne was upset because she wasn't there when the raid took place; she only heard from Rick that they took the mattresses. Seeing them burnt like that, when even Rick doesn't know, told her that they didn't take them because they really needed them or even wanted them, but simply because they could. They're obviously a huge deal to the group, but meant nothing to Negan other than a petty show of power.

I am sorry, I can not snip in quotes from my iPad. The signal looked like a signal to me. But who am I to know, I cant do any code or morse.

I loved Gabriel in this episode, he remains one of my favourites.

Rick doesn't seem to love or even like Judith, so this was no surprise to me. Carl is Rick's favourite.

Maybe that bit with the mattresses wasn't shown in every country? Or something else was shown? I just struggle to see how anyone can see anything but mattresses there. And again, I am not being rude, I am genuinly wondering if fox sent two different endings.

Michonne's worry was not so much the mattresses, but more the bigger picture. That they are dealing with a psycopath who kills and destroys just for fun, and not for need.

Another one here who can't stand it when Negan's on screen, with him being that unpredictable some one else in the Saviors would have took him out by now in a power play. Look's like Rosita's the only one with Ball's this season.

I can't understand this like for Dwigth, or the hope that he will get together with Daryl.

Dwight killed Denise. He is an evil man, and a stupid one. A very dangerous combination.

I hope he will be the first to go.

I hope each episode is not going to be as miserable as last nights...not sure i can carry on watching it if so.
Are we going to get his every week ? Negan turning up, taking what they have ? could get boring....
I've been watching this since the beginning but i am starting to tire a little of the same old stories and the same old bad guys

No, it definitely wasn't Morse code. Just dusting his leg, albeit quite 'animatedly' (is that a word?), as a way of saying to Rick, 'It's cool, I've taken care of it'.

I don't really get all this miserable or depressing episode talk, it's The Walking Dead I don't expect them to all sit behind a fire singing kumbaya, it's always been grim and depressing.

It's also never really been about the zombies, it's about the characters and in a lawless world you will get these bad people rising up. But I think all 3 communities will join together and fight back eventually.

I despise Dwight so much more than Negan, even though Negan killed Glenn and Abe.
I'm hoping too he is the first to go, no redemption for this one he had his chance in the woods for that arc, the sooner he is gone the better.
I'm hoping Daryl kills him slooooooooooowly

I thought it was broken up concrete when I watched it yesterday, didn't understand what she was upset about or what had done that to the pile of concrete. Just re-watched that bit and can see now its mattresses.

Initially I thought the show had really jumped the shark and it was a crashed alien spacecraft.

As the camera got closer though I too thought it was a concrete bunker that had been destroyed.