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Old 18-11-2016, 02:02
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Speaking of which, where are the wolves?

Also, is it possible that Rick suspects there is a mole in Alexandria ?
I don't know if Rick does, but I thought Spencer could be when he was practically advocating for Negan's group and showing a great deal of antagonism for Rick and his effect on their previously peaceful existence at Alexandria - not that he wasn't correct in his analysis of Rick's effect on their lives!

If not a mole, at least somebody who could potentially turn against the Alexandria group in order to ingratiate himself to Negan - potential mole.
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Old 18-11-2016, 11:54
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Speaking of which, where are the wolves?

Also, is it possible that Rick suspects there is a mole in Alexandria ?
Rick, no. Michonne, yes. And I hope she gets my telepathy that it is Enid
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Old 18-11-2016, 12:56
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LOL, that occured to me too.... said something like 'You can have your bike back, you only have to ask')
Well, its a good theory even if it turns out wrong. I assumed he just meant Daryl had to say "I am Negan" and effectively submit to the Saviours.

But I like the other theory better!
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Old 18-11-2016, 13:31
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When you have an episode as boring as the last one, I'm not sure that an extended episode is a good idea. I find the Negan character extremely tiresome and unconvincing, with the acting making him irritating rather than threatening.

I didn't enjoy the quirky "Easy Street" episode the previous week, either, and now find I am watching this series more because of the long-term investment I have made in the programme than because it is something really worth committing my time to.
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Old 18-11-2016, 14:16
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When you have an episode as boring as the last one, I'm not sure that an extended episode is a good idea. I find the Negan character extremely tiresome and unconvincing, with the acting making him irritating rather than threatening.

I didn't enjoy the quirky "Easy Street" episode the previous week, either, and now find I am watching this series more because of the long-term investment I have made in the programme than because it is something really worth committing my time to.
I thought for a time they were going to be really bold and have the whole of the easy street episode with music over different new characters showing what type of person they were interspersed with cuts back to easy street over Daryl, it would have been bizarre but IMHO highly watchable

Glad it got back to Alexandria rather then the unbelievably dull lot Margan and Carol have ended up with, the less we see of that lot the better. I'm also in the not sure how long I can cope with Rick et al - woe is me before the inevitable fight back.
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Old 18-11-2016, 14:43
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Am I the only one that finds Negan really funny and enjoys his posturing and monologues? I think he's a great character. I accept the pantomime villain criticisms, but from Negan's perspective, that's the image he feels he has to portray to break any challenges to his authority. If he displayed any humanity or reasonability that could be appealed to, seen as a weakness even by those he's coming into conflict with. By playing it like a cartoon baddie it destroys any hope in his victims so they become more malleable quicker.

I'm really enjoying this series so far too. I'm not generally a fan of the single focus episodes, but 4 episodes in to this series I think they've been necessary. We have 4 seperate groups now, with minimal interactions between them so to give background and move the story on this seems the best way to do it, focus on what interaction there has been (Carol and Morgan in the Kingdom, Daryl at the Saviours camp, Negan's visit to Alexandria) and fill in some of the blanks as they go. I can see why some people aren't enjoying this season so much, but the claims of it being depressing and not having much zombie action for me misses the point of TWD. It's never been about zombies, it's about people, relationships, new societies emerging out of a post-apocalyptic world, for me anyway.

Interesting comments about Morse code between Rick and Daryl. I'd spotted the poster but didn't pick up on anything else.
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Old 18-11-2016, 15:28
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Am I the only one that finds Negan really funny and enjoys his posturing and monologues? I think he's a great character. I accept the pantomime villain criticisms, but from Negan's perspective, that's the image he feels he has to portray to break any challenges to his authority. If he displayed any humanity or reasonability that could be appealed to, seen as a weakness even by those he's coming into conflict with. By playing it like a cartoon baddie it destroys any hope in his victims so they become more malleable quicker.

I'm really enjoying this series so far too. I'm not generally a fan of the single focus episodes, but 4 episodes in to this series I think they've been necessary. We have 4 seperate groups now, with minimal interactions between them so to give background and move the story on this seems the best way to do it, focus on what interaction there has been (Carol and Morgan in the Kingdom, Daryl at the Saviours camp, Negan's visit to Alexandria) and fill in some of the blanks as they go. I can see why some people aren't enjoying this season so much, but the claims of it being depressing and not having much zombie action for me misses the point of TWD. It's never been about zombies, it's about people, relationships, new societies emerging out of a post-apocalyptic world, for me anyway.

Interesting comments about Morse code between Rick and Daryl. I'd spotted the poster but didn't pick up on anything else.
No, you're not the only one. I'm loving Negan. At times he seems almost affable and is so charismatic but then he leans into Rick and says something like he did this week, to make sure Rick knows the real story.

A lot of people moaning about this episode but it was an excellent progression and highly tense. Obviously, at some point Negan's gonna get it and Rick's group will survive, that's the point of the show but it'll be fun watching it unfold from what currently seems pretty hopeless.

I also agree with what some have been saying about Rick getting his punishment for straying over the line, a line that Dale drew a long, long time ago. Carol's been over it and knows she needs to come back, as Morgan did.

It's great stuff and the only show I watch that makes me feel so tense and almost nauseous with worry. Well done to the whole crew for stirring such emotions.
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Old 18-11-2016, 19:19
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Am I the only one that finds Negan really funny and enjoys his posturing and monologues? I think he's a great character. I accept the pantomime villain criticisms, but from Negan's perspective, that's the image he feels he has to portray to break any challenges to his authority. If he displayed any humanity or reasonability that could be appealed to, seen as a weakness even by those he's coming into conflict with. By playing it like a cartoon baddie it destroys any hope in his victims so they become more malleable quicker.
My problem is that someone like that would never have risen to a position of power in the way he apparently has, in the first place. He's intensely irritating and arrogant and would have been whacked or shunned way before he could control in the way he is portrayed as doing. He wouldnt inspire fear as he has absolutely nothing in his personality to attract anyone to nail their flags to his mast at all!! His posturing and monologues are a joke and he may have worked in the comics but he definitely doesn't work on screen. As a viewer I just think "Oh **** off, you loser" and roll my eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I think JDM is doing a brilliant job. It's the character who's completely out of sorts and doesn't fit with the ZA world I've spent six seasons following.

He is a Panto villain and Walking Dead is not a Panto.
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Old 18-11-2016, 22:04
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when did Negan get Daryl?
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Old 19-11-2016, 09:20
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when did Negan get Daryl?
In the very first episode, he took him after Darryl punched him.
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Old 19-11-2016, 12:32
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In the very first episode, he took him after Darryl punched him.
He already had him, and a few others, caged up in a van from before. I think from the time of the fight by the railway line. Daryl followed Dwight into the woods once they had been routed, by Dwight got the better of him and sneaked up from behind and captured him.
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:17
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Im loving Negan and the way this season is going - i have read all the comics, which includes Negan's back-story - and feel that if they go along the same line as the comics we are in for a hell of a few seasons!

I disagree about Negan not having the bearing to survive as a leader, i am sure his group started off small but very violent which attracted enough thugs to become a serious threat to anyone they came across, recruiting more thugs as they went along. Now it seems like the close group around him live a good life at the expense of the 'workers' - why would anyone challenge his leadership when they are also doing well out of it? It is generally human nature to 'not rock the boat'.

My only concern about the series at the moment is that i still only care for the 'original group' - i couldnt even name the Alexandrians except for Jesus and Aaron - so any deaths wont hit home like it did with poor Abraham and Glenn. King Ezekiel is great, and I just love his chubby bodyguard who always seems to be smiling and having fun, but at the moment i think Dwight is really the only 'new' character of any interest.

Still loving the series though, i think it has overtaken Deadwood as my fave American TV programme ever.
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:44
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He already had him, and a few others, caged up in a van from before. I think from the time of the fight by the railway line. Daryl followed Dwight into the woods once they had been routed, by Dwight got the better of him and sneaked up from behind and captured him.
I was really just on about when he took him from the group as a whole.
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Old 19-11-2016, 18:01
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My problem is that someone like that would never have risen to a position of power in the way he apparently has, in the first place. He's intensely irritating and arrogant and would have been whacked or shunned way before he could control in the way he is portrayed as doing. He wouldnt inspire fear as he has absolutely nothing in his personality to attract anyone to nail their flags to his mast at all!! His posturing and monologues are a joke and he may have worked in the comics but he definitely doesn't work on screen. As a viewer I just think "Oh **** off, you loser" and roll my eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I think JDM is doing a brilliant job. It's the character who's completely out of sorts and doesn't fit with the ZA world I've spent six seasons following.

He is a Panto villain and Walking Dead is not a Panto.
Do you not think, though, that Negan is acting? Playing a role in order to control and destroy resistance to his will. In the WD universe, this has worked for him. As for inspiring fear, would not smashing in the skulls of two of your best friends scare you at all? Or being forced into cutting someone's arm off?

I'm not sure how Rick is going to come back from the place he is in, but I'm sure he will. Then I think we will see another side to Negan, as he has to respond to a worthy adversary. Or maybe Daryll / Dwight will become Negan's opponent. At this moment I think that's more likely. Both have the motivation.

To be honest, Negan is shaking things up in this show, and it's long overdue I think
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Old 19-11-2016, 20:01
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Do you not think, though, that Negan is acting? Playing a role in order to control and destroy resistance to his will. In the WD universe, this has worked for him. As for inspiring fear, would not smashing in the skulls of two of your best friends scare you at all? Or being forced into cutting someone's arm off?
Well, it may transpire in a future episode that he's acting and that he was a mild-mannered accountant pre-ZA, but all we know and can judge the character on at this point is what we've been shown. Ezekiel, for e.g. has been shown to have two sides to him (and for all we know, the side he showed to Carol may be the act), but with Negan, we've only been shown the violent, sadistic side. As for inspiring fear through skull-bashing and what-not, at the risk of coming over all armchair psychiatrist, he seems to enjoy it a bit too much for it to be an act. I don't think someone who genuinely didn't want to be doing it, but thinks he has no choice, would be able to do it so easily. Who knows though. Maybe it'll turn out that what started off as a tough guy act to survive altered his personality until it over-whelmed him and he couldn't go back even if he wanted to. I think that'd be giving the writers too much credit though. In any event, is there any sort of Negan back-story that would make us sympathetic to him, and make us go, 'Ah, now I understand why he bashed all those heads in [including a young boy IIRC]. It wasn't really his fault at all, they made him do it'.
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Old 20-11-2016, 13:39
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I'm already sick of Negan.
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Old 20-11-2016, 16:14
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I think Rick is already working on a master-plan and a way to beat Negan. I would love it if they put in little hints of this in the episodes that lead up to it (one of them might be Daryl blinking Morse code to Rick, if that's what was happening), then seeing the whole thing unfold with the hints flash-backed to in some sort of montage.

Come on writers!! So much potential in this season!!
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Old 20-11-2016, 16:21
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I think Rick is already working on a master-plan and a way to beat Negan. I would love it if they put in little hints of this in the episodes that lead up to it (one of them might be Daryl blinking Morse code to Rick, if that's what was happening), then seeing the whole thing unfold with the hints flash-backed to in some sort of montage.

Come on writers!! So much potential in this season!!
I don't think he is, he's completely under Negan's thumb, only way I can see Rick taking action is if Negan kill Karl or Judith.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:48
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We know at some point Negan will get his comeuppance and I wouldn't be surprised if its Lucille, question is who will deliver the blow, I don't think it'll be rick so maybe Daryl or even Maggie.
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Old 20-11-2016, 21:36
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I don't think he is, he's completely under Negan's thumb, only way I can see Rick taking action is if Negan kill Karl or Judith.
I wouldn't underestimate Rick or the rest of the group. They haven't got this far for nothing. I think Rick is doing what he knows Negan wants for now, but something big is coming - it has too, they're the heroes of the story!
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Old 20-11-2016, 21:53
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I wouldn't underestimate Rick or the rest of the group. They haven't got this far for nothing. I think Rick is doing what he knows Negan wants for now, but something big is coming - it has too, they're the heroes of the story!
I wouldn't call them heroes as they've done some pretty horrible things too, they're survivors and that's all. At the moment Rick is completely broken and doing anything Negan wants so no one else dies as he can't see any other way out of this situation, Daryl feels guilty and responsible and not in the right frame of mind too.

At the moment I don't think there's any plans to stop Negan because they simply don't have the numbers, so the only option they have is try living this new life under these rules. It is bleak and I suspect this will go on for a while, but no doubt in the 2nd half of the season an opportunity will arise.
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Old 20-11-2016, 21:55
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I don't think he is, he's completely under Negan's thumb, only way I can see Rick taking action is if Negan kill Karl or Judith.
Maybe he could do us all a favour and cut Karl's bloody hair!
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Old 20-11-2016, 23:20
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To all the people that said they thought that what Michonne was looking at the end was a crashed space ship/destroyed building, I totally agree with you.
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Old 21-11-2016, 09:33
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I am find this show pretty pretentious' can't explain it but it feels like it is trying to be smart like Lost or something.

It looks like it is going the boring route again, knew it lol, after the shock treatment of that first episode. I feel like I am watching the same cycle of events. I actually like the Negan character so will stick out a few more episodes but with so much out there to watch, walking dead is not the first choice it used to be.
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Old 21-11-2016, 11:24
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Apart from the first episode this series has been a big let down. This episode was similar to last week without adding anything to the story line. Different locations each week is just not working as there is no continuity in the plot. Looks like were back to the Negan's place next week. Sigh.
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