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Question, the redheaded saviour and Michonne, what happened there, found it confusing? |
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I would really like to see something of Negan's back story. If he's always been a psycho or circumstances have made him that way. I don't read the comics, so I don't if any of that has been covered. It's just that sometimes you get a glimpse of a half decent person under all that strutting and posing.
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Over the past few weeks of watching I've had to wonder if Jeffery Dean Morgan [Negan] is ill in some way or other. I don't know if he is or not and I don't particularly like to speculate, but I do know that he used to be quite a stocky, heavy-set guy, and that JDM would have made an ideal Negan - a character that needs to be physically imposing as well as psychologically intimidating. The weight loss, coupled with the way he's standing [or rather swaying, or leaning against things] is detracting massively from that at the moment.
I've been shocked by how frail he looks. Performance-wise he's absolutely fine, but for all the character's bravado, JDM looks like he'd blow away in a strong breeze, and shaving off the beard has only contrived to make him look even more frail than he did already. |
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I was watching some old supernatural the other day and you wouldn't think he was the same person, JDM that is.
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It is possible boots is the man who put out all the signs. I was sort of expecting his body to turn up if he was dead. The fact his notes were inside the boat would indicate he is a strong character. I say he because those feet look pretty big!
If it had been a Walker that just got on board why would the owner just leave it there after killing it? He would have just pushed it overboard. So the body is likely the owner of the boat who must have killed himself with his last bullet (Rick and Aaron could not find any ammo). Quote:
I'll have to watch this again. There's a few things I'm confused about. Why did Michonne kill the girl in the car? What were they actually looking at when the girl said "We are all Negan"?
Michonne was always planning on killing the female saviour, in the end the saviour was resigned to her fate and maybe even welcomed it a bit. |
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Over the past few weeks of watching I've had to wonder if Jeffery Dean Morgan [Negan] is ill in some way or other. I don't know if he is or not and I don't particularly like to speculate, but I do know that he used to be quite a stocky, heavy-set guy, and that JDM would have made an ideal Negan - a character that needs to be physically imposing as well as psychologically intimidating. The weight loss, coupled with the way he's standing [or rather swaying, or leaning against things] is detracting massively from that at the moment.
I've been shocked by how frail he looks. Performance-wise he's absolutely fine, but for all the character's bravado, JDM looks like he'd blow away in a strong breeze, and shaving off the beard has only contrived to make him look even more frail than he did already. |
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I was watching some old supernatural the other day and you wouldn't think he was the same person, JDM that is.
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I read he lost 45 lbs eating a tin of tuna a day to slim down for a roll. Being 6´2 will add to him looking even slimmer but i would say he looks more toned than frail.
. Maybe 'gaunt' would've been a better choice of words than 'frail'..! |
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Frustrating that they put so much into the one episode after dragging out some of the earlier ones. Felt rushed and so much that will likely remain unanswered or we have to assume is trivial.
Will we find out for sure who helped Daryl escape? Michonne not trying to get more info out of the saviour and shooting her before turning around seemed out of character. Not even an answer to why she was driving alone. Maybe Michonne wondered if they had similar ideas about doing their own thing. I suppose overall the saviours can't be trusted so Michonne wasn't goint to take any risks. One dimensional group of baddies like the ones that beat up Aaron after he conveniently decided not to explain the letter succinctly. Surely the same rules apply to all of Negan's minions so Rick could have had it out with them on equal terms without letting them be bullied. Inevitable we'll see some partnerships to take down Negan and his main supporters, so just want them to get on with it in second half of the season and see what they have in store for our gang after that. Hopefully there will be more dynamic within Negan's group rather than them all seeming to accept his rules and way of life. Rosita showed (other than the ridiculous bad luck in hitting the bat) that it wouldn't take much to kill Negan if anyone in his group really felt there was a better way of running things. Rosita and Carl being allowed to get off after their attacks with no personal injury seems typical favourite cast member plot armour. I guess Negan has enough wives to take care of with him turning down Rosita's "take me instead" offer, she's too hot to leave behind. Hope they still have the notes on bullet making that Eugene gave them at the end of last season. When's second half of the season likely to start? |
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I believe it is back February 12th in the U.S., 13th U.K.
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Frustrating that they put so much into the one episode after dragging out some of the earlier ones. Felt rushed and so much that will likely remain unanswered or we have to assume is trivial.
Rosita and Carl being allowed to get off after their attacks with no personal injury seems typical favourite cast member plot armour. I guess Negan has enough wives to take care of with him turning down Rosita's "take me instead" offer, she's too hot to leave behind. Hope they still have the notes on bullet making that Eugene gave them at the end of last season. For me it didn't drag out, I'm used to and like the slower pace episodes, but it made the ending all that much sweeter. |
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We know Negan punish the offenders by killing others, it's a fear tactic, to let people know if they try something it's their friends and family that will suffer.
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I did think Negan was showing kind of super powers to realise that Rosita's shell case was second hand - from what I know from watching cop shows you normally need a microscope to determine that.
Negan was satisfied that all the guns and all the bullets had been handed over on their first visit to Alexandria. Rick was absent when the shot was fired which presumably cleared him of blame in Negan's mind. If they were going to hide a gun, you can bet they would have more than a single bullet in it - at least keep it fully loaded. |
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She asked Michonne, in not so many words, to kill her. She wanted out and Michonne obliged.
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I don't know why this season has been slated so much. IT hasn't been that bad and since the show has had 16 episodes per season they have had to pad some episodes out. I would rather they padded the first half - to introduce the new communities etc.. then the back 8 episodes which should lead up to an attack on Negan.
The only problem is the semi characters at the KIngdom and HillTop have not been developed much - even the fishing women's group had a few memorable characters. At least Alexandra has a community feel to the place with so many named extras - Tobin, Francine, Eric, Scott, Bruce and a few others still alive. I am also glad that they have finally given Rosita more to do. I have always felt that both Tara and Rosita were just too much in the background. Rosita has been used more since back half of season 6. Tara, despite having an episode dedicated to her, is still way under developed and she is the only main character I just don't care about. Glad SPencer the rat has been killed off although JDM's portrayal of Negan is just so cheesy at times. I find what he does funny but I'm not sure that is how it's meant to be taken. All in all, a decent first 8 episodes, maybe below par on previous seasons but still good nonetheless. If you now binge watch these episodes you will enjoy this batch a whole lot more and I think that is half the problem. I'm an old timer, so I am used to waiting a week (or more) to continue the story whereas nowadays with Netflix, everybody just wants answers NOW, RIGHT THIS MINUTE. |
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One dimensional group of baddies like the ones that beat up Aaron after he conveniently decided not to explain the letter succinctly. Surely the same rules apply to all of Negan's minions so Rick could have had it out with them on equal terms without letting them be bullied.
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Glad SPencer the rat has been killed off although JDM's portrayal of Negan is just so cheesy at times. I find what he does funny but I'm not sure that is how it's meant to be taken.
![]() How did he sit down with that running half-way down his leg? Maybe that's why he leans all the time. It's the only way he can comfortably stand. What do people think Spencer's long game was? He seemed to have three agendas on the go. 1) Claiming to Rosita he was just trying to get close to Negan. 2) Trying to persuade Negan to depose Rick and install Spencer as leader. 3) Sort of flirting with the female Saviour who suggested he'd be better off with them. Was he just a rat bastard all along, thinking only of how to make life better for himself, or was he genuinely trying to get close to Negan to take him out? I did think that Spencer was being so sickeningly obsequious, that he was just waiting for the right moment to try something on. Which one, or where, is Aaron's boyfriend Eric, and what's he been up to? It was only when Rosita was reeling off her list of names to Gabriel that I remembered he existed. I seem to recall he broke his leg on a supply/ scouting mission, waaaay back (in broadcast time; in WD time it was probably only a month ago), but I can't remember anything about him since.It seems like we have our main cast, then the Alexandrians who were allowed to speak (such as Spencer and Olivia, and we know what happened there), but how many more are there that are barely seen and never speak? Surely if they want to give Rick a credible and plausible reason to attack Negan, they should be establishing how many, not how few, people he has.
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Woohoo! Hey, Lucille, how do you feel about the DS service over the last couple of days, huh? WHAAAAP!
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It's all the swaying around that adds to the effect for me, he looks like he's about to fall over all the time
. Maybe 'gaunt' would've been a better choice of words than 'frail'..! |
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Even within Negan's community, though, everyone is most certainly not equal, so I imagine that people like Rick are even further down the food chain than those at the bottom of the Saviours pile. Even if they were, technically, at the same 'level', the Saviours know that Negan won't give a crap if they want to indulge in a little heavy beating to pass the time, whereas Rick knows that if he gives it back, one of his will just end up paying the ultimate price. (Or not. It's a bit inconsistent.)
Agreed. I mean, where the flipping heck was Negan hiding that knife all that time?! ![]() How did he sit down with that running half-way down his leg? Maybe that's why he leans all the time. It's the only way he can comfortably stand. What do people think Spencer's long game was? He seemed to have three agendas on the go. 1) Claiming to Rosita he was just trying to get close to Negan. 2) Trying to persuade Negan to depose Rick and install Spencer as leader. 3) Sort of flirting with the female Saviour who suggested he'd be better off with them. Was he just a rat bastard all along, thinking only of how to make life better for himself, or was he genuinely trying to get close to Negan to take him out? I did think that Spencer was being so sickeningly obsequious, that he was just waiting for the right moment to try something on. Which one, or where, is Aaron's boyfriend Eric, and what's he been up to? It was only when Rosita was reeling off her list of names to Gabriel that I remembered he existed. I seem to recall he broke his leg on a supply/ scouting mission, waaaay back (in broadcast time; in WD time it was probably only a month ago), but I can't remember anything about him since.It seems like we have our main cast, then the Alexandrians who were allowed to speak (such as Spencer and Olivia, and we know what happened there), but how many more are there that are barely seen and never speak? Surely if they want to give Rick a credible and plausible reason to attack Negan, they should be establishing how many, not how few, people he has. |
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What was the relevance of Rick on the floor of the cell with an axe and piece of paper?
![]() The axe was a reminder of how Negan finally broke Rick in episode one, as well as a throwback to when Rick promised he would use his axe to kill the leader from the Sanctuary (which he did). The note was the same one found by Aaron which reads “Congrats for winning, but you still lose.” Major spoiler about the person with the boots who was also seen wearing a hoody in an post-credits scene set at night watching Father Abraham through binoculars on the watchtower at Alexandria...
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One dimensional group of baddies like the ones that beat up Aaron after he conveniently decided not to explain the letter succinctly. Surely the same rules apply to all of Negan's minions so Rick could have had it out with them on equal terms without letting them be bullied.
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Seems like Michonne did indeed get the silencer out of the glove compartment and shoot her, which seems a bit harsh.
I had some trouble with Eugene making a single bullet. I get that he didn't want Rosita to have more, because he disapproved of what she was doing. He was right, too; it wasn't her own life she was risking. Still, it was very passive-aggressive. Mainly I just found it incredible that anyone could make a single bullet. Did he melt a one drop of lead, grind up a tiny amount of charcoal to make gunpowder etc? Without making a batch to test, I'm surprised it worked at all. Still, overall I liked the episode. I think one of Negan's special powers is self-restraint. He really had cause to be a lot angrier at the Alexandrian's antics. Carl never got punished for murdering two of his men. I also find it interesting the different approaches he used. He broke Rick with a massive display of force, over a few hours. Daryl had a more full-on brain-washing experience, including sleep-deprivation and isolation, over several days. Carl got a grooming experience, a big part of which was treating him as an adult, undermining his role models like Rick and Daryl, being made vulnerable by removing his eye-patch but then told he look bad-ass. Negan is quite a skilled manipulator with many strings to his bow. I don't get why everyone in the show thinks so highly of Rick; he was pretty much the only one who actually caved. Still, I'm glad he's back onside with the others now. That's the good kind of cliff-hanger, one which changes the status quo and leaves us wondering what will happen never, but not by withholding information such as who just got killed or how someone escaped. |
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Absolutely not. There's a hierarchy to the Saviours. The "soldiers", the ones who go out and extort other communities, are pretty near the top of it, and way higher than the ones who work for points. We saw Dwight could pretty much do what he wanted when it came to getting better food etc within their base. The soldiers use violence as a way to intimidate the other communities into paying tribute. They get to carry guns and don't have to kneel to Negan. An established vassal community like Hilltop doesn't have much status, and since Alexandrian is new it isn't nearly as trusted. Randomly beating people up is probably part of their MO, much as killing a community member is. Or at least a perk of the job. Remember the satellite dish group were abducting people from Hilltop.
There wasn't much else she could do - could hardly let her go back to the Saviours, nor keep her prisoner somewhere. Plus she told her about the silencer which facilitated the death, so it seems she half-wanted to die. I don't think it was out of character for Michonne, who has always been harsh. Remember how she went back to Woodbury to try to murder the Governor? She carries a grudge. I had some trouble with Eugene making a single bullet. I get that he didn't want Rosita to have more, because he disapproved of what she was doing. He was right, too; it wasn't her own life she was risking. Still, it was very passive-aggressive. Mainly I just found it incredible that anyone could make a single bullet. Did he melt a one drop of lead, grind up a tiny amount of charcoal to make gunpowder etc? Without making a batch to test, I'm surprised it worked at all. Still, overall I liked the episode. I think one of Negan's special powers is self-restraint. He really had cause to be a lot angrier at the Alexandrian's antics. Carl never got punished for murdering two of his men. I also find it interesting the different approaches he used. He broke Rick with a massive display of force, over a few hours. Daryl had a more full-on brain-washing experience, including sleep-deprivation and isolation, over several days. Carl got a grooming experience, a big part of which was treating him as an adult, undermining his role models like Rick and Daryl, being made vulnerable by removing his eye-patch but then told he look bad-ass. Negan is quite a skilled manipulator with many strings to his bow. I don't get why everyone in the show thinks so highly of Rick; he was pretty much the only one who actually caved. Still, I'm glad he's back onside with the others now. That's the good kind of cliff-hanger, one which changes the status quo and leaves us wondering what will happen never, but not by withholding information such as who just got killed or how someone escaped. |
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some good insight there, part of Negan's 'charm' seems to be that he reads people very very well and knows what will work and when to play the hard/soft guy. Excellent acting too which helps.
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I did expect more of a fight from the Saviours or at least them to be a bit more vocal even when Negan is around rather than just being silent.
I did think Michonne shooting the woman was harsh but there was so much more she could have gotten out of her on how they operate, I also think that woman would have fought back, many would have. I would have knocked the gun away from her and grabbed her by her dreadlocks and shouted " I TOLD YOU!!!! I TOLD YOU NOT TO MESS WITH US!" and I would have strangled her with her own dreadlocks. |
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How did he sit down with that running half-way down his leg? Maybe that's why he leans all the time. It's the only way he can comfortably stand.
It was only when Rosita was reeling off her list of names to Gabriel that I remembered he existed. I seem to recall he broke his leg on a supply/ scouting mission, waaaay back (in broadcast time; in WD time it was probably only a month ago), but I can't remember anything about him since.