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EE Johnny Carter version 2.0
Is it just me or is Johnny 2.0 a completely new character and nothing like version 1.0.
Now, I was all for a re-cast as I think Johnny is an important part of the carters but it is like they gave dead hairball his storylines, brought him back and have had to give him a new personality. He completely ruined tonights episode, he seems to be almost revelling in the fact that hairball and ben suffered a homophobic attack. he is no longer the yellow bellied coward of old and is some kind of justice warrior! he is nasty to people including his brother with depression he looked like he was going to lean in for a kiss with ben on the carters sofa after the police statement he asked ben on a date seconds after ben spoke to Les about the attack, I mean really? the hairball is dead and not yet buried and he is making moves on poor Ben. then outside the police station Johnny came across more mitchell than the mitchell! so I have come to the conclusion I don't like Johnny he is some kind of predator. what worries me the most is the fact he is supposed to be based on dtc and it kind of confirms he has multiple personality disorder |
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Awful actor with no screen presence - which is more noticeable as the previous actor had both these attributes in spades.
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He's horrible!
I agree with everything that you say. He's a predatory parasite I miss the cowardly Johnny 1.0. |
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Yeah. I'm a bit confused by Johnny's approach to Ben. I can't work out if they are going for Johnny thinking it could have happened to him and doing what he can to help Ben as a friend or Johnny being some kind of predator who's trying to take advantage of Ben's grief to shag him because the squares so deprived of gay characters (In which case he should take a leaf out of Ben's book and go to Soho for a night out). At the minute it feels like the latter and it's hard to explain how uncomfortable that is to watch
I've been trying to warm to Ted as I really liked Sam Strike's Johnny but so far it's not working and the more material he's being given the more it is showing. |
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A predator played by a poor actor. The first one was extremely yellow-bellied but this one is worse.
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I like Him Prefer him to the first one to be honest
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He's awful. Squeezes his eyes shut and forces out a line like a really tricky fart. I don't know who is worse - Johnny fart face or Lee lamp stand.
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I agree he lacks the charm of Sam.
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I like him, I like his friendship with Ben and hope it stays that way. The actor has no presence but it makes the character appear more socially awkward which I think works in his favour
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I like Him Prefer him to the first one to be honest
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Wow.
He was not asking Ben on a date, he simply offered to spend time with him, to support him as a friend, I also don't believe he was leaning in for a kiss either. Johnny is gay, he is pushing Ben to tell the police the truth because as a fellow gay man he knows that those people need to be punished- they could strike again, he himself could be attacked. As for his interaction with Lee- sorry but brothers argue and lash out all the time, it's very realistic and doesn't mean he is a nasty person, deep down he loves his brother as he does all his family but that doesn't mean they always get on. In fact, Johnny has always had a bit of a nasty streak- remember when he let his Mum go up on stage to sing and then proceeded to humiliate her? This behaviour in him is nothing new. As for the new actor- I'm not really keen either, he is very uncomfortable on screen IMO- but that doesn't mean I read things into his characters motivations that just are not there. |
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I wasn't a fan of him when he came in but I think this storyline was his saving grace. It's great to see him trying to get justice. EE have always tried tackling homosexuality in the past and their storylines to do so have been okay, but this one is by far the best because Johnny's part in it makes it so intimate and shows you the real realities of being gay and the fears and anxieties that come with it when crimes like the attack are committed. By using him they've stepped it up a notch by taking it from a guy losing his boyfriend to the affects on the entire gay community.
The only thing I'm not a fan of is his saviour complex and the speeches he gives. God help us all if they continue. It just feels like whenever he speaks he's trying to save the world with one speech or another. |
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This advanced prototype of the new Johnny just needed fine tuning
And now we are seeing that the old model was out of date, and this new one is a definite improvement |
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I wasn't a fan of him when he came in but I think this storyline was his saving grace. It's great to see him trying to get justice. EE have always tried tackling homosexuality in the past and their storylines to do so have been okay, but this one is by far the best because Johnny's part in it makes it so intimate and shows you the real realities of being gay and the fears and anxieties that come with it when crimes like the attack are committed. By using him they've stepped it up a notch by taking it from a guy losing his boyfriend to the affects on the entire gay community.
The only thing I'm not a fan of is his saviour complex and the speeches he gives. God help us all if they continue. It just feels like whenever he speaks he's trying to save the world with one speech or another. BIB yes thats another of my issues re the first bit, I do get where you are coming from and I do agree its either they are making a bad job of it or the actor is ruining what they are trying to put across |
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Would people be calling him a predator if he was a straight character? It seems to me a bit weird that people are assuming he has a romantic interest in Ben when we've seen nothing to suggest that whatsoever. He's affected by what happened to Paul, can't shake the thought that it could just as easily have been him, or Ben, or any other gay guy he knows laying on that slab. He recognises that Ben needs support, needs to be kept distracted, and he's not getting it from his family, not even Jay who is weirdly keeping his distance. And he's looked out for Ben before in his own way, right back to sending him a postcard telling him to be himself.
I'm sure the writers will give us Ben/Johnny at some point, that's always been the plan, but I see nothing on screen or in this thread to convince me that Johnny is acting with an ulterior motive at the moment. As for Ted, there has been a noticeable improvement since his earlier episodes. He is a very inexperienced tv actor but he's getting better and I think within another six months he'll be the definitive Johnny. |
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Wow.
He was not asking Ben on a date, he simply offered to spend time with him, to support him as a friend, I also don't believe he was leaning in for a kiss either. Johnny is gay, he is pushing Ben to tell the police the truth because as a fellow gay man he knows that those people need to be punished- they could strike again, he himself could be attacked. As for his interaction with Lee- sorry but brothers argue and lash out all the time, it's very realistic and doesn't mean he is a nasty person, deep down he loves his brother as he does all his family but that doesn't mean they always get on. In fact, Johnny has always had a bit of a nasty streak- remember when he let his Mum go up on stage to sing and then proceeded to humiliate her? This behaviour in him is nothing new. As for the new actor- I'm not really keen either, he is very uncomfortable on screen IMO- but that doesn't mean I read things into his characters motivations that just are not there. Jay is bens best friend and he is not all up in his face every five seconds! re the sofa,he defintely gave ben a look like he was going to pounce and kiss him. that was definitely there |
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I wasn't a fan of him when he came in but I think this storyline was his saving grace. It's great to see him trying to get justice. EE have always tried tackling homosexuality in the past and their storylines to do so have been okay, but this one is by far the best because Johnny's part in it makes it so intimate and shows you the real realities of being gay and the fears and anxieties that come with it when crimes like the attack are committed. By using him they've stepped it up a notch by taking it from a guy losing his boyfriend to the affects on the entire gay community.
The only thing I'm not a fan of is his saviour complex and the speeches he gives. God help us all if they continue. It just feels like whenever he speaks he's trying to save the world with one speech or another. |
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To be fair I've slammed him repeatedly but he's been fine the last week in his support for Ben so hopefully a corner is turning
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he won't leave him alone!
Jay is bens best friend and he is not all up in his face every five seconds! re the sofa,he defintely gave ben a look like he was going to pounce and kiss him. that was definitely there I don't agree about the look you think Johnny gave Ben. It's your opinion though, but that doesn't make it fact. As a gay man myself I can tell you I would be horrified if a friend of mine and his boyfriend were attacked (and one of them killed) due to a homophobic attack and I would also do my utmost to support him and make sure the truth about the attack was revealed so that the killers would be caught. If this was Lauren supporting Jay over his girlfriends death- I don't think you would even consider that she was planning on kissing him while he was grieving. |
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Would people be calling him a predator if he was a straight character? It seems to me a bit weird that people are assuming he has a romantic interest in Ben when we've seen nothing to suggest that whatsoever. He's affected by what happened to Paul, can't shake the thought that it could just as easily have been him, or Ben, or any other gay guy he knows laying on that slab. He recognises that Ben needs support, needs to be kept distracted, and he's not getting it from his family, not even Jay who is weirdly keeping his distance. And he's looked out for Ben before in his own way, right back to sending him a postcard telling him to be himself.
I'm sure the writers will give us Ben/Johnny at some point, that's always been the plan, but I see nothing on screen or in this thread to convince me that Johnny is acting with an ulterior motive at the moment. As for Ted, there has been a noticeable improvement since his earlier episodes. He is a very inexperienced tv actor but he's getting better and I think within another six months he'll be the definitive Johnny. |
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Johnny, as another gay person has a vested interested in seeing the criminals that did this to Ben and Paul get caught. Jay won't have the same view point. Not to mention Jay is caught up in his own problems.
I don't agree about the look you think Johnny gave Ben. It's your opinion though, but that doesn't make it fact. As a gay man myself I can tell you I would be horrified if a friend of mine and his boyfriend were attacked (and one of them killed) due to a homophobic attack and I would also do my utmost to support him and make sure the truth about the attack was revealed so that the killers would be caught. If this was Lauren supporting Jay over his girlfriends death- I don't think you would even consider that she was planning on kissing him while he was grieving. also when just about to leave the funeral parlour he looked like he was gonna hold his hand. maybe this is just the awkwardness if the character. I am not ignoring your comments re the storyline but you make a valid point, as a gay person you can empathise with the situation more than I ever could and thats why I haven't made the thread about the storyline. I did say elsewhere the other day virtually this when .i commented on how he was acting. but tonight the character infuriated me and spoilt the episode |
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I would if she gave him that look!
also when just about to leave the funeral parlour he looked like he was gonna hold his hand. maybe this is just the awkwardness if the character. I am not ignoring your comments re the storyline but you make a valid point, as a gay person you can empathise with the situation more than I ever could and thats why I haven't made the thread about the storyline. I did say elsewhere the other day virtually this when .i commented on how he was acting. but tonight the character infuriated me and spoilt the episode |
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It's like watching some bloke who accidentally walked onto the set while a bit worse for wear.
I hope to God he improves soon. |
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can you give any reasons why?
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I found it annoying that Johnny has loads of scenes with Ben and yet Kathy and Jay don't have hardly any. Phil may not be supportive but Kathy has always been ok with Ben being gay.
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