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I Dont get the Jackson hate
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amelie74
26-07-2016
I don't hate him and early on I liked him but over the past few weeks I've found him fake, sly and manipulative.
spiralstatic
26-07-2016
There are a number of people in this thread saying it is worse to be annoying than it is to be a horrible person. Is this really how you feel?

I saw a post last night comparing Jackson to Hitler! Yes, it was a joke, but it also indicates real hatred behind a lot of comments directed Jackson's way. Not a single person thought it was going a bit far. Above, someone has called him an "empty vessel." Is it OK to talk this way about anyone?

While I understand why people are not a fan of him, I don't understand why it seems almost Universal that real hate can be spewed his way and how hardly ever does anyone either say anything nice of him or come to his defence when there are posts on most other housemates explaining away or trying to understand the root of anything wrong they do.

I support Jackson and I don't think he has been perfect in the house. I don't think anyone has been. I feel sad that people think he hasn't had a genuine emotion whilst in there because I can't imagine how you could believe that of anyone. you're basically saying he has no emotions? But I do think he can't be entirely secure in who he is. I would imagine those people who label him all sorts of things such as false ought to be able to argue this of him even more than me. He is contradictory. I have not agreed with every thing he has done or said and every single way he has acted. I think the fact that Jackson is talking about being accepted for who he is (which clearly he hasn't been by many viewers) indicates that this is something he is unsure of about himself.

On here, Jackson has certainly gotten more criticism for whatever he does than anyone else though. There are many occasions I could bring up. But, even last night, I saw criticism of his speech on BBBOTS when I can't remember exactly what anyone said in their whole massive 10 seconds, but no-one said anything astounding and pretty much everyone said "Vote for me! I want to win!" Several people mentioned being on journeys and acceptance and Jackson was one of the few, if maybe the only one to thank viewers for their support so far not just to say "Make me win."

I have seen someone in the house who has shown empathy, understanding and warmth to others and who has in the most part tried to have fun and be positive. When people like Hughie have exploded at Jackson, he has been one of the few who has mostly tried to react empathetically. Not to say others haven't shown empathy too, but when the argument has actually been with them, most others then find it harder to back down for peace. I think Jackson has been there for other people as often as most in there have. I don't say he has more than other people have. I don't think that is true. But he has shown that he can be there for people. And I think he has shown emotional intelligence at times.

I think Jackson has in the most part tried to get on with everyone. I don't think his every action is playing up to the cameras. If you're aware of the cameras on you and thinking about the public watching you, you don't leap about in glee when things go your way. Jackson took money in tasks because he wasn't thinking about the public - he reacted to the actual situation. He was criticised last night for talking about feeling accepted, but Big Brother gave he and Andy that award (which ironically, I think may have come from people voting on the website for the "least memorable housemate"...? And perhaps Jackson and Andy got the least votes???) so I think you can understand he would feel he had been accepted. Andy also spoke numerous times last night of his journey. Where there numerous threads on what an awful human he is? Is it OK for him to say such things because he has been accepted?

I get that people irritate you. But I think the only person who was really horrid in that house was Natalie and thankfully she left early. Yes, everyone has their flaws and Jackson certainly does. But I think it is OK whoever would win the show at this point. There is no person in there is horrible and there is no person in there who has gotten to the final just by being quiet and slipping through.

I know I'll probably be laughed at for this post. And earlier in the series I wrote a lot more posts about Jackson on the main forum. I have stepped away from that both because Jackson, I admit has done more things I haven't always agreed with (though often, as many can explain such for other housemates, I could think of reasons for him) but mostly as there have been so many posts of just negative, negative, negative it is just depressing to even bother posting.

I would say though: I think it is the height of condescending to assume one particular type of person supports one particular housemate. And I think it is a shame that there is such hate directed towards anyone at all, but especially when there is nothing at all truly horrible they've done, in my opinion at least.
Erinna
26-07-2016
I was fast forwarding him last night.

I liked him to start with but the 'I would share the £20,000' and then nabbing the £5,000 put me off him.
GibsonSG
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Parish15:
“Yeah he can be annoying and cringe but it's seems every post irrespective of the subject matter, someone has a dig or declares anyone but him should win. Don't love him but think he's harmless in general, so confused by the hate ”

Fake as hell and scheming.
clippa
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“Above, someone has called him an "empty vessel." Is it OK to talk this way about anyone?”

I wasn't using that as an insult. I genuinely think that this is him, right now, as a person. He is an empty vessel, lost, trying on different wafer-thin persona's in lue of a true personality. That's why I compared him to an immature 13 year old boy.

When I say that everything he does is contrived, I don't mean that he's a Machiavellian genius, I mean that he doesn't seem to have genuine emotions, everything is forced and stilted, he's playing the gangsta, he's playing the "genuine" forelock-tugging council estate everyman, he's playing at being in love.
Again, I'm not calling the bloke out as a fraud because I think this is genuinely who he is, he's emotionally stunted, he has no personality, he is lost inside himself.

It's the narcissism that makes me loathe him, all of the above would be forgiveable, even endearing without that sour flavour permeating the lot of it.

He reminds me of this kid I used to know who hung around at our school, he was 23 or something, used to hang around with this group of 13/14 year olds, I'd see him waiting for his 13 year old girlfriend outside at home time, bragging about how many blues and yellows he'd taken that day, speaking that same faux-gansta gibberish, laughing that same annoying laugh and making sure everyone knew that that wasn't just a rollie he was smoking.
Arcana
26-07-2016
I don't hate Jackson. I don't even hate his behaviour on the show. However he is my least favourite by miles of the 6 left.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt for quite a while. Acutally I felt some sympathy for him when Georgina was boiling his bunny. 🐇 However the turning point for me was annihilation week and specifically the whole money thing. From then on his integrity and sincerity were shot as far as I was concerned.
theid
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“............... But I do think he can't be entirely secure in who he is. ..................

.........I have seen someone in the house who has shown empathy, understanding and warmth to others ................... he has shown emotional intelligence at times. .....

... If you're aware of the cameras on you and thinking about the public watching you, you don't leap about in glee when things go your way......

......he wasn't thinking about the public .”


Extrapolated because they illustrate why so many people find him irritating. His insecurity manifests in his "gangsta" persona which he admits is the one he adopts when he is with his - similarly-minded culturally - friends. He is not with those people now, and is perfectly capable of "normal" speech words and patterns. He was knocking about with Johnny Depp's family (French, and not "gangsta") not long ago, so he must have some idea of how to interact with people other than his usual friends. Watching himself in the mirror in his "gangsta" persona, and particularly talking to the bloody dummy in the glass booth last night is waaay more than cringe-making - it's bordering on alarming and certainly doesn't give the impression that he is a genuine person - as the poll of the public indicated.

I don't think he has been genuinely empathetic at all. He has gone through the motions, and I don't believe it's just the public he isn't thinking about. He's not thinking about anyone but Jackson, and his "glee" despite the cameras illustrates that.
little-monster
26-07-2016
Jackson lets himself down by purely opening his mouth. He is also a bullshitter and he has increasingly being playing up to the cameras

Talking to the Zoltar the way he did and getting up stark bollock naked are examples of this.
phil.c
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
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I saw a post last night comparing Jackson to Hitler!
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He was not being compared to Hitler..

Jackson got the 'most memorable housemate ' award.

People were amazed he got it.

But as someone said you do not have to be nice to be the most memorable.

Hitler was memorable for being a monster..

Jackson most memorable housemate maybe for behaving like a fool.
rovermac
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by phil.c:
“He was not being compared to Hitler..

Jackson got the 'most memorable housemate ' award.

People were amazed he got it.

But as someone said you do not have to be nice to be the most memorable.

Hitler was memorable for being a monster..

Jackson most memorable housemate maybe for behaving like a fool.”

I had an anal abscess 12 years ago that's still pretty memorable
Ocean Breeze
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“There are a number of people in this thread saying it is worse to be annoying than it is to be a horrible person. Is this really how you feel?

I saw a post last night comparing Jackson to Hitler! Yes, it was a joke, but it also indicates real hatred behind a lot of comments directed Jackson's way. Not a single person thought it was going a bit far. Above, someone has called him an "empty vessel." Is it OK to talk this way about anyone?.”

I saw that post and he was not being compared to Hitler at all, that's been taken completely out of context and is very unfair on the person who posted it.

The thread was about Jackson being pleased that he is considered "memorable". People were pointing out that being memorable isn't always for good reasons and somebody posted that Hitler was memorable. That was in no way likening Jackson to Hitler!
Scarlett Berry
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by theid:
“Extrapolated because they illustrate why so many people find him irritating. His insecurity manifests in his "gangsta" persona which he admits is the one he adopts when he is with his - similarly-minded culturally - friends. He is not with those people now, and is perfectly capable of "normal" speech words and patterns. He was knocking about with Johnny Depp's family (French, and not "gangsta") not long ago, so he must have some idea of how to interact with people other than his usual friends. Watching himself in the mirror in his "gangsta" persona, and particularly talking to the bloody dummy in the glass booth last night is waaay more than cringe-making - it's bordering on alarming and certainly doesn't give the impression that he is a genuine person - as the poll of the public indicated.

I don't think he has been genuinely empathetic at all. He has gone through the motions, and I don't believe it's just the public he isn't thinking about. He's not thinking about anyone but Jackson, and his "glee" despite the cameras illustrates that
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Excellent Post, well said.
aaliyahman
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Excellent Post, well said.”


I agree.
purplesky99
26-07-2016
I like parts of Jackson's personality, but his inability to speak in one distinct accent has irked me to the point of finding him highly irritating.

If you could airbrush the annoying parts he would be much more likeable.
Butterface
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example, not to mention his BS about the prize money the other week which had no element of truth to it and was once again for the benefit of the viewers, but I'm glad he got called out on it. I'm not sure who the real Jackson is because he seems to be playing a persona... he's not even subtle about it, it's just so transparent. I don't know how some people are falling for it.

I'll admit he's not coming across as malicious or a horrible person though, and I certainly don't hate him as a *person*, I just can't stand him as a *housemate*. Complete irritant who is playing the audience for mugs.

At least IMO.”

Not just your opinion, mine too. Excellent post and entirely agree.
Rhumbatugger
26-07-2016
I think people get their knickers in an unnecessary twist about 'hating' the hms on BB.

For the very MOST part, it's flamin' HYPERBOLE, and heat of the moment theatricality.

I say things like - I LOATHE the toad, and 'I dream of mashing wet fish in his hair' etc.

I don't care THAT much in the great scheme of things, it's just part of posting life.


I don't want to be accused of some serious obsessive hatred for saying Charlie is a flamin' monster.

Nor do I want to have to limit my ranting to 'I don't think that was quite on really', or 'my Mother would say that was just silly'.

Stuff that.

Jackson isn't the devil incarnate, he's a silly little boy, but he is also very manipulative, self serving and two faced - also massively RIDICULOUS and a pain in the arse.
ageappropriate
26-07-2016
Hate is a strong word. I don't hate him, I just find him to be the fakiest faker in fakesville. Rarely has a HM played up to the cameras so obviously. I'm amazed anyone falls for his act.
Wee Tinkers
26-07-2016
I don't hate him at all. I just don't know him. I think everything he's said and done has been about the game. The DR performances, showboating and hysterics, turning himself inside out wanting to press the button for Ed but in a terrible quandary about his son, straddling both cliques and saying the right things at the right time, contradicting himself, and getting in a tizz when called out, Romeo and Juliet, being accepted....Game game game game.

Game playing is fine - most will to an extent - but his in a league of its own and I haven't a clue who the real Jackson is.

At least with the others I've seen a glimpse of them, warts and all. Watching Jackson is just like watching a performance..... on acid.

I do give him MASSIVE points for making me lol several times and fair dos he HAS played the game pretty well. He's a bright lad.
Wee Tinkers
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by ageappropriate:
“Hate is a strong word. I don't hate him, I just find him to be the fakiest faker in fakesville. Rarely has a HM played up to the cameras so obviously. I'm amazed anyone falls for his act.”

Yeah, or what he said ^^^
Bless You
26-07-2016
I haven't read any hate.
lon_chaney
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example, not to mention his BS about the prize money the other week which had no element of truth to it and was once again for the benefit of the viewers, but I'm glad he got called out on it. I'm not sure who the real Jackson is because he seems to be playing a persona... he's not even subtle about it, it's just so transparent. I don't know how some people are falling for it.

I'll admit he's not coming across as malicious or a horrible person though, and I certainly don't hate him as a *person*, I just can't stand him as a *housemate*. Complete irritant who is playing the audience for mugs.

At least IMO.”

Yeh and all that lying on the sofa cuddling up to Hughie , so clearly for the cameras.
Im pretty sure back in nottinghan jackson dosnt spend his time curled up on the sofa with his gangsta mates whispering in their ear "i love you G"
His mate replies "wagwan mandem fam you gone crazy G ?"
Pippa2012
26-07-2016
I liked Jackson for most part of the series but the last 2 weeks i have totally gone off him and he is annoying me. Even when he is in the diary room i am forwarding it as i cant bear listening to him, his laugh has also started to annoy me.
Dean_Tavalouris
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Zarla:
“I don't know why he whines on about being accepted. It's not as if he has a very strong, immutable personality like, for instance, Andy, Jason and Hughie.

Jackson has many faces and I don't know which one he wants to be accepted. The intelligent guy who can keep up in a conversation with Andy? The Nottingham gangsta ? The vulnerable stuttering little boy? The Romeo to Georgina's Juliet?”

Does that mean he has more faces than professional horologists shop? Or the queen in the wizard of oz two who had a few rows of heads and chose the one she wanted that might suit her mood. Then again for all the fm who read their stars every day, maybe he's a double Gemini with planet Georgina rising in his moon.
The only thing I would say is, while I think he isn't vindictive or spiteful I'm not sure I would want him as a friend on the outside, I'd find anyone that multifaceted hard to trust.
danielleh
26-07-2016
He's very irritating. His self-indulgent diatribes about his background, "acceptance", his principles, "but that's ME!" are far too frequent for my liking. I can't remember a single instance where he's made me laugh, or where I've particularly supported him. Oh, and there's the "STFU" argument, for lack of a better word.

Of all of the finalists, he's the only one I don't want to win.
Ronell_Davis
26-07-2016
I like him he's a lot of fun and I don't think this series would have been the same without him .
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