Originally Posted by Erinna:
“I was fast forwarding him last night.
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“I was fast forwarding him last night.
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me too... too funny...
I Dont get the Jackson hate
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I also feel that on this forum every thread is turned anti Jackson.
Not everyone feels like this.
I have always found him interesting .I have never heard him shout in anyone's face because they nominated him and yet the lots of facets to his personality that are entertaining .A lot of people have many opposing sides to their personality and he lets all these shine through.
Yes he gets too emotional at times .He has had every reason to get angry being mentioned as a reason for evicting Georgina .It was right if people didn't like her give the personality traits or actions to them that wasn't liked.
It was the girls that did it saying he didn't give them enough attention with Georgina around.He didn't once she was gone.
Then conspiring to get him out because he'd sussed that Laura and Evelyn were the biggest threats to his winning.Showed no signs of that .Not seen any bitterness.
He was voted the most memorable .He was well chuffed love him or hate him he won't be forgotten.
We do only see what they want us to see.
The only person I've ever seen playing up to the cameras is Ryan.
I used to feel that Evelyn had to be fake because of the boobs and the noticed lips .
And always looking in the mirror.
Guess what she's changed and while I think she's been artificially kept in the house.
I think she's become real without Laura. To start with I thought it was the other way round.
I have always enjoyed posting on this main forum.
Lots of other fans post on the Jackson thread and I've done the same on one o two others.
It is nice to find out what these people are really like.
Their is nothing to suggest in Jackson's open past that he is anything different but how he seems.With all these sides to him.
Andy is many ways the same but has clearly had a lot better education to control this.but he also is memorable
I don't for one minute think that Jackson will win but their is no more reason to assume his supporters are female and young because from what I've seen its far from that.
People could post thatany housemate is fake.I don't think they all are.
It's just as biased to say Laura is so real.
Doesn't mean she is.
Never seen reasons for it and quite a lot of evidence to say she's bitter and plotted to get people evicted.
Beauty shines through and everyone has a different view of physical beauty.
Please stop the vitriol and the blinkered views of the one or ones you like.
It is not fair to insidiously filter every thread to fit your views
I said on another thread that got turned like this
The housemates that are left ARE GETTING ON which means they are the right finalists despite Evelyn being the favourite to go WHY CAN'T WE GET ON?
Not everyone feels like this.
I have always found him interesting .I have never heard him shout in anyone's face because they nominated him and yet the lots of facets to his personality that are entertaining .A lot of people have many opposing sides to their personality and he lets all these shine through.
Yes he gets too emotional at times .He has had every reason to get angry being mentioned as a reason for evicting Georgina .It was right if people didn't like her give the personality traits or actions to them that wasn't liked.
It was the girls that did it saying he didn't give them enough attention with Georgina around.He didn't once she was gone.
Then conspiring to get him out because he'd sussed that Laura and Evelyn were the biggest threats to his winning.Showed no signs of that .Not seen any bitterness.
He was voted the most memorable .He was well chuffed love him or hate him he won't be forgotten.
We do only see what they want us to see.
The only person I've ever seen playing up to the cameras is Ryan.
I used to feel that Evelyn had to be fake because of the boobs and the noticed lips .
And always looking in the mirror.
Guess what she's changed and while I think she's been artificially kept in the house.
I think she's become real without Laura. To start with I thought it was the other way round.
I have always enjoyed posting on this main forum.
Lots of other fans post on the Jackson thread and I've done the same on one o two others.
It is nice to find out what these people are really like.
Their is nothing to suggest in Jackson's open past that he is anything different but how he seems.With all these sides to him.
Andy is many ways the same but has clearly had a lot better education to control this.but he also is memorable
I don't for one minute think that Jackson will win but their is no more reason to assume his supporters are female and young because from what I've seen its far from that.
People could post thatany housemate is fake.I don't think they all are.
It's just as biased to say Laura is so real.
Doesn't mean she is.
Never seen reasons for it and quite a lot of evidence to say she's bitter and plotted to get people evicted.
Beauty shines through and everyone has a different view of physical beauty.
Please stop the vitriol and the blinkered views of the one or ones you like.
It is not fair to insidiously filter every thread to fit your views
I said on another thread that got turned like this
The housemates that are left ARE GETTING ON which means they are the right finalists despite Evelyn being the favourite to go WHY CAN'T WE GET ON?
You know which ones of you are rude not only about him but also about his supporters and that's not everyone on this thread.😃
I don't mind him he can be a bit silly at times and over the top but I do think he's harmless and what you see is what you get with him .
He's one of my least liked in there. I too feel like he is completely contrived, manipulative and disingenuous. My dislike of him doesn't keep me up at night or consume my every thought but I do find myself rolling my eyes and kissing my teeth whenever he starts one of his histrionic exaggerated power plays for the camera. He's ridiculous and annoying in the same league as Ryan.
I think he is adorable, in a pet him on the head kind of way, aww go on just give him the win no one else deserves it anyway and he would get all happy and genuinely excited like back in the old days of big brother.
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example”
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example”
Originally Posted by Venetian:
“This. I find Jackson seeking "acceptance" highly manipulative, in one breath this is all he wants, but you have to balance that to when he tells us how attractive and successful he is with women and ashamedly talks about his career as a model
You have to have a good memory Jackson if you want to keep the public on board.”
“This. I find Jackson seeking "acceptance" highly manipulative, in one breath this is all he wants, but you have to balance that to when he tells us how attractive and successful he is with women and ashamedly talks about his career as a model
You have to have a good memory Jackson if you want to keep the public on board.”
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I don't see why it so impossible for him to say and mean that acceptance is important; regardless of his having been a model & so forth, he said specifically to Andy iirc that being accepted as a model or in any other milieu where you aren't entirely yourself is not the same thing. What would someone who was genuinely seeking acceptance have to do to convince you it wasn't rubbish?
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“There are a number of people in this thread saying it is worse to be annoying than it is to be a horrible person. Is this really how you feel?..
..I do think he can't be entirely secure in who he is. I would imagine those people who label him all sorts of things such as false ought to be able to argue this of him even more than me. He is contradictory. I have not agreed with every thing he has done or said and every single way he has acted. I think the fact that Jackson is talking about being accepted for who he is (which clearly he hasn't been by many viewers) indicates that this is something he is unsure of about himself.
I know I'll probably be laughed at for this post. And earlier in the series I wrote a lot more posts about Jackson on the main forum. I have stepped away from that both because Jackson, I admit has done more things I haven't always agreed with (though often, as many can explain such for other housemates, I could think of reasons for him) but mostly as there have been so many posts of just negative, negative, negative it is just depressing to even bother posting.
I would say though: I think it is the height of condescending to assume one particular type of person supports one particular housemate. And I think it is a shame that there is such hate directed towards anyone at all, but especially when there is nothing at all truly horrible they've done, in my opinion at least.”
“There are a number of people in this thread saying it is worse to be annoying than it is to be a horrible person. Is this really how you feel?
....I do think he can't be entirely secure in who he is. I would imagine those people who label him all sorts of things such as false ought to be able to argue this of him even more than me. He is contradictory. I have not agreed with every thing he has done or said and every single way he has acted. I think the fact that Jackson is talking about being accepted for who he is (which clearly he hasn't been by many viewers) indicates that this is something he is unsure of about himself.
I know I'll probably be laughed at for this post. And earlier in the series I wrote a lot more posts about Jackson on the main forum. I have stepped away from that both because Jackson, I admit has done more things I haven't always agreed with (though often, as many can explain such for other housemates, I could think of reasons for him) but mostly as there have been so many posts of just negative, negative, negative it is just depressing to even bother posting.
I would say though: I think it is the height of condescending to assume one particular type of person supports one particular housemate. And I think it is a shame that there is such hate directed towards anyone at all, but especially when there is nothing at all truly horrible they've done, in my opinion at least.”
Your post is not laughable, it's very balanced
& BIB is along the lines of my thinking, as per my two penn'orth above.
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“Yeh and all that lying on the sofa cuddling up to Hughie , so clearly for the cameras.
Im pretty sure back in nottinghan jackson dosnt spend his time curled up on the sofa with his gangsta mates whispering in their ear "i love you G"
His mate replies "wagwan mandem fam you gone crazy G ?"”
“Yeh and all that lying on the sofa cuddling up to Hughie , so clearly for the cameras.
Im pretty sure back in nottinghan jackson dosnt spend his time curled up on the sofa with his gangsta mates whispering in their ear "i love you G"
His mate replies "wagwan mandem fam you gone crazy G ?"”
That doesn't make his cuddling Hughie false
we behave differently with different people, & it's not usually made much of - if you are quieter around some of your mates & more larky/silly with other mates, possibly in line with keeping face etc, so what. That's not having lots of false personae, it's just how people behave.I don't mind him overall as I just don't seem to 'see' half of the things people are reading into his behaviours.. he isn't annoying me but I accept if he is having that effect on some posters rightly or wrongly then it's a matter of 'each to his own'. There are past & present HMs that you could never argue to me are not annoying, so fair play.
Originally Posted by clippa:
“I wasn't using that as an insult. I genuinely think that this is him, right now, as a person. He is an empty vessel, lost, trying on different wafer-thin persona's in lue of a true personality. That's why I compared him to an immature 13 year old boy.
When I say that everything he does is contrived, I don't mean that he's a Machiavellian genius, I mean that he doesn't seem to have genuine emotions, everything is forced and stilted, he's playing the gangsta, he's playing the "genuine" forelock-tugging council estate everyman, he's playing at being in love.
Again, I'm not calling the bloke out as a fraud because I think this is genuinely who he is, he's emotionally stunted, he has no personality, he is lost inside himself.
It's the narcissism that makes me loathe him, all of the above would be forgiveable, even endearing without that sour flavour permeating the lot of it.
He reminds me of this kid I used to know who hung around at our school, he was 23 or something, used to hang around with this group of 13/14 year olds, I'd see him waiting for his 13 year old girlfriend outside at home time, bragging about how many blues and yellows he'd taken that day, speaking that same faux-gansta gibberish, laughing that same annoying laugh and making sure everyone knew that that wasn't just a rollie he was smoking.”
“I wasn't using that as an insult. I genuinely think that this is him, right now, as a person. He is an empty vessel, lost, trying on different wafer-thin persona's in lue of a true personality. That's why I compared him to an immature 13 year old boy.
When I say that everything he does is contrived, I don't mean that he's a Machiavellian genius, I mean that he doesn't seem to have genuine emotions, everything is forced and stilted, he's playing the gangsta, he's playing the "genuine" forelock-tugging council estate everyman, he's playing at being in love.
Again, I'm not calling the bloke out as a fraud because I think this is genuinely who he is, he's emotionally stunted, he has no personality, he is lost inside himself.
It's the narcissism that makes me loathe him, all of the above would be forgiveable, even endearing without that sour flavour permeating the lot of it.
He reminds me of this kid I used to know who hung around at our school, he was 23 or something, used to hang around with this group of 13/14 year olds, I'd see him waiting for his 13 year old girlfriend outside at home time, bragging about how many blues and yellows he'd taken that day, speaking that same faux-gansta gibberish, laughing that same annoying laugh and making sure everyone knew that that wasn't just a rollie he was smoking.”
I honestly don't recognise Jackson in what you say here at all. I understand the type of person you are describing, but it surprises me if this is genuinely all you feel you have seen of him in the house. Clearly though, you are not alone.
Even for the kind of person you are talking about though... emotionally stunted, an empty vessel. You say you don't mean it as an insult but in that case, I am not sure what you do mean. The more you believe the negative things you state, the more insulting it is...
I don't think you can bring narcissism into it. Every single person without exception who is in the house now and who was there from day one of this year's Big Brother is not low on the narcissism scale. And I think there is an argument to say that nobody who has ever put themselves in the situation of entering the Big Brother house is genuinely low in this trait.
seether Thank you for your post. Made me feel a bit better as I wasn't sure I should reply to the topic.
Regarding acceptance, I first of all think housemates should only be judged on who they are inside the house.
To quote this bit from Venetian:
Quote:
“when he tells us how attractive and successful he is with women and ashamedly talks about his career as a model”
“when he tells us how attractive and successful he is with women and ashamedly talks about his career as a model”
I haven't heard a great deal of Jackson talking about being a model. What I have heard is always about it being something well in the past. In terms of with women, I'd say we've seen him flirty in there, but I would not say he's come across the way he implied in his VT. He hasn't tried anything with any of the other girls in there in a house where such matters were certainly at the fore this series and with Georgina he was like a little slave a lot of the time.
Andy also spoke of acceptance post his lollipop award. Is this more genuine just because we have seen a journey in terms of how Andy has been accepted inside and outside of the house? Do you not think one of the things likely to drive most people to enter the Big Brother house is a need and desire for acceptance? Of those left, Jason clearly needs it. Evelyn mentioned it in her BBBOTS speech before being cut off. Andy and Jackson have spoken of it. Hughie has also spoken of it. The only person who has not... and also the person remaining who I think is likely most secure in who she is is Jayne.
The truth of acceptance as I've experienced it is it is never really so important that other people accept you. Accepting yourself is what makes you grow. As you become more fully and more comfortable with yourself and with know who you are (and perhaps none of us ever fully do) the less other people's opinions of you matter to you. Of course it is also true that most people don't care that much who anyone else is. And so when we talk about hate in this thread and on this forum, we're not really talking hate, we're just talking how some people are criticised more and can do no right in some people's eyes.
I do understand that once a person annoys you, they annoy you and that is just how it is. But I think it is a shame as I feel like overall, everyone barring Natalie has been on the whole nice this year.
Aaanyway, soon be over, folks!
I remember thinking that Jackson was just acting - plain and simple - at the start. He comes across as very contrived and is pretty much just playing up to the cameras at all times. I've taken a real disliking to him over the weeks, but reading this thread made me think...
What if he is just playing a pure game?
He's played the relationship card early on, the father card, the poor boy in love with a princess card. He's flitted between groups - constantly contradicted himself...etc
In a way, isn't this one of the best examples of playing the game that we've ever seen?
And bearing in mind, this is - in large part - a gameshow, is there anything wrong with that? Maybe it should even be applauded?
It remains to be seen whether his plan will actually get him the win (probably not?), but it has got him in the final.
On a final note, when they play their improv games, Jackson is usually taking the lead. He has an air of drama school about him for sure...
What if he is just playing a pure game?
He's played the relationship card early on, the father card, the poor boy in love with a princess card. He's flitted between groups - constantly contradicted himself...etc
In a way, isn't this one of the best examples of playing the game that we've ever seen?
And bearing in mind, this is - in large part - a gameshow, is there anything wrong with that? Maybe it should even be applauded?
It remains to be seen whether his plan will actually get him the win (probably not?), but it has got him in the final.
On a final note, when they play their improv games, Jackson is usually taking the lead. He has an air of drama school about him for sure...
Originally Posted by Parish15:
“Yeah he can be annoying and cringe but it's seems every post irrespective of the subject matter, someone has a dig or declares anyone but him should win. Don't love him but think he's harmless in general, so confused by the hate”
“Yeah he can be annoying and cringe but it's seems every post irrespective of the subject matter, someone has a dig or declares anyone but him should win. Don't love him but think he's harmless in general, so confused by the hate
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I agree. Sometimes he bugs me other times he doesn't. No worse than any of the others.
On the positive side I find him extremely articulate when he isn't doing gangster, very perceptive, kind and caring. He is imho intelligent and at times has wisdom beyond his years. he is also assertive and demonstrates leadership skills
However I accept he can be irritating, ridiculous, aggressive, needy and self absorbed. But then show me a HM who isn't any of those things
He strikes me as someone who could be so much more if he was presented with the right opportunities. He comes across as someone who recognises there is more out there than what he has witnessed or had the opportunity to be and he kows he wants it just doesnt quite know what the it is or how to go about getting it. I like that about him.
Originally Posted by seether:
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That doesn't make his cuddling Hughie false we behave differently with different people, & it's not usually made much of - if you are quieter around some of your mates & more larky/silly with other mates, possibly in line with keeping face etc, so what. That's not having lots of false personae, it's just how people behave.”
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That doesn't make his cuddling Hughie false
we behave differently with different people, & it's not usually made much of - if you are quieter around some of your mates & more larky/silly with other mates, possibly in line with keeping face etc, so what. That's not having lots of false personae, it's just how people behave.”
My point was that hetero guys simply dont behave like that. Being quiet , larking about ,, being silly for sure but thats something quite different, but hetero guys simply dont lie on the couch cuddling another guy wether hes gay or hetero. Its not about keeping face its about having not the least inclination to do it - quite the contrary a strong aversion to doing it.
Its just not how people of jacksons stated demographic would normally behave - and all the while i felt he was talking to the camera rather than Hughie.
I dont understand the hate either I really like Jackson he has done nothing wrong in the house and is a decent nice lad I hope he wins or gets in the top 3 but the best I think he will finish is 4th
i would like to see the teachers and the others he dedicated his long run too... the ones who said had said he would never amount to anything...
a finalist on a "freak show" - oh how they must be laughing...
a finalist on a "freak show" - oh how they must be laughing...
Originally Posted by phil.c:
“He was not being compared to Hitler..
Jackson got the 'most memorable housemate ' award.
People were amazed he got it.
But as someone said you do not have to be nice to be the most memorable.
Hitler was memorable for being a monster..
Jackson most memorable housemate maybe for behaving like a fool.”
“He was not being compared to Hitler..
Jackson got the 'most memorable housemate ' award.
People were amazed he got it.
But as someone said you do not have to be nice to be the most memorable.
Hitler was memorable for being a monster..
Jackson most memorable housemate maybe for behaving like a fool.”
Not everyone clearly feels like you please respect the views of the people that voted for this.
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“My point was that hetero guys simply dont behave like that. Being quiet , larking about ,, being silly for sure but thats something quite different, but hetero guys simply dont lie on the couch cuddling another guy wether hes gay or hetero. Its not about keeping face its about having not the least inclination to do it - quite the contrary a strong aversion to doing it.
Its just not how people of jacksons stated demographic would normally behave - and all the while i felt he was talking to the camera rather than Hughie.”
“My point was that hetero guys simply dont behave like that. Being quiet , larking about ,, being silly for sure but thats something quite different, but hetero guys simply dont lie on the couch cuddling another guy wether hes gay or hetero. Its not about keeping face its about having not the least inclination to do it - quite the contrary a strong aversion to doing it.
Its just not how people of jacksons stated demographic would normally behave - and all the while i felt he was talking to the camera rather than Hughie.”
Fair enough, I'm not that young & took it that it was a reflection of changing times in the same way as the general kissing & hands-on-ness among the men in there would also have once not been the norm.
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example, not to mention his BS about the prize money the other week which had no element of truth to it and was once again for the benefit of the viewers, but I'm glad he got called out on it. I'm not sure who the real Jackson is because he seems to be playing a persona... he's not even subtle about it, it's just so transparent. I don't know how some people are falling for it.
I'll admit he's not coming across as malicious or a horrible person though, and I certainly don't hate him as a *person*, I just can't stand him as a *housemate*. Complete irritant who is playing the audience for mugs.
At least IMO.”
“Nearly everything he says or does is for the cameras; his entire act is so contrived - the whole 'feeling accepted' rubbish is a prime example, not to mention his BS about the prize money the other week which had no element of truth to it and was once again for the benefit of the viewers, but I'm glad he got called out on it. I'm not sure who the real Jackson is because he seems to be playing a persona... he's not even subtle about it, it's just so transparent. I don't know how some people are falling for it.
I'll admit he's not coming across as malicious or a horrible person though, and I certainly don't hate him as a *person*, I just can't stand him as a *housemate*. Complete irritant who is playing the audience for mugs.
At least IMO.”
My feelings entirely.
It's the fact that he is a phoney, that every action and speech is contrived, that makes him so distasteful to me. As annoying as Hughie's tantrums are, in the moment, they are real. Jackson isn't even smart with his game playing.
Why are the pro Jackson posts so very long?
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“I agree. Sometimes he bugs me other times he doesn't. No worse than any of the others.
On the positive side I find him extremely articulate when he isn't doing gangster, very perceptive, kind and caring. He is imho intelligent and at times has wisdom beyond his years. he is also assertive and demonstrates leadership skills
However I accept he can be irritating, ridiculous, aggressive, needy and self absorbed. But then show me a HM who isn't any of those things
He strikes me as someone who could be so much more if he was presented with the right opportunities. He comes across as someone who recognises there is more out there than what he has witnessed or had the opportunity to be and he kows he wants it just doesnt quite know what the it is or how to go about getting it. I like that about him.”
“I agree. Sometimes he bugs me other times he doesn't. No worse than any of the others.
On the positive side I find him extremely articulate when he isn't doing gangster, very perceptive, kind and caring. He is imho intelligent and at times has wisdom beyond his years. he is also assertive and demonstrates leadership skills
However I accept he can be irritating, ridiculous, aggressive, needy and self absorbed. But then show me a HM who isn't any of those things
He strikes me as someone who could be so much more if he was presented with the right opportunities. He comes across as someone who recognises there is more out there than what he has witnessed or had the opportunity to be and he kows he wants it just doesnt quite know what the it is or how to go about getting it. I like that about him.”
Loved this post Cornchips. Thank you for sharing. You articulated things I felt and agree with but struggle to articulate, so, ta!
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“My point was that hetero guys simply dont behave like that. Being quiet , larking about ,, being silly for sure but thats something quite different, but hetero guys simply dont lie on the couch cuddling another guy wether hes gay or hetero. Its not about keeping face its about having not the least inclination to do it - quite the contrary a strong aversion to doing it.
Its just not how people of jacksons stated demographic would normally behave - and all the while i felt he was talking to the camera rather than Hughie.”
“My point was that hetero guys simply dont behave like that. Being quiet , larking about ,, being silly for sure but thats something quite different, but hetero guys simply dont lie on the couch cuddling another guy wether hes gay or hetero. Its not about keeping face its about having not the least inclination to do it - quite the contrary a strong aversion to doing it.
Its just not how people of jacksons stated demographic would normally behave - and all the while i felt he was talking to the camera rather than Hughie.”
The bit in italics is how you perceived the situation, fair enough. The rest... surely everyone is different? I would personally say few people fit strictly into a defined "demographic" in which you act completely the same way as everyone else. And I really don't see Jackson as "gansta" in action.... er... really much at all.... I mean he has that speak, but even he has never implied this means he goes around now doing anything particular in relation to this, or as part of a particular "demographic", has he...???
Also, I always think you are different people depending on who you are with. I felt it when I lost my Dad. I lost not only him, but the way I spoke to and interacted with him, the silly games we'd play. There was nobody I could do that with anymore. That way I had of being, with him, I lost it. Maybe not entirely... but almost entirely.
We are all a combination of who we are, who our families and friends make us, where we're from and what we experience. Everything that makes a person different. I would say all the boys have been pretty open in the house. I didn't watch so closely at the start of the series, but wasn't Jackson fine with getting on the bed with Sam at the start of the show? (In fact didn't some question in that first week or so whether he might be bi even?!?) Alex has had all the boys sitting on him. Jason who you may stereotypically expect the opposite of has easily gotten into ladies attire. They're all pretty comfortable with whatever, and I am not a man and can't say I have loads of make friends, but I don't feel it is a thing that does not happen with anyone.....?!?!
Aaanywayyyy.
The dislike for him is over the top. People like to get on here and vent about things (I think I'm guilty of that) and use vile language about hms. I don't get how you can loathe someone you've never met or unlikely to ever meet. Sometimes people take the show and it's editing far too seriously.
Jackson is annoying sure but he isn't the worst hm. Both Jackson and Jason are manipulative and "fake" . They're both game players on the game and acted in ways that doesn't ring true so the outrage over these issues seems to be a bit disengenuous considering one is so popular on here and the other is very much disliked.
Jackson is annoying sure but he isn't the worst hm. Both Jackson and Jason are manipulative and "fake" . They're both game players on the game and acted in ways that doesn't ring true so the outrage over these issues seems to be a bit disengenuous considering one is so popular on here and the other is very much disliked.
Originally Posted by Ronell_Davis:
“I like him he's a lot of fun and I don't think this series would have been the same without him .”
“I like him he's a lot of fun and I don't think this series would have been the same without him .”
He will be one of the most memorable for me. People may not like him but I really think he has been a great HM. He's certainly gave it his all.
And not just because I laughed for the wrong reasons.
Look how he turned everything round during the immunity thing during annihilation. 
<<<< That was my face watching that transpire. You can slate him but that was impressive and I really feel impacted the house - had he not done that then Andy probably would have gone and the dynamics changed again. Frustrating thing about Jackson is I'm not a fan because I've no idea who he really is but I've seen a lot of qualities in him that I really like....If that's a reflection of him then he could be a really sound guy.
My turning point was when he was so torn about pressing the buzzer in order to give Andy a second night with his boyfriend .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .
Originally Posted by Helen90:
“Jackson is far from malicious, but reading some of the posts on this forum you'd think he's the devil.
I totally get why people don't like him or are suspicious of him, he does seem calculated and everything is cheese overload. However, I think he's harmless like you say.
He's got a lot of growing up to do - the tantrums will not get him far in life, but then again it's Big Brother and emotions are highly exaggerated. Underneath it all, he's a nice guy and people in there seem to like him (maybe bar Evelyn) which says a lot to me.”
“Jackson is far from malicious, but reading some of the posts on this forum you'd think he's the devil.
I totally get why people don't like him or are suspicious of him, he does seem calculated and everything is cheese overload. However, I think he's harmless like you say.
He's got a lot of growing up to do - the tantrums will not get him far in life, but then again it's Big Brother and emotions are highly exaggerated. Underneath it all, he's a nice guy and people in there seem to like him (maybe bar Evelyn) which says a lot to me.”
Agreed !!!
I didn't have any Favs this year ,but some I dislike more than Others ,and there was quite a few of them I disliked more than Jackson ,he was in the more Likeable list for me this year
Originally Posted by celtic star:
“My turning point was when he was so torn about pressing the buzzer in order to give Andy a second night with his boyfriend .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .”
“My turning point was when he was so torn about pressing the buzzer in order to give Andy a second night with his boyfriend .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .”
Yeah, that was the same moment for me too. Although in fairness he'd been starting to get on my wick before that - his howling at the moon and ripping off his shirt after Georgina went springs to mind.
But the buzzer task was when I thought 'Hmmm ... he's so contrived'.
And to clarify I don't 'hate' him ... he just really irritates, and I can't just ignore him as I want to watch the rest of the show.
I actually think Georgina leaving when she did probably did him a lot of good. It was plain to see that her snarkiness with him was on the rise over the preceding days so there could well have been trouble in paradise if she'd survived to get at him some more.
Originally Posted by celtic star:
“My turning point was when he was so torn about pressing the buzzer in order to give Andy a second night with his boyfriend .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .”
“My turning point was when he was so torn about pressing the buzzer in order to give Andy a second night with his boyfriend .
Jackson put on a big angsty production about how he really wanted to press it an meet him .
Then when he had a chance to see his son , he wanted to play the martyr and not press it , depite having been crying and ranting to others about him for the previous 48hrs .
Everything since then has been so transparently contrived its laughable .”
I get people who were bothered about the money situation.
I don't get this. If Jackson had had the chance to see a video from his son before or immediately after this second BF's situation he'd have done it, no worries, I'm pretty certain.
In between the two scenarios though, Emma pressed the button and all the HMs saw their boyfriends for a second time. Jackson got upset and angry (I think, understandably so. At the time, most people seemed to agree. Emma was selfish and though logically BB would not have let HMs miss out on seeing their children, Jackson didn't know that.)
Literally seconds before he went into his buzzer situation he spoke/argued with Emma and took a stance that he wouldn't turn around for the good of the house - that she'd been selfish to do so. He made it so he couldn't turn around. He put himself in a no win situation there. He wanted to turn around but he'd literally just said he wouldn't do it. I cannot understand how anyone can't understand the situation he put himself here and how he'd made it into this mess himself.
I have definitely overstayed my welcome on this thread. It's the final now anyway, so none of it really matters anymore!
Originally Posted by JT Effect:
“Yeah, that was the same moment for me too. Although in fairness he'd been starting to get on my wick before that - his howling at the moon and ripping off his shirt after Georgina went springs to mind.
But the buzzer task was when I thought 'Hmmm ... he's so contrived'.
And to clarify I don't 'hate' him ... he just really irritates, and I can't just ignore him as I want to watch the rest of the show.
I actually think Georgina leaving when she did probably did him a lot of good. It was plain to see that her snarkiness with him was on the rise over the preceding days so there could well have been trouble in paradise if she'd survived to get at him some more.”
“Yeah, that was the same moment for me too. Although in fairness he'd been starting to get on my wick before that - his howling at the moon and ripping off his shirt after Georgina went springs to mind.
But the buzzer task was when I thought 'Hmmm ... he's so contrived'.
And to clarify I don't 'hate' him ... he just really irritates, and I can't just ignore him as I want to watch the rest of the show.
I actually think Georgina leaving when she did probably did him a lot of good. It was plain to see that her snarkiness with him was on the rise over the preceding days so there could well have been trouble in paradise if she'd survived to get at him some more.”
I actually think he was quite relieved/pleased when she went. It gave him an opportunity to play the wounded love struck Romeo mercilessly separated from his paramour, and a chance to get some peace from her incessant nagging and bitching.
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