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Why are the ex-housemates so bitter and angry ?
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willywonker
26-07-2016
Playing the game is to get on with enough people not to get nominated. Which she did very well.

Her problem was the twist, and as has been said if she made an effort to get on with few others she might of stayed in.

She played the game but was crap at it.

Originally Posted by Veri:
“Her downfall was a twist, not a failure to "play the game". (What is "play the game" supposed to mean here anyway?)

Indeed, she was doing pretty well in the game. She was at the centre of the largest group. She was getting very few nominations. (Jason nominated her twice, Andy once, and that's it.)

Indeed, Jason picked her to evict because her position was so strong.”

Annsyre
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by fleabee:
“Lateysha should have been on Cbb to be fair”

Why, she is a talentless foul mouthed has been?
MysteriousOz
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Peachykeen:
“Agreed. People with a far lower profile have appeared on CBB.

She was at an unfair advantage from the minute she walked in. She has about 350,000 followers on both Instagram and Twitter. The younger viewers knew who she was straight away from 'The Valleys' . How were the other housemates going to compete with that.

That's probably why she thought she was going to walk it.

Jason evicting her was a master stroke even if he didn't realise it.”

Agreed and so glad he did get rid of her

The other housemates are shaming themselves on Twitter its embarrassing but they can't let it go
Wee Tinkers
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by fleabee:
“Lateysha should have been on Cbb to be fair”

She should have been. Ridiculous putting someone in with such a following. And a book!

It explains how a lot of the more superficial bunch gravitated to her and she deemed so entitled.

She ruined the show for me. I am far far too preoccupied with the clique - my favourites have been based on their status with the clique, I can't love Jayne or Hughie as much as I should because of their sucking round Lateysha - it's stupid and ruined it for me somewhat but I just hate cliquey behaviour so much.

So, yeah, personally speaking and in the interest if fairness I think she definitely should have been down for CBB.
Wee Tinkers
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Why, she is a talentless foul mouthed has been?”

Has been? She wishes. She's not even there yet.

I'd say more almost-been....or nearly-been-but-still-desperately-trying-been.
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by willywonker:
“Playing the game is to get on with enough people not to get nominated. Which she did very well.

Her problem was the twist, and as has been said if she made an effort to get on with few others she might of stayed in.

She played the game but was crap at it.”

Sure, it's been said that if she made an effort to get on with few others she might of stayed in. But what supposedly shows it's true in a way that makes her "crap" at "playing the game". Her success in getting very few nominations suggests that she made enough of an effort with almost all of them. That doesn't look like crap "playing the game" to me.
Rhumbatugger
26-07-2016
Because they've never learned to lose with grace.

They lack any sort of sportsmanship.

They are deeply unsophisticated, because these things STILL matter, even though they think they don't.

Because they are stupidly conceited and unimaginative.

Because fame is EVERYTHING, and they have no personal integrity.

Because they are woefully thick.

It's only really Lateysha, Charlie, Ryan though, I think.
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“...
It's only really Lateysha, Charlie, Ryan though, I think.”

Why not Georgina? She seemed vindictive enough towards Evelyn.

BTW, it's interesting that no one's mentioning their Twitter following as a factor in how they're thinking now.
jacob.w.porter
26-07-2016
Man I wish he stayed longer....and I wonder why he's supporting Andy and Evelyn out of everyone? So many relationships in the house we missed developing.

Andrew Tate ‏@Cobratate · 2h2 hours ago

I hope Andy or ev win. But I'm in Korea and will be drunk out my mind by the time the results announced and won't even remember who's who.
Rhumbatugger
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Why not Georgina? She seemed vindictive enough towards Evelyn.

BTW, it's interesting that no one's mentioning their Twitter following as a factor in how they're thinking now.”

Yep, Georgina too, I just forgot about her.

I don't follow twitter, what's going on Veri?
Alrightmate
26-07-2016
I think Lateysha especially feels entitled because apparently she has 300k Twitter followers, and assumed that made her a shoe-in for the final. But found out that those 300k Twitter followers were ultimately of no use whatsoever to her and amounted to jack shit. She may well feel cheated that this advantage was taken away from her.
Like all those followers were synonymous to her having a right which entitled her a smooth run to the final.

In a way you can sort of understand it. It would be like BB giving a pass to the final for a housemate, and then BB taking that right away from them and making them vulnerable again by allowing another housemate to evict them.

I'm not saying that she actually did have a right, I'm just saying that I can understand why she felt a sense of entitlement. Because BB acted as a leveler and took away her advantage in one fell swoop.
As soon as BB devised that task it created an open playing field and every housemate was put on an equal footing. They were all treated as equals where fanbases meant absolutely nothing.

She failed because she relied on that Twitter following and thought that she didn't have to even bother forging any kind of relationship with Jason.
A cautionary tale for future housemates going in there who think that their popularity alone is enough for them and they don't have to give other people the time of day if they don't feel like it.
Bless You
26-07-2016
Presuming you are referring to Lateshya, Ryan and Charlie, well it's simple, they're entitled;
delusional, immature idiots.
Karen_Annanina
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Sure, it's been said that if she made an effort to get on with few others she might of stayed in. But what supposedly shows it's true in a way that makes her "crap" at "playing the game". Her success in getting very few nominations suggests that she made enough of an effort with almost all of them. That doesn't look like crap "playing the game" to me.”

Clearly she showed a lack of game playing acumen in antagonising Jason unnecessarily. He took it very .badly to be accused, apparently, of some kind of unspecified dishonesty. So she made an enemy and karma struck.
Darcyprincess
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Lateysha had already won BB in her mind, as soon as she walked down the stairs on launch night. She has a sense of entitlements which is simply breathtaking. No talent, just her own inflated opinion of how she looks. Deluded and pointless so she should make it as a Z lister then.

Ryan in a Klingon, ask Sam and Hughie, he is now Klingingon to Lateysha's bitter bandwagon, and Charlie is as mad as a box of frogs, rabbits are shuddering all over the country since she got out of the house.

Only those three are bitter, and they were bitter before they entered the BB house.”

Exactly this, even Laura said that certain housemates thought they were more deserving of being in the house and winning and I'm sure Lateysha was one of them she was talking about, plus her little crowd of bedroom bitches! These being Ryan, Sam and Georgina mainly and these are the most bitter!
Darcyprincess
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think Lateysha especially feels entitled because apparently she has 300k Twitter followers, and assumed that made her a shoe-in for the final. But found out that those 300k Twitter followers were ultimately of no use whatsoever to her and amounted to jack shit. She may well feel cheated that this advantage was taken away from her.
Like all those followers were synonymous to her having a right which entitled her a smooth run to the final.

In a way you can sort of understand it. It would be like BB giving a pass to the final for a housemate, and then BB taking that right away from them and making them vulnerable again by allowing another housemate to evict them.

I'm not saying that she actually did have a right, I'm just saying that I can understand why she felt a sense of entitlement. Because BB acted as a leveler and took away her advantage in one fell swoop.
As soon as BB devised that task it created an open playing field and every housemate was put on an equal footing. They were all treated as equals where fanbases meant absolutely nothing.

She failed because she relied on that Twitter following and thought that she didn't have to even bother forging any kind of relationship with Jason.
A cautionary tale for future housemates going in there who think that their popularity alone is enough for them and they don't have to give other people the time of day if they don't feel like it.”

But then on saying this, why did all these Twitter followers not vote Jason out last Friday when they had the chance? I wonder if she really did have such a big following! Lateysha made no effort with Jason, Andy, Chelsea and Laura and Evelyn to a degree! It was so good to see Lateysha go and then her bitches as well like Ryan and then Sam last night! Plus Georgina and Charlie going before her! Otherwise they would have picked off Jason, Andy, Laura and Evelyn one by one and it would have been a different final completely then!
Alrightmate
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Sure, it's been said that if she made an effort to get on with few others she might of stayed in. But what supposedly shows it's true in a way that makes her "crap" at "playing the game". Her success in getting very few nominations suggests that she made enough of an effort with almost all of them. That doesn't look like crap "playing the game" to me.”

In BB, especially in recent years, you have to account for BB twists.
In recent years we've seen housemates evict housemates on the spot.
You are either a naturally friendly person who gets on with people different to you quite well, or you use your abilities to graft them and pretend to them that you like them.

She failed because she saw housemates in groups of being 'strong' and 'weak'. If she liked you or you grovelled at her feet, you were strong. If you were outside of her close group and she didn't care for you much then you were weak. The haves and the have nots.
A flawed and divisive way of looking at people which cost her dearly.
A terrible observation too considering that the finalists are mostly made up of 'weak' housemates.

It came as a surprise to many housemates that Lateysha and Jason didn't gel.
But I saw it. There were one or two times in tasks where when Jason was doing something a little brief cutaway to Lateysha showed the clear disdain written all over her face which expressed what she thought of him. It was very clear too.
And because BB showed these brief cutaways I think they were genuinely trying to portray this. No big drama, no big scene, just a subtle nuance which you may otherwise not have noticed. Just a little shot of her scowling face and a sneer when Jason was talking or doing something with someone.
It was clear to me that she quite simply couldn't stand him, and to this day I have no idea why. But I spotted it.
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Yep, Georgina too, I just forgot about her.

I don't follow twitter, what's going on Veri?”

I don't follow any of them on Twitter, but a HM's followers tend to tell them how great they are, that they've been wronged by whatever got them out of the house, how awful the HMs they've clashed with are, and so on. Whenever I've looked at any of the ex-HM's timelines, that's been going on.

I think people often underestimate what a heady thing it can be to have 1000s of followers; and some have 10s of 1000s or more. Georgina, for example, currently has over 67,000. Ryan has over 47,000.

It's often thought there isn't much fame to be had from BB any more, but having 10s of 1000s of followers is a significant degree of fame in itself.
AngeloftheNorth
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Why not Georgina? She seemed vindictive enough towards Evelyn.

BTW, it's interesting that no one's mentioning their Twitter following as a factor in how they're thinking now.”

Georgina seems happy enough with the old chestnut of blaming the editing.
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Karen_Annanina:
“Clearly she showed a lack of game playing acumen in antagonising Jason unnecessarily. He took it very .badly to be accused, apparently, of some kind of unspecified dishonesty. So she made an enemy and karma struck.”

There's no such thing as "karma". Do you believe some mysterious force led to BB deciding on that twist, or something?

And her comments on Jason might have looked like much better game-play if it hadn't been for the twist. Jason might even have been evicted by now.

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“...

She failed because she relied on that Twitter following and thought that she didn't have to even bother forging any kind of relationship with Jason.
A cautionary tale for future housemates going in there who think that their popularity alone is enough for them and they don't have to give other people the time of day if they don't feel like it.”

What are HMs supposed to do? Never be in a conflict with anyone because a random twist might come along and give that person the power to evict you? I can't think of any HMs who were popular here in the past who played it that way. Even Rachel would have been toast if Luke got the power to evict her.

Jason has had more HMs unhappy with him than Lateysha seemed to, yet he's been hailed as a great game player and Lateysha's supposedly a "crap" one.

It seems to me she "played the game" pretty well and was taken out by someone who thought her position was too strong for her to be defeated in any other way.
bluegroper
26-07-2016
Yeah I don't get it. And the producers should not of allowed it. I don't care what evicted HM's think they only hurt themselves being so bitter and after all it is a game!
teresagreen
26-07-2016
Even though Laura performed what can only be desribed as a porn show with Marco, she still thought she was entitled to stay to the end, and couldn't understand being nominated and not being saved. Same with Ryan- the most odious person there, who thought he should not have gone. What is it that they see in themselves that the viewers don't see?
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“In BB, especially in recent years, you have to account for BB twists.
In recent years we've seen housemates evict housemates on the spot.
You are either a naturally friendly person who gets on with people different to you quite well, or you use your abilities to graft them and pretend to them that you like them.”

That's a strategy that would have been despised here throughout most of BB history and would still be despised here if the "wrong" HM adopted it. See also my previous post. Even the beatific Rachel had some HMs who'd have evicted her.

I don't want to see BB full of "getalong" HMs who avoid all conflict for fear of random twists.

Besides, Lateysha had reached a position where most of the HMs wouldn't have evicted her. She was getting nearly no nominations. So even against a twist like the one that eliminated her, she was doing pretty well. For some twists, being on good terms with all the others might even work against you.

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“She failed because she saw housemates in groups of being 'strong' and 'weak'. If she liked you or you grovelled at her feet, you were strong. If you were outside of her close group and she didn't care for you much then you were weak. The haves and the have nots.
A flawed and divisive way of looking at people which cost her dearly.
A terrible observation too considering that the finalists are mostly made up of 'weak' housemates.”

Assuming that even is how she thought, the reason it "cost her dearly" is a random twist. If Jason had been taken out by the twist instead, would there be as many posts saying he'd been a "crap" player of the game and that his failure to get all of the other HMs on side had cost him dearly? I don't think so.

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“It came as a surprise to many housemates that Lateysha and Jason didn't gel.
But I saw it. There were one or two times in tasks where when Jason was doing something a little brief cutaway to Lateysha showed the clear disdain written all over her face which expressed what she thought of him. It was very clear too.
And because BB showed these brief cutaways I think they were genuinely trying to portray this. No big drama, no big scene, just a subtle nuance which you may otherwise not have noticed. Just a little shot of her scowling face and a sneer when Jason was talking or doing something with someone.
It was clear to me that she quite simply couldn't stand him, and to this day I have no idea why. But I spotted it.”

I think that in a different context you might be pointing out that when BB does that sort of cutting away it can be to create a misleading impression of what's going on. BB does use such tricks, after all. Show a HM doing someting; cut to an expression on a HM's face, and it will seem the expression was a reaction to what we just saw the other HM doing, even if it wasn't.

But if she couldn't stand Jason, perhaps there's a good reason. The expressions on his face have been pretty questionable at times.
JillyA
26-07-2016
And to some extent even Alex when he was evicted through the diary room said he didn't get it really (ie. why he wasn't popular and being evicted)> Another one who thought being good looking and Vicky Pattison's mate meant he was entitled to be a finalist. At least he was nice enough (if you don't count leading Evelyn on and using her when he wanted attention). I assume he was nice - other HMs said so - but frankly I couldn't understand a word he mumbled and therefore he might have been plotting the downfall of the western world.
Aimee
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze:
“The answer is in your thread title ..... They are ex housemates.”

This was going to be my answer.
Veri
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by teresagreen:
“Even though Laura performed what can only be desribed as a porn show with Marco, she still thought she was entitled to stay to the end, and couldn't understand being nominated and not being saved. Same with Ryan- the most odious person there, who thought he should not have gone. What is it that they see in themselves that the viewers don't see?”

What do you think shows Laura "thought she was entitled to stay to the end" or "couldn't understand being nominated and not being saved"?

That's certainly not how it seemed to me!

Originally Posted by JillyA:
“And to some extent even Alex when he was evicted through the diary room said he didn't get it really (ie. why he wasn't popular and being evicted)> Another one who thought being good looking and Vicky Pattison's mate meant he was entitled to be a finalist. At least he was nice enough (if you don't count leading Evelyn on and using her when he wanted attention). I assume he was nice - other HMs said so - but frankly I couldn't understand a word he mumbled and therefore he might have been plotting the downfall of the western world.”

How do you get from Alex not understanding why he was unpopular and being evicted to the idea that he "thought being good looking and Vicky Pattison's mate meant he was entitled to be a finalist"?
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