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#76 |
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Damn.. so my number (originally o2) is now at the mercy of o2's core network reliability?
Hm. That's less than inspiring
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#77 |
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Yay ! Just had my first ever EE to 02 HD call !
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Just had a call from a friend on Vodafone to my BT Mobile, definitely HD. About time too!
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Thanks, interesting !
Reading up on this, it seems in Portugal the caller receives a recorded message just before connection that the number they have dialed has been ported. What's the logic behind that ?! Here that wouldn't apply as end user charges are based on the original network assignment even if the number has been ported and now terminates on a different network. |
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A far better system. Are there any plans, however vague, that we might move to a central database system in the UK, or are we set to continue with the inefficient porting arrangements we currenty have?
Ofcom were ordered to think again and dropped the idea. Recently Ofcom has been consulting again about changing to a recipient led porting process and this might happen but there aren't any proposals for a common or central database system so it looks like we are stuck with the current indirect routing arrangements. |
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I don't know anything about that but if so, I'd guess it's to warn callers that charges for numbers that might previously have been on-net could be higher if they've been ported off-net.
Here that wouldn't apply as end user charges are based on the original network assignment even if the number has been ported and now terminates on a different network. |
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How does that work with those who still get Free Three to Three calls if one or both numbers had been ported to Three?
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Unlikely as Ofcom ordered it to be done in 2009 (along with changing from a donor led porting process to a recipient led one) due to the risk it poses in the event of network failure but the networks (except Three who supported the proposals) took legal action against Ofcom.
Ofcom were ordered to think again and dropped the idea. Recently Ofcom has been consulting again about changing to a recipient led porting process and this might happen but there aren't any proposals for a common or central database system so it looks like we are stuck with the current indirect routing arrangements. |
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Other than "too much effort" I can't think of a good reason why the telcos would oppose the idea. If I was a telco I'd be happy to see reduced demand for trunk capacity / signalling overheads since I'm not "tromboning" everything.
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@japaul I did not know any of this porting/HD stuff. Both brother and cousin have just gone from VF to EE. I'm (1996 / 0973) native Orange/EE (obviously, because I'm legendary), so if they call me it should be HD as there's no VF involvement, but if I call them HD might break? So even on a WC to WC call, my call will go from EE IMS to VF and then back again therefore f***ing everything up?
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@japaul I did not know any of this porting/HD stuff. Both brother and cousin have just gone from VF to EE. I'm (1996 / 0973) native Orange/EE (obviously, because I'm legendary), so if they call me it should be HD as there's no VF involvement, but if I call them HD might break? So even on a WC to WC call, my call will go from EE IMS to VF and then back again therefore f***ing everything up?
If you weren't on EE and called them, the call would go to VF first then to their phone on EE. |
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...I'm (1996 / 0973) native Orange/EE (obviously, because I'm legendary)...
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@japaul I did not know any of this porting/HD stuff. Both brother and cousin have just gone from VF to EE. I'm (1996 / 0973) native Orange/EE (obviously, because I'm legendary), so if they call me it should be HD as there's no VF involvement, but if I call them HD might break? So even on a WC to WC call, my call will go from EE IMS to VF and then back again therefore f***ing everything up?
Porting only causes a problem for cross net HD. Incidentally having an ex Orange EE number also seems to cause a few issues as in some respects it acts a bit like a ported number. So for instance a VF 3G to EE 3G call is likely to be HD if the EE number is from the T-Mobile range but has a lower chance of success it's from the Orange range of numbers. Presumably this is an issue EE will solve at some point. Another issue with HD between VF and EE is that it only works if EE is 3G. Currently the call isn't HD if EE is on volte or wifi calling. Early days for cross net HD. Lots of issues to fix. |
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March '95 0973 here - you can look forward to your 21st card from Hans Snook!
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I am now able to use HD Voice between EE and O2 when the following are true
EE VoLTE -> O2 3G = Yes EE VoWiFi -> O2 3G = Yes EE 3G -> O2 3G = Yes EE 2G -> O2 3G = No I was just on the phone to someone on O2 and we had to keep recalling because the audio was not usable - it was an HD voice call and the call quality was inaudible for the person listening on the O2 side. I know that the other person has very strong O2 2G/3G/4G coverage in their area, of course O2 doesn't have VoLTE but it shows that they are in a well covered area. We tried the call over EE VoLTE -> O2 3G = Still sounded stuttery EE VoWifi -> O2 3G = Same Problem I feel like this was a problem with O2's network on the other end, or was it with the cross carrier connection? But i've never had issues calling this person when they are in this location before? Is the call quality not being lowered when the network is under load in that area? |
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March '95 0973 here - you can look forward to your 21st card from Hans Snook!
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I presume it's too much to expect international HD calls at present ?
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I presume it's too much to expect international HD calls at present ?
I'd love this but presumably we'd need IP interconnect across international carriers - I'll assume that's what's just happened in the U.K. I can't see it happening internationally for a while unfortunately |
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I'd love this but presumably we'd need IP interconnect across international carriers - I'll assume that's what's just happened in the U.K. I can't see it happening internationally for a while unfortunately
Maybe with the ongoing absorption of EE into BT, we'll see them using stuff like this too |
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This stuff is happening. e.g. this product from BT Global Service is used by many telcos to do IP interconnects: http://www.globalservices.bt.com/gtm...al_ip_exchange
Maybe with the ongoing absorption of EE into BT, we'll see them using stuff like this too |
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How does that work with those who still get Free Three to Three calls if one or both numbers had been ported to Three?
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I've definitely been receiving HD calls recently from EE (originally Orange) numbers to my 3 (originally T-Mobile) number. I think I've been able to make them too.
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My number's currently on 3 and was originally a Vodafone number and have noticed that most people I phone who are on other networks have HD voice now. It's pretty good, and the difference in sound quality is night and day.
. But whenever they phone me, it isn't always HD. Does anyone find this happens? |
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My number's currently on 3 and was originally a Vodafone number and have noticed that most people I phone who are on other networks have HD voice now. It's pretty good, and the difference in sound quality is night and day.
. But whenever they phone me, it isn't always HD. Does anyone find this happens? |
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Another issue with HD between VF and EE is that it only works if EE is 3G. Currently the call isn't HD if EE is on volte or wifi calling.
Early days for cross net HD. Lots of issues to fix. |
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