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Old 05-08-2016, 17:27
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Dont worry Peter it was agreed i would attend on his part!
I'm sure he won't mind, Casinoman, and at least you won't keep boring my other guests to tears about flaming Portsmouth!
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:28
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Indeed he is, amazingly he has chosen this over attending my annual barbecue!
Hope you didn't send his invite to Charles Sale by accident.

It's not on this Saturday, they are starting it with the Premier League thus ignoring the EFL kickoff.
I think the question was more around future weeks - and I did wonder it too. I assume the scores show will be at BT Towers in the aircraft hanger studio so if he's on the BT show it leaves him a bit tight for time to reach a studio for 606. Feasible maybe but seems quite tight for time.

Similar with Pougatch on CL nights when ITV have highlights.

I suppose, but they certainly aren't every week of the season. I think the situation we have now, where we get MOTD2 moved to Monday for matches of huge signifiance, is probably the best way to do it, because the Monday matches often aren't particularly spectacular - especially given they mostly do them in Champions League weeks and they can't have any Champions League teams in them. Whereas we have Sunday matches every week of the season and they're usually big games.
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It just seems a bit odd to me that since we get Sunday games why BBC don't do the Monday games? You rightly say Monday games aren't often the biggest and Sunday games often are but being a pedant it just feels odd that there are those 10 or so games where there won't be highlights on MOTD.
That said it's probably more hassle then it's worth. Roping in 2 pundits and also finding a presenter for one commentary etc. all for what would probably be a 30-minute show.

And it's not as if presenters would be hugely available - Dan Walker obviously has Breakfast, 5Live seem to rely on Chapman a lot (along with Kelly Cates) and I imagine Lineker and Logan don't exactly come cheap.


The Friday Night games will almost certainly be covered on the Saturday MOTD I'd imagine.

As someone who didn't see it and knows it's fondly looked back on in this thread, what was different between Football Matters and all the other audience based football shows we've had?

The likes of SNF, Five's Football League show and the Premiership on Monday have all been criticised partly for having an audience so what worked with Football Matters that didn't with those? I assume the presenters helped -James Richardson and the lovely Rebecca Lowe are both fantastic football presenters - but it can't have just been the presenters.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:39
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You rightly say Monday games aren't often the biggest and Sunday games often are but being a pedant it just feels odd that there are those 10 or so games where there won't be highlights on MOTD.
There are now 18 Monday night games - or technically a minimum of 18 - it could be marginally more.

So it's actually over 50% of weekends - 18 out of 33 - or 18 out of 32 ignoring the final day.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:40
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My invite must still be in the post
I posted it to you a long time ago, Cook........... via the.Southern Raiways guaranteed same year delivery service.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:41
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Can anyone set out what Pougatch is still doing for R5L?

He'll be working for BT every Saturday (excluding international breaks) and he'll be working for ITV on internationals (varying days) + midweek for the CL and EL.

Also won't he have a clash on Saturdays during the Six Nations - which he also does for ITV? I wonder whether ITV or BT will take precedence on these days - if I had to guess I would say ITV.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:44
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[quote=BFGArmy;83455723]Hope you didn't send his invite to Charles Sale by accident.


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I was discussing our Charlie's column with other broadcasters only recently.
Curiously, it seems it is NOT universally popular!
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:44
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I agree we should all wait and see. Who would have thought their CL goals programme would be such a success? In fact I would say was the best part of their coverage last season. I think it is fair to say we all wrote G Neville off when was announced be joining Sky but look how that turned out.
Granted on the Gary Neville announcement but I think quite a few on here actually predicted the Goals Show would be good.

The difference I think between the Goals Show and this Score programme is that the Goals Show offered something different and was a contrast to what we'll get on Soccer Special on Sky. Whereas this Score program from the description sounds Soccer Saturday-lite.
It might not necessarily be a disaster but I can't see it being a huge success either unless there's something I'm missing.

Harry Kewell's the wildcard in that line-up - not seen much of him as a pundit so not sure what he'll be like on the show.

Hope I'm wrong though - we all win if this Score programme is good as it'l keep Sky on their toes and Soccer Saturday as much as I love it does seem to have got a bit predictable and stale. Not that that's a bad thing or should mean huge changes for Soccer Saturday mind - it's popular for a reason - but some small tweaks shouldn't ruin the show.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:51
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Can anyone set out what Pougatch is still doing for R5L?

He'll be working for BT every Saturday (excluding international breaks) and he'll be working for ITV on internationals (varying days) + midweek for the CL and EL.

Also won't he have a clash on Saturdays during the Six Nations - which he also does for ITV? I wonder whether ITV or BT will take precedence on these days - if I had to guess I would say ITV.
Pougatch said he is doing midweeks for 5Live on Twitter a while back.

The only issue there being as you say CL highlights on ITV during midweeks - and the CL action is probably the main sport on midweeks most weeks.

He's certainly busy that's for sure.
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Old 05-08-2016, 18:11
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Andy Hinchcliffe co-commentator tonight. Steve McClaren and Beagrie with Scott Minto in the studio.
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Old 05-08-2016, 18:54
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Old 05-08-2016, 19:22
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Andy Hinchcliffe co-commentator tonight. Steve McClaren and Beagrie with Scott Minto in the studio.
To confirm.

Fulham Vs Newcastle

Scott Minto presenting (currently on the pitch) with Steve McLaren, Peter Beagrie and Ian Holloway.

Andy Hinchcliffe, invision from the gantry, went over team news.
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Old 05-08-2016, 19:28
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Old 05-08-2016, 19:47
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To confirm.

Fulham Vs Newcastle

Scott Minto presenting (currently on the pitch) with Steve McLaren, Peter Beagrie and Ian Holloway.

Andy Hinchcliffe, invision from the gantry, went over team news.
The 5Live commentary having a bit of a BT feel - Jermaine Jenas joining the already announced Darren Fletcher.

Though at this point, it's probably easier to list people that the BBC and BT don't share.

The thread will be pleased to hear we've had our first 'Fletch' from Jermaine already.

Slightly off topic but a slight change in the BT graphics in recent days. Similar style of DOG but now much more transparent and looks rather nice on screen.
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Old 05-08-2016, 20:03
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Although with Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea not in the CL there's a better chance of big Monday nights games this year.
Yeah, but Sky have always tended to use Mondays very much for quota filling. One of the reasons why they make so much of the punditry on Monday Night Football is because the matches themselves are often quite weak, and not that big a draw. There is scope for bigger games this season but they will still need to do some contractual obligation fare and Monday is often the best slot to do them because there are other attractions on the programme, plus you're appealing far more to hardcore fans as casual fans are often lured away by the soaps and that, unlike at the weekend.

It just seems a bit odd to me that since we get Sunday games why BBC don't do the Monday games? You rightly say Monday games aren't often the biggest and Sunday games often are but being a pedant it just feels odd that there are those 10 or so games where there won't be highlights on MOTD.
That said it's probably more hassle then it's worth. Roping in 2 pundits and also finding a presenter for one commentary etc. all for what would probably be a 30-minute show.
Well, yeah, and it's the same sort of argument as to why they don't do highlights of midweek Football League games. On a Monday, even if it was allowed, you'd be coming on much sooner after the final whistle so it would all be a bit frantic to put together and it would be a bit rough and ready. In addition, the usual length of a highlights edit on Match of the Day is nearer ten minutes, so you'd either have a much, much longer edit than any other game they show over the weekend, which would be grim if it was a 0-0, or long punditry, but there might not be much to say and they can barely show the weekend's goals again, or it would have to be a very short show which would be a waste of time.

I mean, if the will was there they could do it, because they sometimes do it for the FA Cup, but at the end of the day, they're not showing the Premier League out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to get ratings, and if they don't think enough people would want to watch it, it would be a waste of money. Certainly even if I didn't have Sky, I probably wouldn't bother watching it unless it was Liverpool or absolutely massive. You don't get highlights of the odd rescheduled game in midweek either, but over the course of the season and across the Beeb you can stay informed even if you don't get to see exhaustive highlights of all 380 matches.

As someone who didn't see it and knows it's fondly looked back on in this thread, what was different between Football Matters and all the other audience based football shows we've had?

The likes of SNF, Five's Football League show and the Premiership on Monday have all been criticised partly for having an audience so what worked with Football Matters that didn't with those? I assume the presenters helped -James Richardson and the lovely Rebecca Lowe are both fantastic football presenters - but it can't have just been the presenters.
Well, I didn't watch Football Matters, I'm afraid, and I wonder if it mostly escaped the ire because so few people watched it, whereas the other shows were very high profile. It depends what you use the audience for, doesn't it? In Saturday Night Football, and probably Football League Tonight, the problem was they were so barely used they may as well not have been there. Certainly the audience was probably the least of Saturday Night Football's problems given that last season without them, if anything it was worse. As for the Premiership Parliament, they spent too much time on awkward banter.

I mean, there probably is a role for a football show with an audience, for something like a sporting time of Question Time. But there has to be a reason for them to be there, not just an audience for audience's sakes.
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Old 05-08-2016, 20:03
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To confirm.

Fulham Vs Newcastle

Scott Minto presenting (currently on the pitch) with Steve McLaren, Peter Beagrie and Ian Holloway.

Andy Hinchcliffe, invision from the gantry, went over team news.
Just to round out, it's Daniel Mann commentating and David Craig as reporter.

No graphical changes at all since last season on the coverage, although there are new titles with the EFL rebrand.
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Old 05-08-2016, 20:15
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Just to round out, it's Daniel Mann commentating and David Craig as reporter.

No graphical changes at all since last season on the coverage, although there are new titles with the EFL rebrand.
Not too sure who is on the world feed but he sounds like Richard Keys in his local radio days! World feed using new EFL graphics.
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Old 05-08-2016, 20:49
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Slightly off topic but a slight change in the BT graphics in recent days. Similar style of DOG but now much more transparent and looks rather nice on screen.
Yeah basically the black bar has been removed from the DOG.

Also where is the 544 new threads about BT's home of European football being absorbed into a normal channel... al la Sky?!
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Old 05-08-2016, 20:58
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Well, I didn't watch Football Matters, I'm afraid, and I wonder if it mostly escaped the ire because so few people watched it, whereas the other shows were very high profile. It depends what you use the audience for, doesn't it? In Saturday Night Football, and probably Football League Tonight, the problem was they were so barely used they may as well not have been there. Certainly the audience was probably the least of Saturday Night Football's problems given that last season without them, if anything it was worse. As for the Premiership Parliament, they spent too much time on awkward banter.

I mean, there probably is a role for a football show with an audience, for something like a sporting time of Question Time. But there has to be a reason for them to be there, not just an audience for audience's sakes.
Football Matters was chiefly a football discussion programme (it showed the odd highlights edit and feature from what I remember, but largely it was studio-based talk), so it's probably as close to a footballing version of Question Time that I can remember. The audience seemed to be well selected and asked sensible questions of the guests, so it worked fairly well. I know it will have had a small viewing audience so won't have received as much criticism as other shows had it been bad, but I think at the time it aired it was generally very well received. Perhaps this was largely because it was just a show in its own right doing something different, rather than them trying to incorporate a studio audience into coverage of a live game or a mainstream highlights show that for many is the first port of call to see the action. For that reason, this sort of format is probably best for sports-dedicated channels who have the airtime to introduce such a programme to compliment their existing frontline live coverage and highlights.
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Old 05-08-2016, 21:12
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Did you know that Newcastle should have had a penalty?

Andy Hinchcliffe hasn't mentioned it much...
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:46
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:40
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Old 06-08-2016, 13:41
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Not too sure who is on the world feed but he sounds like Richard Keys in his local radio days! World feed using new EFL graphics.
Martin Fisher was on the world feed last night. here's what the new EFL world feed graphics package looks like - a lot like the old PL world feed graphics packagehttp://imgur.com/a/SW4Ki
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Old 06-08-2016, 13:47
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From an interview she's done with an Irish website that Hayley McQueen has just linked to on Twitter, it suggests that she will be presenting Match Choice on Saturday nights this season and not Sarah Jane Mee.
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Old 06-08-2016, 16:00
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From an interview she's done with an Irish website that Hayley McQueen has just linked to on Twitter, it suggests that she will be presenting Match Choice on Saturday nights this season and not Sarah Jane Mee.
I suppose that's down to her already being in the studio from the 3pm game being shown in Ireland.
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Old 06-08-2016, 17:18
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Ian Darke & Stewart Robson are commentating on Liverpool v Barcelona on ESPN USA
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