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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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Ian Darke has confirmed he is doing Burnley V Man City for BT Sport, that leaves Darren Fletcher with Chelsea V Spurs.
Italian Serie A - Atalanta v Roma:
BT Sport 3 - Jon Champion and Chris Perry
German Bundesliga - Hoffenheim v Hamburg:
BT Sport 2 - Simon Brotherton and Don Hutchison
BT Sport 3 - Jon Champion and Chris Perry
German Bundesliga - Hoffenheim v Hamburg:
BT Sport 2 - Simon Brotherton and Don Hutchison
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
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Interesting people seem to whinge about Sky graphics, I haven't seem them so can't comment. Maybe just testing things and it will calm down soon. Sky in the past, even if you go back to 1992, have launched new ideas & gone overboard and then calmed down. Look how MNF started with fireworks & cheerleaders before eventually developing into the Keys/Gray show and how OTT Keys used to dress.”
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Interesting people seem to whinge about Sky graphics, I haven't seem them so can't comment. Maybe just testing things and it will calm down soon. Sky in the past, even if you go back to 1992, have launched new ideas & gone overboard and then calmed down. Look how MNF started with fireworks & cheerleaders before eventually developing into the Keys/Gray show and how OTT Keys used to dress.”
Graphics aren't new... You've probably seen them before your move etc they aren't much different. The Sky graphics are the same shell since 2007 basically when they had the short-lived bottom scorebar etc. The more recent ones have been around for 4-5 years, with added 'gloss effects / minor style change' at the beginning of last season.
Premier League - Middlesbrough v Chelsea (Sky Sports 1):
David Jones presenting from the Riverside Stadium with Mark Schwarzer and George Boateng. Geoff Shreeves reporting.
Commentators - Rob Hawthorne and Niall Quinn
David Jones presenting from the Riverside Stadium with Mark Schwarzer and George Boateng. Geoff Shreeves reporting.
Commentators - Rob Hawthorne and Niall Quinn
Originally Posted by The Lizard:
“Premier League - Middlesbrough v Chelsea (Sky Sports 1):
David Jones presenting from the Riverside Stadium with Mark Schwarzer and George Boateng. Geoff Shreeves reporting.
Commentators - Rob Hawthorne and Niall Quinn”
“Premier League - Middlesbrough v Chelsea (Sky Sports 1):
David Jones presenting from the Riverside Stadium with Mark Schwarzer and George Boateng. Geoff Shreeves reporting.
Commentators - Rob Hawthorne and Niall Quinn”
I enjoyed the punditry pre-match from these two. Nice to hear some different voices sometimes. No SSN graphics today so maybe they're just for Saturday games (or better still have been scrapped
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Brighton vs Villa - Introduced by Scott Minto with Peter Beagrie and Liam Rosenior, commentary by Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe
Man U vs Arsenal - Introduced by Simon Thomas with Ryan Giggs, Thierry Henry and Graeme Souness, commentary by Martin Tyler and Gary Neville
Forest Green vs Lincoln - Introduced by Matt Smith with Gary Brabin and Kevin Davies, commentary by Adam Summerton and Adam Virgo
Spurs vs West Ham - Introduced by Jake Humphrey with Rio Ferdinand and Harry Redknapp, commentary by Darren Fletcher, Owen Hargreaves and Glenn Hoddle
Ipswich vs Forest - Introduced by Kelly Cates with David Johnson and David Prutton, commentary by Gary Weaver and Don Goodman
Leeds vs Newcastle - Introduced by Scott Minto with Ross McCormack, commentary by Bill Leslie and David Prutton
Middlesbrough vs Chelsea - Introduced by Dave Jones with George Boateng and Mark Schwarzer, commentary by Ron Hawthorne and Niall Quinn
Well, of course they did use it on Saturday Night Football for a bit, and to my mind, it could have worked in this context, because I have thought that the hour-long build-up on Saturday lunchtime does drag a bit and it would be worthwhile talking about the day's other fixtures, which this would have allowed them to do. Unfortunately other than sticking the fixtures and a bit of team news in the ticker, they didn't actually do any of that. But it could have worked like that, maybe. Maybe it will when they have a dull quota filler in that slot.
Of course, the time that set-up might actually have been useful was after three o'clock because of course the coverage continued until 3.15, and it would have actually been useful to have the scores and teleprinter on then so they could continue the analysis while also bringing us news and scores from the 3pm matches. But of course they didn't do it then. Presumably there are technical reasons why they couldn't just port it across, but surely if there's a time to have a ticker, it's then.
Actually I was wondering about that, I could well imagine quite a lot of the pub audience assuming it was Sky Sports News. It's alright on other sports because it doesn't have as big a pub audience but I can imagine it being confusing in that context.
The BT thing it actually reminds me most of was that stupid idea they had very early on when they had that on screen ticker for the whole of injury time in their live games with the team news on, so you were totally distracted for the last five minutes of the match by "HULL are UNCHANGED" constantly scrolling across the screen. They soon got rid of that.
Some of this is just graphics for graphics' sake, like how they took the opportunity with HD to make the graphics smaller, for no real reason. I prefer the Final Score graphics to Soccer Saturday because they're bigger and clearer and easier to read.
There is that, hyping up Man U matches don't help with criticism of big club bias. Of course we also had the first Friday Night Football which had that enormous montage which ended with "Manchester United live on Sky Sports!" and to hell with the opposition.
Well, despite these exhaustive timings, it actually ended at 4.55 on BBC1 and was dumped back on the red button because the tennis had overrun and couldn't continue on BBC2 because the live rugby was about to kick off. Bit of a traffic jam of live sport, there.
I must say, I did enjoy Alan Green's commentary on Everton vs Swansea yesterday - his catchphrase "Goodness gracious!" twice in quick succession, plus that bit where Phil Jagielka conceded the penalty and he said "Phil knows it! Gylfi knows it!" which really made me chuckle. I really enjoy Green's telly commentaries, much more than I do his radio commentaries probably.
Man U vs Arsenal - Introduced by Simon Thomas with Ryan Giggs, Thierry Henry and Graeme Souness, commentary by Martin Tyler and Gary Neville
Forest Green vs Lincoln - Introduced by Matt Smith with Gary Brabin and Kevin Davies, commentary by Adam Summerton and Adam Virgo
Spurs vs West Ham - Introduced by Jake Humphrey with Rio Ferdinand and Harry Redknapp, commentary by Darren Fletcher, Owen Hargreaves and Glenn Hoddle
Ipswich vs Forest - Introduced by Kelly Cates with David Johnson and David Prutton, commentary by Gary Weaver and Don Goodman
Leeds vs Newcastle - Introduced by Scott Minto with Ross McCormack, commentary by Bill Leslie and David Prutton
Middlesbrough vs Chelsea - Introduced by Dave Jones with George Boateng and Mark Schwarzer, commentary by Ron Hawthorne and Niall Quinn
Originally Posted by The Wanderer:
“I think the L shape on Sky earlier wasn't the worst idea in the world. Possibly not the best sort of day to have it on - I think on a midweek where there would be a few games on, or if they still had Saturday Night Football, they could probably shove more stats on there and headlines from other games. As mentioned it's been used on tennis and rugby league for a while”
“I think the L shape on Sky earlier wasn't the worst idea in the world. Possibly not the best sort of day to have it on - I think on a midweek where there would be a few games on, or if they still had Saturday Night Football, they could probably shove more stats on there and headlines from other games. As mentioned it's been used on tennis and rugby league for a while”
Well, of course they did use it on Saturday Night Football for a bit, and to my mind, it could have worked in this context, because I have thought that the hour-long build-up on Saturday lunchtime does drag a bit and it would be worthwhile talking about the day's other fixtures, which this would have allowed them to do. Unfortunately other than sticking the fixtures and a bit of team news in the ticker, they didn't actually do any of that. But it could have worked like that, maybe. Maybe it will when they have a dull quota filler in that slot.
Of course, the time that set-up might actually have been useful was after three o'clock because of course the coverage continued until 3.15, and it would have actually been useful to have the scores and teleprinter on then so they could continue the analysis while also bringing us news and scores from the 3pm matches. But of course they didn't do it then. Presumably there are technical reasons why they couldn't just port it across, but surely if there's a time to have a ticker, it's then.
Originally Posted by Motthus:
“My friend is in the pub and he text me to say that people are shouting at the bar staff to turn over from Sky Sports News to the football!”
“My friend is in the pub and he text me to say that people are shouting at the bar staff to turn over from Sky Sports News to the football!”
Actually I was wondering about that, I could well imagine quite a lot of the pub audience assuming it was Sky Sports News. It's alright on other sports because it doesn't have as big a pub audience but I can imagine it being confusing in that context.
The BT thing it actually reminds me most of was that stupid idea they had very early on when they had that on screen ticker for the whole of injury time in their live games with the team news on, so you were totally distracted for the last five minutes of the match by "HULL are UNCHANGED" constantly scrolling across the screen. They soon got rid of that.
Some of this is just graphics for graphics' sake, like how they took the opportunity with HD to make the graphics smaller, for no real reason. I prefer the Final Score graphics to Soccer Saturday because they're bigger and clearer and easier to read.
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“It doesn't help that all the games they have nicked are all games involving Manchester United, 'Reunited' sounds incredibly biased to Man United as well.”
“It doesn't help that all the games they have nicked are all games involving Manchester United, 'Reunited' sounds incredibly biased to Man United as well.”
There is that, hyping up Man U matches don't help with criticism of big club bias. Of course we also had the first Friday Night Football which had that enormous montage which ended with "Manchester United live on Sky Sports!" and to hell with the opposition.
Originally Posted by luketwill:
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14:30-17:25 - BBC Red Button, BBC Sport Website & BBC Sport App
16:30-17:00 - BBC One in Northern Ireland
16:30-17:25 - BBC One in England & Wales”
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BBC Final Score - Saturday 19th November
TV Times:14:30-17:25 - BBC Red Button, BBC Sport Website & BBC Sport App
16:30-17:00 - BBC One in Northern Ireland
16:30-17:25 - BBC One in England & Wales”
Well, despite these exhaustive timings, it actually ended at 4.55 on BBC1 and was dumped back on the red button because the tennis had overrun and couldn't continue on BBC2 because the live rugby was about to kick off. Bit of a traffic jam of live sport, there.
I must say, I did enjoy Alan Green's commentary on Everton vs Swansea yesterday - his catchphrase "Goodness gracious!" twice in quick succession, plus that bit where Phil Jagielka conceded the penalty and he said "Phil knows it! Gylfi knows it!" which really made me chuckle. I really enjoy Green's telly commentaries, much more than I do his radio commentaries probably.
French Ligue 1 - Saint-Etienne v Nice:
BT Sport 3 - Jonathan Pearce and Adam Virgo
Spanish La Liga - Athletic Bilbao v Villarreal
Sky Sports 5 - Kevin Keatings and Terry Gibson
Italian Serie A - AC Milan v Inter Milan:
BT Sport 2 - Dave Farrar and Richard Hughes
BT Sport 3 - Jonathan Pearce and Adam Virgo
Spanish La Liga - Athletic Bilbao v Villarreal
Sky Sports 5 - Kevin Keatings and Terry Gibson
Italian Serie A - AC Milan v Inter Milan:
BT Sport 2 - Dave Farrar and Richard Hughes
Just a quick word about Martin Allen - he was terrific on Channel 5 last night. Really knows his stuff.
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“Ian Darke has confirmed he is doing Burnley V Man City for BT Sport, that leaves Darren Fletcher with Chelsea V Spurs.”
“Ian Darke has confirmed he is doing Burnley V Man City for BT Sport, that leaves Darren Fletcher with Chelsea V Spurs.”
Dont forget as well he has Spurs this Tuesday followed by Man Utd Thursday
This week for Phil Blacker:
Tues 22nd Nov - Borussia Dortmund v Legia Warsaw for Uefa World Feed
Thurs 24th Nov - Ajax v Panathinaikos for Uefa World Feed
Sat 26th Nov - Swansea City v Crystal Palace for Sky Sports Match Choice and world feed
Tues 22nd Nov - Borussia Dortmund v Legia Warsaw for Uefa World Feed
Thurs 24th Nov - Ajax v Panathinaikos for Uefa World Feed
Sat 26th Nov - Swansea City v Crystal Palace for Sky Sports Match Choice and world feed
Well, I have to say that by the time Man Utd v Arsenal came around I was so sick and tired of Sky's over-promotion that I was utterly bored of it all before it even began. As if the coverage throughout the week wasn't enough, there was a dedicated programme on Sky Sports News prior to the match. I don't have much sporting interest besides football but often wonder how cricket/rugby/tennis fans etc feel about 24/7 football coverage with respect to tuning in to SSN.
Already an overwhelming negative reaction to the Sky Sports News style graphics but I'll add my voice as well. They spent the entire week building the game up on SSN and then when the game finally arrives, they give us more of the same. Different stuff on "the L" admittedly, but it is distracting like you say and takes people's focus away from what people are saying.
As for Giggs, I was pleasantly surprised to see him show up towards the end of ITV's coverage at the Euro's, but ever since then he has been used here there and everywhere and I don't think he adds anything.
Haha, I think that says it all. Well done Sky.
I would imagine that people questioning "what's all this 'ReUnited' stuff about?" would have been going on in households and pubs across the country as well.
Agree with all of this. Don't give a toss about the app. They can tell me about it another million times, I still won't be interested. Not only do they tell us about it before and after the game, but during it as well! Give it a rest.
I have never been a fan of the graphics running through the two teams just as the second half gets underway, coupled with annoying sound effects. Plus, if something happens straight away it makes them look silly. I think a goal was scored last season before they could finish doing it - serves them right. Besides, people can find out who's playing if they have just tuned in by actually WATCHING THE GAME.
The promotion of films and TV series has been going on for so long now I've kind of got used to it but I remember at the beginning it seemed very out of place. The presenter talking about anything else other than football or other upcoming sporting events is just plain odd.
I like BT's graphics so hopefully any changes won't be too substantial.
Nope, not a fan of either Hoddle or Hargreaves in the commentary box.
Undoubtedly the reason why we are having to put up with this nonsense, but they need to be careful they don't turn customers away. Extremely annoyed with the goings-on at the moment.
Originally Posted by CardioCortez:
“These are absolutely awful and incredibly distracting. Sky need to get rid as soon as possible. What an awful addition to their coverage!
What's with the obsession of everybody using Ryan Giggs on punditry too? He added very little on ITV the last week. Makes very basic points. Suppose he's better than Yorke.”
“These are absolutely awful and incredibly distracting. Sky need to get rid as soon as possible. What an awful addition to their coverage!
What's with the obsession of everybody using Ryan Giggs on punditry too? He added very little on ITV the last week. Makes very basic points. Suppose he's better than Yorke.”
Already an overwhelming negative reaction to the Sky Sports News style graphics but I'll add my voice as well. They spent the entire week building the game up on SSN and then when the game finally arrives, they give us more of the same. Different stuff on "the L" admittedly, but it is distracting like you say and takes people's focus away from what people are saying.
As for Giggs, I was pleasantly surprised to see him show up towards the end of ITV's coverage at the Euro's, but ever since then he has been used here there and everywhere and I don't think he adds anything.
Originally Posted by Motthus:
“This looks terrible and will make people think it's Sky Sports News
We pay extra for Sky Sports yet now they want to turn it into Sky Sports News!
My friend is in the pub and he text me to say that people are shouting at the bar staff to turn over from Sky Sports News to the football!”
“This looks terrible and will make people think it's Sky Sports News
We pay extra for Sky Sports yet now they want to turn it into Sky Sports News!
My friend is in the pub and he text me to say that people are shouting at the bar staff to turn over from Sky Sports News to the football!”
Haha, I think that says it all. Well done Sky.
I would imagine that people questioning "what's all this 'ReUnited' stuff about?" would have been going on in households and pubs across the country as well.
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“I've slammed BT in the past for their constant over promotion but Sky have now eclipsed them and are far worse lately. I find watching matches on Sky totally irritating at the moment due to the amount of on-screen clutter and over promotion.
Firstly Sky's graphics are poor and dated anyway. The shiny look belongs in the past. Then there's the unnecessary and distracting on-screen graphics during games. How many times do they have to tell us about their Score Centre app? Then there's the "Sky Q 2TB viewers can watch in Ultra HD" message. I'm sure Sky Q viewers are well aware of that already as it'd be one of the main reasons they're paying for it. The team line-up graphics at the start of the second half with the players faces is needless and takes up a huge amount of space for no benefit. The SSN graphics really are the final straw. Half of the time it was advertising the game we were watching the build-up for anyway on he right panel. Oh and then there's the 3 ad break half-time. What's happened to them this season?
BT meanwhile have modern, slick and appropriately sized graphics. I enjoy Howard Webb's contributions too.”
“I've slammed BT in the past for their constant over promotion but Sky have now eclipsed them and are far worse lately. I find watching matches on Sky totally irritating at the moment due to the amount of on-screen clutter and over promotion.
Firstly Sky's graphics are poor and dated anyway. The shiny look belongs in the past. Then there's the unnecessary and distracting on-screen graphics during games. How many times do they have to tell us about their Score Centre app? Then there's the "Sky Q 2TB viewers can watch in Ultra HD" message. I'm sure Sky Q viewers are well aware of that already as it'd be one of the main reasons they're paying for it. The team line-up graphics at the start of the second half with the players faces is needless and takes up a huge amount of space for no benefit. The SSN graphics really are the final straw. Half of the time it was advertising the game we were watching the build-up for anyway on he right panel. Oh and then there's the 3 ad break half-time. What's happened to them this season?
BT meanwhile have modern, slick and appropriately sized graphics. I enjoy Howard Webb's contributions too.”
Agree with all of this. Don't give a toss about the app. They can tell me about it another million times, I still won't be interested. Not only do they tell us about it before and after the game, but during it as well! Give it a rest.
I have never been a fan of the graphics running through the two teams just as the second half gets underway, coupled with annoying sound effects. Plus, if something happens straight away it makes them look silly. I think a goal was scored last season before they could finish doing it - serves them right. Besides, people can find out who's playing if they have just tuned in by actually WATCHING THE GAME.
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Totally agreed with all the above.
In addition to the above you also have Sky promoting whatever's coming up in the next week on Sky Store/Sky Atlantic shortly after full-time. The presenters normally just about get away with it but it is slightly out of place.
I really like the BT graphics on the other hand- simple, classy and easy to apply to all their football coverage.
That said there are rumours BT's company logo may change and so I wouldn't be surprised if the BT graphics change next season.”
“Totally agreed with all the above.
In addition to the above you also have Sky promoting whatever's coming up in the next week on Sky Store/Sky Atlantic shortly after full-time. The presenters normally just about get away with it but it is slightly out of place.
I really like the BT graphics on the other hand- simple, classy and easy to apply to all their football coverage.
That said there are rumours BT's company logo may change and so I wouldn't be surprised if the BT graphics change next season.”
The promotion of films and TV series has been going on for so long now I've kind of got used to it but I remember at the beginning it seemed very out of place. The presenter talking about anything else other than football or other upcoming sporting events is just plain odd.
I like BT's graphics so hopefully any changes won't be too substantial.
Originally Posted by BelfastGuy125:
“The problem with BT for me is Glen Hoddle and to a lesser extent Owen Hargreaves.
Hargreaves is just -"Player x is terrific." over and over again. Every player he sees is the "best in the world" at a particular trait- passing, shooting, crossing etc. It gets so boring.”
“The problem with BT for me is Glen Hoddle and to a lesser extent Owen Hargreaves.
Hargreaves is just -"Player x is terrific." over and over again. Every player he sees is the "best in the world" at a particular trait- passing, shooting, crossing etc. It gets so boring.”
Nope, not a fan of either Hoddle or Hargreaves in the commentary box.
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“All of this hype might be because of the viewing figures decline, which I'm still to see whether match averages have changed or whether it's because the longer programs/time slot changes but Sky might be trying to draw viewers in.”
“All of this hype might be because of the viewing figures decline, which I'm still to see whether match averages have changed or whether it's because the longer programs/time slot changes but Sky might be trying to draw viewers in.”
Undoubtedly the reason why we are having to put up with this nonsense, but they need to be careful they don't turn customers away. Extremely annoyed with the goings-on at the moment.
Who guesses the Commentators on the other website, Alan smith is the co-comm not provan, and its Greg Whelan reporter, not Patrick Davidson they was on ssnhq
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell
Originally Posted by coventrywooo:
“Who guesses the Commentators on the other website, Alan smith is the co-comm not provan, and its Greg Whelan reporter, not Patrick Davidson they was on ssnhq
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell”
“Who guesses the Commentators on the other website, Alan smith is the co-comm not provan, and its Greg Whelan reporter, not Patrick Davidson they was on ssnhq
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell”
Before everybody jumps the blame game on me, I haven't been on the site this evening.
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“Before everybody jumps the blame game on me, I haven't been on the site this evening.”
“Before everybody jumps the blame game on me, I haven't been on the site this evening.”
At the same time, the fact you had to make that post at all probably suggests it's best you stop doing posts on here about coverage where you second guess who's involved and try to pass it off as the actual line-up.
And I mean that constructively. It makes it easier for all of us - you included.
Originally Posted by coventrywooo:
“Who guesses the Commentators on the other website, Alan smith is the co-comm not provan, and its Greg Whelan reporter, not Patrick Davidson they was on ssnhq
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell”
“Who guesses the Commentators on the other website, Alan smith is the co-comm not provan, and its Greg Whelan reporter, not Patrick Davidson they was on ssnhq
Chris Coleman with David and Jamie tonight aswell”
Don't know but whoever it is is a serial offender.
Funny thing is I added my own guesses today but it was only to test a new feature I've added. Turns out I was right with my prediction of the two Alan's in the commentary box but our friend here changed the lineup to something else. I assumed this had been changed based on fact, but someone actually went out of their way to override my (correct) predictions with their own! Farcical. Slap on the wrist to the culprit, you know who you are.
There is a commentators prediction competition thread if that's your bag.
For completeness:
Premier League - West Brom v Burnley (Sky Sports 1):
David Jones presented from the Monday Night Football Studio with Jamie Carragher and Chris Coleman. Greg Whelan reported from The Hawthorns.
Commentators - Alan Parry and Alan Smith
Also, the following matches played tonight:
German Bundesliga 2 - 1860 Munich v Kaiserslautern - BT Sport 1.
Spanish La Liga - Leganes v Osasuna - Sky Sports 2.
Does anyone know who the commentators were for the above matches please? Cheers!
Premier League - West Brom v Burnley (Sky Sports 1):
David Jones presented from the Monday Night Football Studio with Jamie Carragher and Chris Coleman. Greg Whelan reported from The Hawthorns.
Commentators - Alan Parry and Alan Smith
Also, the following matches played tonight:
German Bundesliga 2 - 1860 Munich v Kaiserslautern - BT Sport 1.
Spanish La Liga - Leganes v Osasuna - Sky Sports 2.
Does anyone know who the commentators were for the above matches please? Cheers!
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