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Old 07-08-2016, 15:17
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Surprised 'Mo' isn't up on the gantry although he might pop up there shortly. Savage is there for Leicester. Not sure what Humphrey was on about plugging Giggs. Unless he's on the commentary
Wouldn't be surprised if he went up to commentary - seems to be quite common on BT.
Don't rule Giggs out on commentary either probably.

Humphrey straight off the bat asking about why today is a good game to win. Way to make the game feel important Jake.
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Old 07-08-2016, 15:21
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Wouldn't be surprised if he went up to commentary - seems to be quite common on BT.
Don't rule Giggs out on commentary either probably.

Humphrey straight off the bat asking about why today is a good game to win. Way to make the game feel important Jake.
The killer twist is BT roll out David James pitch-side and send the dynamic duo of MO and Savage up to form a 3 man commentary with "Fletch."
It will probably be Owen on comms but don't rule out Giggs (on the basis of Humphrey tweet) or Hargreaves (BT's supposed main co-comm).

EDIT: Okay it's just a little snippet where Giggs pops up to the panel. I'll take a punt on Hargreaves.
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Old 07-08-2016, 15:28
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The killer twist is BT roll out David James pitch-side and send the dynamic duo of MO and Savage up to form a 3 man commentary with "Fletch."
It will probably be Owen on comms but don't rule out Giggs (on the basis of Humphrey tweet) or Hargreaves (BT's supposed main co-comm).
BT will have you know his name is Jamo.

I still think BT rate Mcmanaman quite highly so wouldn't be surprised if he were on commentary - especially since we know how much this thread enjoys the 'Fletch' and 'Macca' commentary team.

Given the rate BT got through co-commentators last season, I don't think we really have too much of a clue who BT's favoured co-commentators are. At times, I'm not sure they did/do either
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Old 07-08-2016, 15:33
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Thinking about it I wonder if Neville will have a role similar to Souness this season? I.e appears a lot and does nearly all the big games but isn't on every single weekend as before. It might explain why he's not doing every MNF.

Otherwise I'd guess he'll just be given the license to miss a few MNFs if they clash with other commitments and the announcement is just covering that. I'd be surprised if he was on every weekend but only did 2 or 3 MNFs.

Also I wouldn't really say Sky have made a song and dance about his return.
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Old 07-08-2016, 15:54
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FA Community Shield - Manchester United v Leicester (BT Sport 1/1HD)

Jake Humphrey presents pitchside alongside Rio Ferdinand, Robbie Savage and Michael Owen.

Commentators - Darren Fletcher and Steve McManaman

Reporter - Des Kelly
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Old 07-08-2016, 15:57
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I would agree there seems to be less of a fanfare then when he joined Sky for the first time, but then again it's hardly the biggest surprise in the world he's returning, in the same way it was no big deal when Alan Shearer returned to MOTD after his brief managerial stint a few seasons back.

The reason he's not billed as doing MNF may be down to his own choosing, if he has other things on some Monday's or because I imagine it probably involves more work than your average punditry contribution, given that they are looking back across the weekend in the detailed way they do. If it's Sky's choosing however, it may be because they're not sure he will be there for the long-term and thus it might be easier to commit to Carragher as the kind of 'lead pundit' (who I couldn't really see going into management anytime soon) for the show with Gary and occasionally perhaps the likes of Souness and Henry alongside him. It may well be Neville still does most of them but say for instance Arsenal were playing Liverpool, they may opt for Henry on that particular night and use Neville on commentary or indeed somewhere else on the weekend's coverage. It does give them a bit more flexibility with commentary rotas too I suppose.

As for over at BT... I believe Chris Hollins presented SportsHUB or Football Tonight (or whatever it was called at that point!) at its launch as well as Vassos Alexander, Fletcher and Hipgarve but haven't seen him on recently and never on live football.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:13
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I like the new BT graphics. Very simple and slick.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:19
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No graphical changes at all since last season on the coverage, although there are new titles with the EFL rebrand.
I'm sure there'll be at least new graphics on Sky this season, but they won't wheel them out until the start of the Premier League season. With a new deal, some new slots and new programme titles you would assume they'd give them a bit of a tweak at least.

Perhaps this was largely because it was just a show in its own right doing something different, rather than them trying to incorporate a studio audience into coverage of a live game or a mainstream highlights show that for many is the first port of call to see the action. For that reason, this sort of format is probably best for sports-dedicated channels who have the airtime to introduce such a programme to compliment their existing frontline live coverage and highlights.
Well, indeed, on other occasions they have just got in the way of the purpose of the programme. It's like when Sky have talked about all the different formats of their shows and saying it gives the viewer choice, but of course it doesn't because if you want to watch a live match you have to watch it in the format they give you.

Anyway, as far as the Football League on Five goes, of all the things they'd keep from last season I didn't think it would include that bloody awful theme tune. As mentioned, other than the arrival of Hipgrave it's more or less identical to how it ended last season - same set, same set-up, same suit for Michael Gray. Great bit when George and Lynsey both read the same sentence off the autocue in unison, and Lynsey slipped in some nice Mackem jokes to Michael Gray. I'm sure Simon Grayson will be delighted to have been included in their list of Young British Managers at the age of 46.

LIVE Vanarama National League (BT Sport 1 / BT Sport 4K UHD)
Maidstone United v York City

Presented from pitchside at The Gallagher Stadium by Natalie Quirk, joined by Adam Virgo, Chris Hargreaves and Kevin Davies.
Adam Summerton doubling up as reporter.

Commentators - Adam Summerton and Adam Virgo
And as you note, Matt Smith was not present, but he was tweeting about the match and that Natalie was doing it, as he has tweeted the news he's doing them this season. He appears to be on holiday at the moment, presumably he booked it before he got the job, or he's realised if he wants to make a grand entrance he should do it on their next game because it's a Wrexham match.

That was presumably BT's last football coverage to use their old graphics which have been there since day one. They didn't really work with the new DOG and seemingly nobody could work out which looked best (or least worst) because the DOG flitted from top to bottom of the screen and back again about five times during the programme.

Are we presuming Sky's Saturday Premier League games will be on-site for presentation or sticking with the SNF studio (obviously renamed)?
I'm sure we all hope and pray that they'll be from the ground. I seriously don't see why not, the point of the on-site studio was to have a huge audience and they won't be doing that this time. Presumably they've now had their money's worth from that set.

surprised they have brought in Rachel when they have all the SSN female presenters they could have used
But we don't know what Rachel's role will be yet. For whatever reason they've decided they want a new face and to take the coverage in a different direction. You could have said the same thing about when the Beeb got Adrian Chiles to do MOTD2, they had umpteen other sports presenters they could have used, but they wanted to go in a different direction and hire someone who hadn't done one before, and it worked extremely well for them. The same is true here, they don't have to limit themselves to internal appointments if they want to do something new.

It will presumably mean that quite often Rachel will be on two channels at once, especially if C4 show as many episodes of 8 Out Of 10 Cats Does Countdown as they did last year.

In other news, Ryan Giggs joining Ferdinand, Humphrey and co for the Community Shield today. Be interesting to see if he becomes BT's big signing this Summer after Neville's Sky return was announced.
Ah, but according to the Sunday People today, which as we know is the place to go for football on TV news as they were the first to break the news about Rachel Riley, Giggs is about to sign for ITV. Not to say he couldn't work for both like Scholes and Hoddle, of course.

Enjoyed Stelling's dig at BT's new show yesterday - hard to consider it as a credible result service when they miss the first weekend of the season.
Dont think it has been mentioned on here, but did anybody catch Jeff Stelling, Digging at BT Score yesterday.

If not around 2.30, he came out with well you can go to watch any score programme, but it doesn't start until next week.
Well, I'm sorry to say I thought this was awful and Stelling should not have done it. I think it's plain bad manners to use your show to slag off another broadcaster, it made him look petty and arrogant. Perhaps Jeff could have asked the regular pundits like Le Tissier and Charlie what they thought? Oh, he couldn't, because none of them were there because they're not back until next week. I see Stelling also couldn't trail their new Football League goals show at 8pm because that's not starting until next week either.

Stelling is too good a presenter to start shooting his mouth off about stuff that's none of his business. Reminds me of Richard Keys at his worst, and we know what happened to him. I'm sure it's all in fun, but I don't like it.

Chris Hollins - has he presented much for BT before? I know it's pre-season so various unusual personnel often appear and not much should be read into it but surprised to see him there.
He was on BT quite a lot in its early days when they used to have BT Sport Live most nights. But as you say, you can't read much into his role when not only is it pre-season but also the freelance pool is a bit shallow with loads of people in Rio. Of course, this time last season we had Paul Dempsey doing the Community Shield on BT.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:26
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After the Valencia 'fiasco', I'm not surprise Neville chose not to return 'full-time' to MNF. He'll be an easy target for managers now.

If it's returning, I hope they limit it mostly to just Sky pundits and a smaller rotating line-up.
Also, while I'll sound a bit of a misery saying this, the whole Sky 'I wonder how I'll wonder how we'll be able to handle them' stuff about Gary and Carragher is irritating me a tad.
They're football pundits who agree about an awful lot - the above makes them sound like they're wrestlers about to hit each with a steel chair each show. It just seems a bit forced.


Football today is all about profiles and storylines. The press love a thinly veiled Mourinho dig as much as a Pep swipe.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:31
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EFL: Championship - Sheffield Wednesday v Aston Villa:

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Old 07-08-2016, 16:35
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The reason he's not billed as doing MNF may be down to his own choosing, if he has other things on some Monday's or because I imagine it probably involves more work than your average punditry contribution, given that they are looking back across the weekend in the detailed way they do. If it's Sky's choosing however, it may be because they're not sure he will be there for the long-term and thus it might be easier to commit to Carragher as the kind of 'lead pundit' (who I couldn't really see going into management anytime soon) for the show with Gary and occasionally perhaps the likes of Souness and Henry alongside him. It may well be Neville still does most of them but say for instance Arsenal were playing Liverpool, they may opt for Henry on that particular night and use Neville on commentary or indeed somewhere else on the weekend's coverage. It does give them a bit more flexibility with commentary rotas too I suppose.
My guess is he will be on-site to co-commentate some of the bigger MNF clashes.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:37
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Martin Tyler and Stewart Robson at Wembley.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:43
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As I've done for several seasons, and because nobody's told me to stop, I'm going to continue posting all the presenters, pundits and commentators on the English (league and cup) football on TV over the weekend, so it's all in one place instead of in dribs and drabs. So here we go for another season...

Fulham vs Newcastle - Introduced by Scott Minto with Peter Beagrie, Ian Holloway and Steve McClaren, commentary by Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe
Maidstone vs York - Introduced by Natalie Quirk with Kevin Davies and Chris Hargreaves, commentary by Adam Summerton and Adam Virgo
QPR vs Leeds - Introduced by Scott Minto with Ian Holloway and David Prutton, commentary by Gary Weaver and Don Goodman
Leicester vs Man U - Introduced by Jake Humphrey with Rio Ferdinand, Michael Owen and Robbie Savage, commentary by Darren Fletcher and Steve McManaman
Sheff Wed vs Villa - Introduced by Scott Minto with Ian Holloway and Dean Saunders, commentary by Bill Leslie and Andy Hinchcliffe

I note Gary Weaver plugging the Capital One Cup earlier. That's actually a less memorable name than the one it has now.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:55
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BT Live/SportsHUB/ Football Tonight - that show was basically the football coverage equivalent of the Sugababes.

I'm sure we all hope and pray that they'll be from the ground. I seriously don't see why not, the point of the on-site studio was to have a huge audience and they won't be doing that this time. Presumably they've now had their money's worth from that set.

Well, I'm sorry to say I thought this was awful and Stelling should not have done it. I think it's plain bad manners to use your show to slag off another broadcaster, it made him look petty and arrogant. Perhaps Jeff could have asked the regular pundits like Le Tissier and Charlie what they thought? Oh, he couldn't, because none of them were there because they're not back until next week. I see Stelling also couldn't trail their new Football League goals show at 8pm because that's not starting until next week either.

Stelling is too good a presenter to start shooting his mouth off about stuff that's none of his business. Reminds me of Richard Keys at his worst, and we know what happened to him. I'm sure it's all in fun, but I don't like it.

He was on BT quite a lot in its early days when they used to have BT Sport Live most nights. But as you say, you can't read much into his role when not only is it pre-season but also the freelance pool is a bit shallow with loads of people in Rio. Of course, this time last season we had Paul Dempsey doing the Community Shield on BT.
Bit surprised that it wasn't Lynsey Hipgrave to be honest - especially since she did FLT last night and seems to present quite a lot of BT Football. But as said, it's pre-season so anyone and everyone can and do appear.

While I didn't see Stelling's thing to be fair to Jeff, BT are known to shoot their mouths off a fair bit and it sounds like it was just a bit of fun from Jeff more than anything. And all the broadcasters do it.
And he's partly right to be fair - it doesn't say much for BT's score service if they're not covering the first Football League weekend.

Have to say FNF seems almost certain to be from the Sky Studios - given Jeff has Soccer Saturday the next day, Rachel Riley is doing 'Fantasy Football Club' and the fact it sounds like we may have 'celebrities' involved it'd just be a bit odd frankly to have it from the ground instead of Sky Studios.
Wouldn't be surprised if they use the SNF studio either.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:59
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After the Valencia 'fiasco', I'm not surprise Neville chose not to return 'full-time' to MNF. He'll be an easy target for managers now.
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The Gary Neville situation has been discussed a few times in this thread; it's a shame that it looks like the same debate will happen over and over every few days.

Anyway, as previously mentioned, that would really only make those managers an easy target back

If he had enough time at Valencia to be considered a failure, especially given all the factors working against him there, then struggling managers having a go at him will be setting themselves up to be called a failure too - or to be made a mockery of if they're asking for more time to turn their own situation around.

But people within the game recognise how good Neville's analysis is, so that won't happen anyway.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:03
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While I didn't see Stelling's thing to be fair to Jeff, BT are known to shoot their mouths off a fair bit and it sounds like it was just a bit of fun from Jeff more than anything. And all the broadcasters do it.
And he's partly right to be fair - it doesn't say much for BT's score service if they're not covering the first Football League weekend.
But BT were at Maidstone, so clearly they're committed to lower league football. As I mentioned before, probably the main reason BT weren't on this week is because they want to start it all guns blazing when the show looks like it's going to look like every week. Why didn't he slag off Final Score while he was at it?

BT may talk up their coverage but I've never heard them making comments like that about another channel. It's not the first time either, like when he slagged off the Beeb for being biased towards Blyth when they played Hartlepool, and slagged off the FA for not having enough Saturday 3pm kick-offs in the FA Cup. It's not fair to use your show as a platform when the people you're slagging off can't have the right to reply.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:08
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While I didn't see Stelling's thing to be fair to Jeff, BT are known to shoot their mouths off a fair bit and it sounds like it was just a bit of fun from Jeff more than anything. And all the broadcasters do it.
And he's partly right to be fair - it doesn't say much for BT's score service if they're not covering the first Football League weekend.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:23
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Really would love it if they turned off watching his show and started watching BT's.

Dont think he would be quite so cocky then.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:26
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Chris Hollins - has he presented much for BT before? I know it's pre-season so various unusual personnel often appear and not much should be read into it but surprised to see him there.
He's a semi-regular on the rugby coverage but I'm not sure whether he's done football for them before. Given that is what his background is in I wouldn't be surprised to see him cover more football should extra people be required.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:32
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But BT were at Maidstone, so clearly they're committed to lower league football. As I mentioned before, probably the main reason BT weren't on this week is because they want to start it all guns blazing when the show looks like it's going to look like every week. Why didn't he slag off Final Score while he was at it?

BT may talk up their coverage but I've never heard them making comments like that about another channel. It's not the first time either, like when he slagged off the Beeb for being biased towards Blyth when they played Hartlepool, and slagged off the FA for not having enough Saturday 3pm kick-offs in the FA Cup. It's not fair to use your show as a platform when the people you're slagging off can't have the right to reply.
To be fair it was BT who ran an advert for their own deadline day coverage by trying to mock Sky's coverage.

On the Maidstone coverage, BT have 4 channels available - while I don't know the exact details I doubt all 4 were showing live sport.

Not having it this week does send out a signal though that they don't care for the Football League at all - which I don't think is a good idea for a new show. Given how established the competition is, it'd surely make sense to do it even on weekends when there aren't PL games just to build up loyalty with viewers and make supporters of any club feel like their show is the place to go.

We haven't had many details actually on the show that follows the Saturday evening coverage - I saw BT advertise it as 'coming up' but haven't actually heard much about it/who it involves etc. whereas much of the focus on here is on the Live Scores program.

And on Jeff's 'slagging off' part of the reason Jeff is so popular is that he seems a normal, likable bloke so I think people don't mind if he speaks his mind on certain things. I mean one of his best moments was a rant about some 'worst towns' survey.

And to be fair the best way BT can respond is to make the score show good to watch.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:58
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:43
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I'm sure there is probably a really obvious answer to this...

Sky are advertising 126 live Premier League matches to be shown line this season.
They are also advertising 124 matches to be shown in Ultra HD.

Any idea why two matches won't be in Ultra HD?
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:53
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I would Guess that Tyler & Neville will be Back together for Arsenal vs Liverpool
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:54
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I'm sure there is probably a really obvious answer to this...

Sky are advertising 126 live Premier League matches to be shown line this season.
They are also advertising 124 matches to be shown in Ultra HD.

Any idea why two matches won't be in Ultra HD?
Last day of the season will have two matches not in UHD.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:56
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I'm sure there is probably a really obvious answer to this...

Sky are advertising 126 live Premier League matches to be shown line this season.
They are also advertising 124 matches to be shown in Ultra HD.

Any idea why two matches won't be in Ultra HD?
I imagine it's because there will be three matches on the final day, and only one of those matches will be in UHD.
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