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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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The Difference
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Speaking of Feyenoord, Wal - I heard Garry Breen on co-comms for the first time the weekend before last in the game against Zwolle. I'm guessing he's just starting out, as he needs to learn when to stop talking. He was rambling on before one of the goals and continued as Feyenoord went forward and only stopped in his tracks when the ball had actually hit the net.”

Gary Breen is a regular co-commentator on Premier League games for Irish national radio station Newstalk, which might explain why he was a bit more talkative than is necessary on TV. He certainly wouldn't be the first radio commentator (lead or co-commentator) to talk too much when beginning a transition into TV work.

I hope the four Sky Sports News reporters who have been made redundant find their feet elsewhere - I'd particularly like to see Pete Colley turn up somewhere I can see/hear him, as I've enjoyed what I've caught of his contributions from the Midlands down the years. I think he'd be a good fit for the BBC, as I've always felt they've been a bit thin on the ground when it comes to sports reporters based in the West Midlands nationally.
cook0891
30-11-2016
Very interesting at half time in Arsenal game. Paul Walker came on and was clearly takking to some director/producer. Said something like "Paul Walker for channel 5 here. Think I made error on Saints 1st goal, said was Boufal who crossed when think was Betrand. Can you edit or we just re do it" They then showed clip and he re did it. Quite interesting to watch/listen to.
digiremote
30-11-2016
Hearts v The Rangers - BT Sport 1.

Darrell Currie presenting coverage from Tynecastle with Stephen Craigan, Michael Stewart and Kevin Thomson. Eilidh Barbour reporting.

Commentators: Derek Rae,Chris Sutton and Terry Butcher.

PSG v Angers - BT Sport 3.

Commentators: Tony Lockwood and Clive Allen

From earlier:

St Etienne v Marseille - BT Sport 3.

Commentator: John Anderson
Steve Williams
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“It has been a Mickey Mouse competition every year except for 1978. ”

But yes, I think the League Cup is a good contract to have, let alone the fact you basically get it free with the Football League. Maybe the early rounds aren't very interesting but it allows them to cover a few lower league teams they wouldn't normally do. Then by the time you get to the quarter finals (which isn't too long, here we are now and it's only November) you get the remaining teams taking it seriously and there are always plenty of big teams involved.

If you look back at the list of finals in recent years, it's only Swansea vs Bradford that wouldn't be at least a half decent Super Sunday, usually with at least one big team in it. We've got all-Premier League semi-finals again, and as I say this week we've had big teams in the quarter finals. Add to that the fact the quarter and semi-finals are played in midwinter, in primetime, not opposite any other Premier League football - which is not the case with the FA Cup - and the final is in February rather than a boiling hot day in May, and I would suggest you get plenty of value for money from the League Cup. One obvious benefit for Sky is that the semi-finals are in January which is quite a quiet month for them with the FA Cup dominating. A few seasons ago the final was the highest rated thing on Sky Sports all year.

I might have agreed with you a decade or so ago when everyone put out weak teams and whichever middling Premier League club bothered to have a go won it, but in recent years it seems to have had a bit of a renaissance, I wonder if not partly thanks to the period in 2009-12 when it was live on the BBC.

I know it's not the fantastic competition, but it hardly seems a massive imposition on the season and it's a competition I want to see Liverpool doing well in. It's hardly the Checkatrade Trophy, is it?
TheSubaru2012
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by digiremote:
“Hearts v The Rangers - BT Sport 1.

Darrell Currie presenting coverage from Tynecastle with Stephen Craigan, Michael Stewart and Kevin Thomson. Eilidh Barbour reporting.

Commentators: Derek Rae,Chris Sutton and Terry Butcher.”

Interesting that BT are now pulling out 3-man commentary teams on regular SPL games, first time this season I think?
stevvy1986
30-11-2016
Originally Posted by seagull_Mark:
“172,000 programme average (0.77%), peaking at 270,000.

One of only two programmes on Sky Sports on Monday to register 6 figures (the other being the cricket).”

Thank you. Not surprised it was a relatively low rating, as it's not particularly a game that neutrals are going to think "yeah I really like the look of that game, I'll give it a watch".
Mark F
30-11-2016
I think it could actually be quite important for Jose or Klopp in terms of winning their first trophy (as the former did with Chelsea) whilst Southampton fans would love a final at Wembley.

I guess it could go either with Hull (remember Birmingham in 2011) but again they might fancy another trip to Wembley.
The Lizard
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Toronto v Montreal- Callum Williams and Stewart Robson”

Coverage of the MLS Eastern Conference Play-Off Final 2nd Leg has just started on Sky Sports 3.
The Difference
01-12-2016
Wednesday 30th November - Channel 5

Football on 5: The EFL Cup

George Riley presented alongside Alan Curbishley and Kevin Davies

Manchester United v West Ham United - Dave Farrar
Arsenal v Southampton - Paul Walker
Liverpool v Leeds United (Tuesday) - Rob Hawthorne and Alan Smith, with Guy Havord conducting interviews (as Sky Sports)
Hull City v Newcastle United (Tuesday) - Sam Matterface

While Dave Farrar conducted the majority of Channel 5's interviews at Old Trafford (as Paul Walker did at the Emirates Stadium), it was noticeable that they took part of Sky Sports reporter Guy Havord's interview with Jose Mourinho where he was talking about the Chapcoense air disaster. As is the norm for these EFL Cup highlights shows, the Channel 5 presentation team was in the BT Sport studio.
chrisfinch
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by cook0891:
“Very interesting at half time in Arsenal game. Paul Walker came on and was clearly takking to some director/producer. Said something like "Paul Walker for channel 5 here. Think I made error on Saints 1st goal, said was Boufal who crossed when think was Betrand. Can you edit or we just re do it" They then showed clip and he re did it. Quite interesting to watch/listen to.”

Just watching this now on the highlights, and you'd never know if it wasn't for the half time music blaring over the speakers in the background behind Walker as the goal goes in!
bwfcol
01-12-2016
Phil Neville has been on Sky a couple of times, I know he's been linked with the Under 21s job but be good if they used him a bit, maybe go for a Neville double one day
ftakeith
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by The Difference:
“Gary Breen is a regular co-commentator on Premier League games for Irish national radio station Newstalk, which might explain why he was a bit more talkative than is necessary on TV. He certainly wouldn't be the first radio commentator (lead or co-commentator) to talk too much when beginning a transition into TV work.

I hope the four Sky Sports News reporters who have been made redundant find their feet elsewhere - I'd particularly like to see Pete Colley turn up somewhere I can see/hear him, as I've enjoyed what I've caught of his contributions from the Midlands down the years. I think he'd be a good fit for the BBC, as I've always felt they've been a bit thin on the ground when it comes to sports reporters based in the West Midlands nationally.”

Pat Murphy is bbc's radio/tv football man in the midlands
The Scout
01-12-2016
Everyone seemed to be on their best behaviour last night so thank you for that.

The following info has been submitted in the past few days but seeing as I'm not able to verify it and have developed trust issues after Tuesday evening, I'm hoping the world feed experts of this thread might be able to help out. Any help will be much appreciated!

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World feeds - queries not facts!

Saturday
Rotherham United v Leeds United - Dan O'Hagan*

Sunday
Genoa v Juventus - _________ & Patrick Tarroni
A.S. Roma v Pescara - Richard Whittle
Real Sociedad v Barcelona - Simon Hanley & Duncan Bishop
Aberdeen v Celtic - Rory Hamilton & Kris Boyd

Monday
Inter v Fiorentina- Marco Palmieri & Paul Visca
Las Palmas v Athletic Bilbao - Lucas Brown
Huddersfield Town v Wigan Athletic - Paul Walker* or Martin Fisher?

Yesterday
Manchester United v West Ham United - Peter Drury

* anything with an asterisk means I suspect this may be false, meaning I'll be looking to ban the individuals posting such data. Happy to be proven wrong!

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mikey1980
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“But yes, I think the League Cup is a good contract to have, let alone the fact you basically get it free with the Football League. Maybe the early rounds aren't very interesting but it allows them to cover a few lower league teams they wouldn't normally do. Then by the time you get to the quarter finals (which isn't too long, here we are now and it's only November) you get the remaining teams taking it seriously and there are always plenty of big teams involved.

If you look back at the list of finals in recent years, it's only Swansea vs Bradford that wouldn't be at least a half decent Super Sunday, usually with at least one big team in it. We've got all-Premier League semi-finals again, and as I say this week we've had big teams in the quarter finals. Add to that the fact the quarter and semi-finals are played in midwinter, in primetime, not opposite any other Premier League football - which is not the case with the FA Cup - and the final is in February rather than a boiling hot day in May, and I would suggest you get plenty of value for money from the League Cup. One obvious benefit for Sky is that the semi-finals are in January which is quite a quiet month for them with the FA Cup dominating. A few seasons ago the final was the highest rated thing on Sky Sports all year.

I might have agreed with you a decade or so ago when everyone put out weak teams and whichever middling Premier League club bothered to have a go won it, but in recent years it seems to have had a bit of a renaissance, I wonder if not partly thanks to the period in 2009-12 when it was live on the BBC.

I know it's not the fantastic competition, but it hardly seems a massive imposition on the season and it's a competition I want to see Liverpool doing well in. It's hardly the Checkatrade Trophy, is it?”

I totally agree with all of this.

Historically there is a huge difference between the FA Cup and the League Cup. But in actuality there is very little current difference. Most Premier League clubs treat the 3rd and 4th rounds of the FA Cup just as they have traditionally treated the early rounds of the League Cup. When it comes to the later stages of both competitions, the League Cup doesn't lose much in comparison. Indeed, since the FA moved the semi finals to Wembley on separate days, I think the two-legged semi finals of the League Cup feel far more of an event. As for the finals, the League Cup finals have tended to be more interesting. Birmingham defeating Arsenal in 2011; Liverpool's penalty shoot-out win over Cardiff in 2012; Man City coming from behind to defeat Sunderland in 2014; and City beating Liverpool on penalties earlier this year. In the past 25 years of FA Cup finals, we've only had one really great game: the Liverpool 3-3 West Ham in 2006; and we've only had one shock: Wigan beating Man City in 2013. Otherwise, it's been mainly big clubs winning in dull games of football.
Tony Yeboah
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Everyone seemed to be on their best behaviour last night so thank you for that.

The following info has been submitted in the past few days but seeing as I'm not able to verify it and have developed trust issues after Tuesday evening, I'm hoping the world feed experts of this thread might be able to help out. Any help will be much appreciated!

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World feeds - queries not facts!

Saturday
Rotherham United v Leeds United - Dan O'Hagan*

Sunday
Genoa v Juventus - _________ & Patrick Tarroni
A.S. Roma v Pescara - Richard Whittle
Real Sociedad v Barcelona - Simon Hanley & Duncan Bishop
Aberdeen v Celtic - Rory Hamilton & Kris Boyd

Monday
Inter v Fiorentina- Marco Palmieri & Paul Visca
Las Palmas v Athletic Bilbao - Lucas Brown
Huddersfield Town v Wigan Athletic - Paul Walker* or Martin Fisher?

Yesterday
Manchester United v West Ham United - Peter Drury

* anything with an asterisk means I suspect this may be false, meaning I'll be looking to ban the individuals posting such data. Happy to be proven wrong!

========================================================”

Dan O'Hagan is correct for Rotherham v Leeds. It is confirmed on his twitter feed https://twitter.com/danohagan/status/802563582294507521
cook0891
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by CardioCortez:
“I couldn't quite work out who was on the world feed of Hull City Vs Newcastle last night but it did sound like Sam Matterface (note: the sound was a little muffled so I'm not posting this as fact ).”

The sound mix was woeful on that game. Also world feed on Liverpool wasn't great.
The Scout
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Dan O'Hagan is correct for Rotherham v Leeds. It is confirmed on his twitter feed https://twitter.com/danohagan/status/802563582294507521”

Thanks! Ironically, the reason I doubted it was because I thought I'd checked his Twitter the other day and couldn't find any evidence of it.

That's one of the things I've been working on in the background by the way, a list of commentators Twitter accounts which should help me and others verify information. If anyone knows of a ready-made link or list, please do share it as that would be handy - otherwise the one I'm in the process of assembling will soon be available.
Tony Yeboah
01-12-2016
Sutton Utd v Cheltenham- John Roder for the BBC and BT
Tony Yeboah
01-12-2016
Man City v Chelsea- Guy Mowbray for the BBC
Mainz v Bayern Munich- Dan O'Hagan
Bayer Leverkusen v Freiburg- Dan O'Hagan
Curzon Ashton v AFC Wimbledon- Dan O'Hagan
mlt11
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“Charles Sale is claiming that 4 senior SSN reporters are being sacked. Nick Collins is one of them

https://t.co/aPgQu4nBWi”

I think this is extremely sad and disappointing news.

Collins and Abraham in particular are outstanding journalists who bring a highly intelligent and different perspective to their reports than would be obtained by getting, say, Ian Ward to voice a cricket report.

Nothing wrong with Ward - indeed he is very good too - but his skills and role are different.

And what makes it even more disappointing is that the savings which Sky is going to make from this are literally a drop in the ocean in comparison to their overall business. They are so small they will be barely noticeable.

I guess Sky's response to that would be that they are looking to drive efficiencies throughout the business - no aspect of the business is exempt and lots of different small amounts all add up. I can understand that but, as explained above, I think quality will suffer and suffer disproportionately compared to the savings made.

There's one other thing that crosses my mind. If they wanted to make really significant savings at SSN then I think the way to do it would be to reduce the amount of journalism. Journalism costs much more than just the salary of the reporter appearing on screen - there's all the costs of filming etc but more importantly all of the research and back-up and arranging of everything.

SSN could be much cheaper with less journalism and more just showing highlights of events - so might these four departures be indicative of greater savings to come from doing less journalism?
mlt11
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“But yes, I think the League Cup is a good contract to have, let alone the fact you basically get it free with the Football League. Maybe the early rounds aren't very interesting but it allows them to cover a few lower league teams they wouldn't normally do. Then by the time you get to the quarter finals (which isn't too long, here we are now and it's only November) you get the remaining teams taking it seriously and there are always plenty of big teams involved.

If you look back at the list of finals in recent years, it's only Swansea vs Bradford that wouldn't be at least a half decent Super Sunday, usually with at least one big team in it. We've got all-Premier League semi-finals again, and as I say this week we've had big teams in the quarter finals. Add to that the fact the quarter and semi-finals are played in midwinter, in primetime, not opposite any other Premier League football - which is not the case with the FA Cup - and the final is in February rather than a boiling hot day in May, and I would suggest you get plenty of value for money from the League Cup. One obvious benefit for Sky is that the semi-finals are in January which is quite a quiet month for them with the FA Cup dominating. A few seasons ago the final was the highest rated thing on Sky Sports all year.

I might have agreed with you a decade or so ago when everyone put out weak teams and whichever middling Premier League club bothered to have a go won it, but in recent years it seems to have had a bit of a renaissance, I wonder if not partly thanks to the period in 2009-12 when it was live on the BBC.

I know it's not the fantastic competition, but it hardly seems a massive imposition on the season and it's a competition I want to see Liverpool doing well in. It's hardly the Checkatrade Trophy, is it?”

I also agree with all of this - other than the point about "basically getting it for free".

The last time the FL TV tender document was published it showed the League Cup being sold in 3 packages of its own - completely separately from the FL.

Even if the whole thing was sold together bidders would obviously take account of the League Cup - for all of the reasons you give - it's a very valuable set of rights. Sky currently pay the FL £95m per year in total for FL + League Cup rights - there is no way they would pay anything like that amount for the FL only.

The League Cup Final has always rated surprisingly highly for Sky - even when it hasn't featured marquee teams - and of course it usually does feature big teams. I think the Final has been Sky's highest rated programme of the year on many occasions actually - indeed I think it was almost certainly the highest rated programme (in terms of peak) on Sky last season - probably by some margin. I'm no good at searching this forum but am sure the rating was posted at the time - from memory I think it may have peaked at about 3.5m - an absolutely massive rating by Sky's standards.

If this year's final is Liverpool v Man Utd it will almost certainly be Sky's highest rated programme of the year again. That's obviously still a big if but they have already had fantastic value with this season's competition - two real heavyweight Liverpool and Man Utd last 16 ties, Liverpool and Man Utd again in the QFs and then Liverpool and Man Utd yet again separately in the SFs.
pakokelso93
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I think this is extremely sad and disappointing news.

Collins and Abraham in particular are outstanding journalists who bring a highly intelligent and different perspective to their reports than would be obtained by getting, say, Ian Ward to voice a cricket report.

Nothing wrong with Ward - indeed he is very good too - but his skills and role are different.

And what makes it even more disappointing is that the savings which Sky is going to make from this are literally a drop in the ocean in comparison to their overall business. They are so small they will be barely noticeable.

I guess Sky's response to that would be that they are looking to drive efficiencies throughout the business - no aspect of the business is exempt and lots of different small amounts all add up. I can understand that but, as explained above, I think quality will suffer and suffer disproportionately compared to the savings made.

There's one other thing that crosses my mind. If they wanted to make really significant savings at SSN then I think the way to do it would be to reduce the amount of journalism. Journalism costs much more than just the salary of the reporter appearing on screen - there's all the costs of filming etc but more importantly all of the research and back-up and arranging of everything.

SSN could be much cheaper with less journalism and more just showing highlights of events - so might these four departures be indicative of greater savings to come from doing less journalism?”

With someone like Nick Collins - surely a way to ensure that things are more 'effective financially' is outwith big stories/England - he could have gone back to being a match reporter for PL games etc as he hasn't really done that for a while. It means you keep him for the big stuff but utilise him elsewhere too.
CardioCortez
01-12-2016
Sky are causing a bit of a fixture problem in January. They're showing Hull on Sunday 22nd and Southampton on the 23rd but. It hate due to play their EFL cup semi final that following midweek meaning they'll be playing twice in three days unless the games are pushed to Wednesday and Thursday.
chrisfinch
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I think this is extremely sad and disappointing news.

Collins and Abraham in particular are outstanding journalists who bring a highly intelligent and different perspective to their reports than would be obtained by getting, say, Ian Ward to voice a cricket report.

Nothing wrong with Ward - indeed he is very good too - but his skills and role are different.

And what makes it even more disappointing is that the savings which Sky is going to make from this are literally a drop in the ocean in comparison to their overall business. They are so small they will be barely noticeable.?”

The difference won't be at matches, it'll be those press conferences, warmup matches and suchlike. The real work of a Tim Abraham or Phil Edwards is done by attending all the training sessions and tour matches, and I'd be surprised if that is replicated to the same extent going forwards.

Nick Collins is a slightly different one, as they only cover England in highlights, but they'll presumably just have another reporter doing that role, so the money saved would be absolutely minimal.
gs1
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by CardioCortez:
“Sky are causing a bit of a fixture problem in January. They're showing Hull on Sunday 22nd and Southampton on the 23rd but. It hate due to play their EFL cup semi final that following midweek meaning they'll be playing twice in three days unless the games are pushed to Wednesday and Thursday.”

Southampton -v- Leicester has been moved forward to 12pm on Sunday 22 January 2017.

Sky Sports schedule for Sunday 22 January 2017 is now:

Southampton -v- Leicester 12pm
Arsenal -v- Burnley 2.15pm
Chelsea -v- Hull 4.30pm
http://www.skysports.com/watch/football-on-sky
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