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Old 20-12-2016, 22:40
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Atalanta v Empoli (BT Sport 3) - Jon Champion and Chris Perry

FA Cup-Peterborough v Notts County (BT Sport)
Presenter: Paul Dempsey with David James and Jack Collison
Commentators: Steve Bower and Adam Virgo
Reporter: Natalie Quirk
Was it just for me or was the entire broadcast slightly out of sync?
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Old 21-12-2016, 08:32
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Was it just for me or was the entire broadcast slightly out of sync?
Certainly on 4K it was, and that's not the first time it's happened. The Speedway World Cup earlier this year had the same issue. Not sure if the standard HD broadcast was alright or not.
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Old 21-12-2016, 08:41
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Certainly on 4K it was, and that's not the first time it's happened. The Speedway World Cup earlier this year had the same issue. Not sure if the standard HD broadcast was alright or not.
Certainly the intro was out of sync on HD, but I dunno about the rest cos I, er, didn't watch it.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:38
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Excuse my ignorance but why are Scottish clubs playing Fri/Sat rather than Boxing Day? Is that normal calendar for them?
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:45
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Excuse my ignorance but who is Scotland playing Fri/Sat rather than Boxing Day? Is that normal calendar for them?
There's a midweek round next Tuesday/Wednesday and there's a reluctance up here to have a 48hr turnaround. Of course, had they scheduled the following week for New Year's Day, then we could have had Monday-Thursday/Friday-Sunday/Monday.

The last time Christmas Eve fell on a Saturday (2011) there was a full card of SPL (as-was) fixtures, but the SFL (as-was) waited until Boxing Day. However, in 2005 both the SPL and SFL had their fixtures on Boxing Day.

Scheduling fixtures for Christmas Eve is ridiculous, but I suppose it's a consequence of the winter break next month.

Still, it could be worse; I saw an article from the Scottish Sun quoted on another forum where the "journalist" was arguing in favour of Christmas DAY fixtures...
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:04
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Thanks Mark, makes sense (although I agree with your alternatives)

Obviously means just tomorrow and Xmas Day are the only days without a U.K. game on TV
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:16
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Certainly on 4K it was, and that's not the first time it's happened. The Speedway World Cup earlier this year had the same issue. Not sure if the standard HD broadcast was alright or not.
Certainly the intro was out of sync on HD, but I dunno about the rest cos I, er, didn't watch it.
Yep, I was watching on HD so it must've been across the board.

Re: Macclesfield v Bromley - Best bit in this one came at the start when Matt was walking across the pitch, almost got hit by a ball and turned in its direction to jokingly remonstrate with them, only for a ball to come in the other direction and knock the microphone out of his hands, breaking it in half and rendering him completely inaudible until someone handed him another one. Very close to another Martin-Keown-on-ESPN moment there.
Luckily I was able to recover the game from my deleted recordings and find this gem of a moment 'cos I fast forwarded through it and totally missed it the first time around. Haha, brilliant!
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:36
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In fact, presuming there's an FA Cup replay shown on both Tues and Weds, after Xmas Day there's a game every day until Jan 19th (British game on British TV).

I've caught some of the 10am slot on SSNHQHRHQSSN and it's pretty dreadful.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:14
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The last time Christmas Eve fell on a Saturday (2011) there was a full card of SPL (as-was) fixtures, but the SFL (as-was) waited until Boxing Day. However, in 2005 both the SPL and SFL had their fixtures on Boxing Day.

Scheduling fixtures for Christmas Eve is ridiculous, but I suppose it's a consequence of the winter break next month.
Apologies for coming in from England (although I am Welsh, of course) but I assumed it might also have something to do with the fact Boxing Day isn't the major holiday in Scotland it is in the rest of the UK? So there'll be more people in work and so Christmas Eve, being a Saturday, is marginally more convenient?

Of course this time next year Christmas Eve is a Sunday so we can all ponder as to whether we might get a Super Sunday on that day. We did in 1995, the only time since 1966 there's been top flight English football on Christmas Eve, but not in 2000 or 2006. I reckon we won't, and the round will be spread over Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

Luckily I was able to recover the game from my deleted recordings and find this gem of a moment 'cos I fast forwarded through it and totally missed it the first time around. Haha, brilliant!
Yeah, one for the end of season compilation, I reckon. It completely broke the microphone too, BT should send Macclesfield the bill.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:23
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Apologies for coming in from England (although I am Welsh, of course) but I assumed it might also have something to do with the fact Boxing Day isn't the major holiday in Scotland it is in the rest of the UK? So there'll be more people in work and so Christmas Eve, being a Saturday, is marginally more convenient?
Boxing Day is a holiday in Scotland, and games have been scheduled on it in the past. It's just a combination of Christmas being at the weekend and the winter break requiring a midweek round that has prevented Boxing Day being used.

Next year, I'd expect there to be Scottish games scheduled for Saturday 23rd and Tuesday 26th (3pm). Whether they then go for Saturday 30th December or Monday 1st January for the next round is anyone's guess (I wouldn't expect both - unlike England, our festive schedule is generally quite relaxed).
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:26
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Apologies for coming in from England (although I am Welsh, of course) but I assumed it might also have something to do with the fact Boxing Day isn't the major holiday in Scotland it is in the rest of the UK? So there'll be more people in work and so Christmas Eve, being a Saturday, is marginally more convenient?

Of course this time next year Christmas Eve is a Sunday so we can all ponder as to whether we might get a Super Sunday on that day. We did in 1995, the only time since 1966 there's been top flight English football on Christmas Eve, but not in 2000 or 2006. I reckon we won't, and the round will be spread over Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
I recall Setanta wanted to show Manchester United v Everton on Christmas Eve in 2007 (when it fell on a Monday) but the request was rejected and it ended up being played the day before. It seems to be accepted these days that Christmas Eve football in England is a no-go almost as much as Christmas Day, that Leeds v Man United game in 1995 the sole exception in modern times.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:55
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Cologne v Leverkusen- Dan O'Hagan for the world feed
Bayern v Leipzig- Derek Rae and Owen Hargreaves for BT, and Mark Scott for the world feed
Newport v Plymouth- Lynsey Hipgrave, Neil Warnock and Chris Gunter are the presentation team for BT
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:15
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I've caught some of the 10am slot on SSNHQHRHQSSN and it's pretty dreadful.
Very rarely around to catch it but whenever I've seen that slot, it basically was Rob Wotton talking to the usual SSN talking heads (the likes of Yorke, Cottee, Gale, Cascarino etc.) for an hour which as you say is pretty bad viewing.

Though I guess for SSN it's a cheap way to fill an hour and provides soundbite clips they can play for the rest of the day about main stories.

And with the cutbacks to SSN, I can see this 'talking heads' sort of stuff becoming more common on there.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:57
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Very rarely around to catch it but whenever I've seen that slot, it basically was Rob Wotton talking to the usual SSN talking heads (the likes of Yorke, Cottee, Gale, Cascarino etc.) for an hour which as you say is pretty bad viewing.
They usually have bigger names on Monday. Have seen the likes of Henry on Mondays, presumably as there's more to talk about immediately after the weekend.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:30
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It was Curbishley and Rob Earnshaw today. Zzzz.

I get that 2 people behind a desk doing news isn't ideal all day and a mid morning talk show isn't a bad idea but find a charismatic presenter and maybe a journalist? Its small viewing figures I know, I used to be ok with watching SSN for hours but not so much now (and I miss it!)
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:51
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It was Curbishley and Rob Earnshaw today. Zzzz.

I get that 2 people behind a desk doing news isn't ideal all day and a mid morning talk show isn't a bad idea but find a charismatic presenter and maybe a journalist? Its small viewing figures I know, I used to be ok with watching SSN for hours but not so much now (and I miss it!)

Indeed doesn't help that the pundits are normally that sort of standard and Wotton isn't exactly one of my favourite SSN presenters.

I do find myself watching SSN less these days then say 5-10 years ago. It's not all bad - I think on the whole the presenters are still strong and the studio they're in is fantastic.

However, it does feel at times like the channel has bought into its own hype at this point and so is hard to watch for an extended period. The build up for branded games (e.g 'Red Monday') in particular shows this - Jim White standing next to a giant countdown clock on the newswall getting very excited grates quickly.

Deadline Day too is honestly a parody of itself these days.
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:42
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Benfica v Rio Ave (BT Sport 2)

Commentator: Seb Hutchinson

Inter Milan v Lazio (BT Sport:ESPN)

Commentators: Steve Bower and Clive Allen
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:43
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As was mentioned recently - it is clear that these talking head soundbites are being used to fill a fair amount of minutage for the rest of the day to cut back on reports and what not. SSN cutbacks.

I've noticed for the recent England cricket coverage they seem to used far more of the commentary/pundits section on-site from post-days play than say a normal 30-40 sec soundbite - been a good 3-4 mins of it. Pure padding.
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:45
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Newport County v Plymouth Argyle - Wednesday, 21 December 2016 - FA Cup
BT Sport 1 / BT Sport 1 HD, BT Sport 4K UHD

Presented by: Lynsey Hipgrave
Guests: Neil Warnock and Chris Gunter
Commentators: Jon Champion and Adam Virgo
Reporter: Reshmin Chowdhury
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:51
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Boxing Day is a holiday in Scotland, and games have been scheduled on it in the past. It's just a combination of Christmas being at the weekend and the winter break requiring a midweek round that has prevented Boxing Day being used.
After I posted that I realised that Boxing Day would have to be a Bank Holiday in Scotland anyway, because Christmas Day is at the weekend. Remind me not to talk about Scotland again.

I recall Setanta wanted to show Manchester United v Everton on Christmas Eve in 2007 (when it fell on a Monday) but the request was rejected and it ended up being played the day before. It seems to be accepted these days that Christmas Eve football in England is a no-go almost as much as Christmas Day, that Leeds v Man United game in 1995 the sole exception in modern times.
I'd forgotten about that Setanta one, of course the difference there is that they wanted to play it at eight o'clock - and of course Christmas Eve isn't a Bank Holiday so if it falls on a weekday it would technically have to be an evening kick-off. The attendances on Christmas Eve would presumably be very poor as well because of shopping and that.
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:10
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Newport v Plymouth- Gary Taphouse for the world feed
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:15
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After I posted that I realised that Boxing Day would have to be a Bank Holiday in Scotland anyway, because Christmas Day is at the weekend.
It's always a holiday regardless. In fact, over the entire festive period we even get an extra day - 2nd January (3rd this year).

Rumours that it's because most Scots need an extra day to recover from Hogmanay are completely with foundation.

Remind me not to talk about Scotland again.
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:43
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Good news! There will be at BT Sport Score program on FA Cup Third Round weekend as announced by Hipgrave.
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Old 21-12-2016, 21:49
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Good news! There will be at BT Sport Score program on FA Cup Third Round weekend as announced by Hipgrave.
That's a weight off my mind
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:38
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Due to me not having a Premier Sports subscription and not living in Ireland, I'd like to ask the following...

1) Premier Sports - do they always use world feed commentary for their broadcasts?

Below are all the details for matches on Premier Sports which have been entered into the data hub, and I'm wondering if they are all world feeds rather than commentaries solely for PS. I will have to re-assign them all if that is indeed the case. The ability to add world feed information came after the majority of these details had already been added, so these comms are all currently down as having been employed by Premier Sports.

Sun, 18 Dec 2016 - Genk v Standard Liège - Mark Rodden
Sun, 11 Dec 2016 - Gent v KVO - Stephen Alkin
Sun, 11 Dec 2016 - Anderlecht v Club Brugge - Mark Rodden
Fri, 9 Dec 2016 - Lokeren v Zulte Waregem - Will Downing
Sun, 13 Nov 2016 - St Mirren v Ayr - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Sat, 12 Nov 2016 - Dunfermline v Dundee Utd - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Fri, 7 Oct 2016 - Crusaders v Livingston - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Sat, 3 Sep 2016 - Livingston v Celtic U20s - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Tue, 16 Aug 2016 - Cowdenbeath v Celtic U20s - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Thu, 4 Aug 2016 - Maribor v Aberdeen - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Tue, 2 Aug 2016 - Celtic U20s v Annan - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Wed, 27 Jul 2016 - Astana v Celtic - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Sat, 23 Jul 2016 - Karlsruher v West Ham - Mark Rodden
Thu, 21 Jul 2016 - Brøndby v Hibernian - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Thu, 21 Jul 2016 - Ventspils v Aberdeen - Will Downing
Wed, 20 Jul 2016 - Celtic v Lincoln - Rory Hamilton & Liam Brady
Wed, 20 Jul 2016 - Rubin Kazan v West Ham - Mark Rodden
Tue, 19 Jul 2016 - Slovácko v West Ham - Mark Rodden
Thu, 14 Jul 2016 - Birkirkara v Hearts - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart
Wed, 13 Jul 2016 - PSG v West Brom - Will Downing
Thu, 7 Jul 2016 - Fola v Aberdeen - Rory Hamilton & Michael Stewart

2) Sky Sports 5 Ireland - could somebody please give me a brief description of how these Saturday 3pm Premier League game broadcasts work? Programme length etc? I believe that Hayley McQueen is typically the presenter and that they employ a couple of their own commentators. For example, I think was Crocker and Hinchcliffe this weekend for West Ham v Hull. Do they use the same studio that Game of the Day is shown on later in the evening?

Thanks!
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