There goes my Kelly cates theory...
Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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Originally Posted by loyalsince:
“There goes my Kelly cates theory...”
“There goes my Kelly cates theory...”
Bloody hell!
I agreed with your theory as well...
Time will tell if it is a one-off arrangement for this time of year or not, but whatever the reasons - hooray. It makes for a refreshing change to see Kelly presenting this one.
On another note, pretty sure the fans outside of the studio were singing "Don Goodman is a w****r" while he was talking.
I felt like Minto was getting a bit too much of the share as presenter so it's good to see Cates pop up on a midweek game.
Kelly Cates presented Aston Villa Vs Leeds from Villa Park with Don Goodman.
Commentary by ? (Weaver?) and Andy Hinchcliffe.
Commentary by ? (Weaver?) and Andy Hinchcliffe.
Originally Posted by CardioCortez:
“Kelly Cates presented Aston Villa Vs Leeds from Villa Park with Don Goodman.
Commentary by ? (Weaver?) and Andy Hinchcliffe.”
“Kelly Cates presented Aston Villa Vs Leeds from Villa Park with Don Goodman.
Commentary by ? (Weaver?) and Andy Hinchcliffe.”
Yes Weaver. Think Jonathan Oates was the reporter.
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“Yes Weaver. Think Jonathan Oates was the reporter.”
“Yes Weaver. Think Jonathan Oates was the reporter.”
Definitely Gary Weaver and Andy Hinchcliffe on Aston Villa v Leeds, and definitely Jonathan Oakes reporting from Villa Park.
Thought GW was fine, and again AH was fine on co-comm duties.
Saturday 24 December
Hamilton v Celtic- Rob Maclean for the BBC
Rangers v Inverness CT- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Tuesday 27 December
Aberdeen v Hamilton- Andy Burke for the BBC
Hearts v Kilmarnock- John Barnes for the BBC
Wednesday 28 December
St Johnstone v Rangers- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Inverness CT v Motherwell- Andy Burke for the BBC
Partick Thistle v Dundee- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Celtic v Ros County- Liam McLeod for the BBC
Saturday 31 December
Rangers v Celtic- Tom Miller and Peter Lovenkrands for RangersTV
Hamilton v Celtic- Rob Maclean for the BBC
Rangers v Inverness CT- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Tuesday 27 December
Aberdeen v Hamilton- Andy Burke for the BBC
Hearts v Kilmarnock- John Barnes for the BBC
Wednesday 28 December
St Johnstone v Rangers- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Inverness CT v Motherwell- Andy Burke for the BBC
Partick Thistle v Dundee- Rory Hamilton for the BBC
Celtic v Ros County- Liam McLeod for the BBC
Saturday 31 December
Rangers v Celtic- Tom Miller and Peter Lovenkrands for RangersTV
Originally Posted by The Lizard:
“Definitely Gary Weaver and Andy Hinchcliffe on Aston Villa v Leeds, and definitely Jonathan Oakes reporting from Villa Park.
Thought GW was fine, and again AH was fine on co-comm duties.”
“Definitely Gary Weaver and Andy Hinchcliffe on Aston Villa v Leeds, and definitely Jonathan Oakes reporting from Villa Park.
Thought GW was fine, and again AH was fine on co-comm duties.”
Must admit i am liking Weaver more and more everytime i hear him, seems to be improving all the time, capturing the excitements of games very well, comes out with good descriptive sayings.
Sky tweeted a photo of Daniel Mann's commentary notes the other day and it's absolutely nuts - https://twitter.com/i/web/status/809445036765118464
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...
Broadcaster of the Year - BT Sport
-I'd actually say all channels are pretty even at this point - all have some strengths and some weaknesses. I've found I've really warmed to BT in recent months.
That said, having seen foreign TV coverage during the Euros I admire our broadcasters a lot more. M6 in particular deserves attention with its holograms and presenters teleporting- http://digitalsport.co/french-broadc...n-at-euro-2016
Best Live Football Show - EFS (BT Sport)
Best Highlights Football Show: MOTD2 (BBC)
It's great at doing what MOTD does (showing the goals) but without being a clone of it. I say it every year but Chapman is fantastic. Warm broadcaster who it's clear that the pundits like but he also is good at getting them to expand on viewpoints.
Senior Commentator Of The Year - Martin Tyler (Sky Sports)
-Maybe not as good as a few years ago but still the commentator from that list I'd want on the big games. I like Derek Rae a lot though and do think Fletcher gets a hard time on here (Others sports commentators like Andrew Castle or David Croft are far worse for talking for the sake of talking).
Secondary Commentator Of The Year - Steve Wilson (BBC)
Your Favourite Other Commentator Joe Speight
-Commentator of the year for me. His performances at the Euros stood out, he has a great commentary style and voice.
The 5Live commentators, Murray and McNamara in particular, are great too.
Pundit of the Year - Lee Dixon (ITV)
- Lee is consistently excellent and the Wrighty and Dixon partnership was one of the best ITV have had in years.
Rio at his best is fantastic but is also prone to a lack of research and some lazy punditry.
Your Favourite Other Pundit - Bilic (ITV Euro 2016)/Hargreaves (BT)
For Euros, Slaven Bilic. Great knowledge, plenty of insight and not afraid to disagree with other pundits. Him jumping on the table after Payet scored too was very funny (Wrighty as he does was laughing away in the background).
Otherwise, become a big fan of Owen Hargreaves too. BT's 'Marathon Man' this year and for me is comfortably BT's best pundit in the studio. Intelligent, articulate and a considered analyst. Better in the studio than on commentary mind.
That said very honourable mentions to the likes of Jenas, Kilbane and even Ian Wright. The former two appearing is normally a guarantee of strong analysis and Wrighty's enthusiasm makes his appearances fun to watch.
Senior Co-Commentator of the Year - Alan Smith (Sky Sports).
He's always been Mr Consistent but this year Smith seems to have stepped up his performances even further. His commentaries on Arsenal/Leicester in February and the 4-3 Bournemouth Liverpool game were both very good.
Your Favourite Other Co-Commentator - Andy Hinchcliffe.
- Been a breakout year for him - appearing on plenty of PL matches and well-deserved too.
Honourable mention too to Gerry Armstrong.
Football Presenter of the Year - Gary Lineker (BBC / BT Sport).
Commentary Of The Year - Northern Ireland v Ukraine (Speight and Dowie)
-Speight and Dowie were the best partnership of the Euros. Both really did this game justice and Iain Dowie's goalgasm always make me laugh but is memorable good way.
Similar to Beglin with 'Goal for All Africa', Speight masterfully continued on as if Dowie hadn't celebrated like crazy on commentary.
Hopes for 2017
1) 'Names' for games will go.
2) Any Discussion over "selfies" will disappear from football coverage. They make pundits look massively out of touch. One pundit normally ends up with a truly ridiculous response and assumptions. And most of the time the photos aren't even "selfies".
3) Less of the 'Why has me mate/me dog/I not got a manager's job?' discussion too on TV this year. Savage and Sutton were painful on the Monday Night Club a while back moaning about why Giggsy wasn't made Swansea manager. Just as bad too was Shearer's one-man crusade to become England Manager after England went out Euro 2016. It'd be nice in 2017 for most of these discussions to not end in a pundit pushing themselves or a mate forward for a job.
4) Jermaine Jenas to be used on live coverage rather than wasted on BT Score.
-I'd actually say all channels are pretty even at this point - all have some strengths and some weaknesses. I've found I've really warmed to BT in recent months.
That said, having seen foreign TV coverage during the Euros I admire our broadcasters a lot more. M6 in particular deserves attention with its holograms and presenters teleporting- http://digitalsport.co/french-broadc...n-at-euro-2016
Best Live Football Show - EFS (BT Sport)
Best Highlights Football Show: MOTD2 (BBC)
It's great at doing what MOTD does (showing the goals) but without being a clone of it. I say it every year but Chapman is fantastic. Warm broadcaster who it's clear that the pundits like but he also is good at getting them to expand on viewpoints.
Senior Commentator Of The Year - Martin Tyler (Sky Sports)
-Maybe not as good as a few years ago but still the commentator from that list I'd want on the big games. I like Derek Rae a lot though and do think Fletcher gets a hard time on here (Others sports commentators like Andrew Castle or David Croft are far worse for talking for the sake of talking).
Secondary Commentator Of The Year - Steve Wilson (BBC)
Your Favourite Other Commentator Joe Speight
-Commentator of the year for me. His performances at the Euros stood out, he has a great commentary style and voice.
The 5Live commentators, Murray and McNamara in particular, are great too.
Pundit of the Year - Lee Dixon (ITV)
- Lee is consistently excellent and the Wrighty and Dixon partnership was one of the best ITV have had in years.
Rio at his best is fantastic but is also prone to a lack of research and some lazy punditry.
Your Favourite Other Pundit - Bilic (ITV Euro 2016)/Hargreaves (BT)
For Euros, Slaven Bilic. Great knowledge, plenty of insight and not afraid to disagree with other pundits. Him jumping on the table after Payet scored too was very funny (Wrighty as he does was laughing away in the background).
Otherwise, become a big fan of Owen Hargreaves too. BT's 'Marathon Man' this year and for me is comfortably BT's best pundit in the studio. Intelligent, articulate and a considered analyst. Better in the studio than on commentary mind.
That said very honourable mentions to the likes of Jenas, Kilbane and even Ian Wright. The former two appearing is normally a guarantee of strong analysis and Wrighty's enthusiasm makes his appearances fun to watch.
Senior Co-Commentator of the Year - Alan Smith (Sky Sports).
He's always been Mr Consistent but this year Smith seems to have stepped up his performances even further. His commentaries on Arsenal/Leicester in February and the 4-3 Bournemouth Liverpool game were both very good.
Your Favourite Other Co-Commentator - Andy Hinchcliffe.
- Been a breakout year for him - appearing on plenty of PL matches and well-deserved too.
Honourable mention too to Gerry Armstrong.
Football Presenter of the Year - Gary Lineker (BBC / BT Sport).
Commentary Of The Year - Northern Ireland v Ukraine (Speight and Dowie)
-Speight and Dowie were the best partnership of the Euros. Both really did this game justice and Iain Dowie's goalgasm always make me laugh but is memorable good way.
Similar to Beglin with 'Goal for All Africa', Speight masterfully continued on as if Dowie hadn't celebrated like crazy on commentary.
Hopes for 2017
1) 'Names' for games will go.
2) Any Discussion over "selfies" will disappear from football coverage. They make pundits look massively out of touch. One pundit normally ends up with a truly ridiculous response and assumptions. And most of the time the photos aren't even "selfies".
3) Less of the 'Why has me mate/me dog/I not got a manager's job?' discussion too on TV this year. Savage and Sutton were painful on the Monday Night Club a while back moaning about why Giggsy wasn't made Swansea manager. Just as bad too was Shearer's one-man crusade to become England Manager after England went out Euro 2016. It'd be nice in 2017 for most of these discussions to not end in a pundit pushing themselves or a mate forward for a job.
4) Jermaine Jenas to be used on live coverage rather than wasted on BT Score.
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Sky tweeted a photo of Daniel Mann's commentary notes the other day and it's absolutely nuts - https://twitter.com/i/web/status/809445036765118464
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...”
“Sky tweeted a photo of Daniel Mann's commentary notes the other day and it's absolutely nuts - https://twitter.com/i/web/status/809445036765118464
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...”
Related to this, BBC had a good video up earlier this year with Conor McNamara talking about the research commentators do pre-match (in the video for a Kiev/MC CL game).Says something similar about absorbing as much as possible beforehand.
Link to it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35657393
I've said it before but commentators do a great job making it sound easy when it's anything bad.
Burnley v Sunderland- Alistair Mann for the BBC
Man Utd v Boro- Steve Bower for the BBC
Soton v WBA- Tony Husband for the BBC
Liverpool v Man City- Guy Mowbray for the BBC
Man Utd v Boro- Steve Bower for the BBC
Soton v WBA- Tony Husband for the BBC
Liverpool v Man City- Guy Mowbray for the BBC
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Sky tweeted a photo of Daniel Mann's commentary notes the other day and it's absolutely nuts - https://twitter.com/i/web/status/809445036765118464
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...”
“Sky tweeted a photo of Daniel Mann's commentary notes the other day and it's absolutely nuts - https://twitter.com/i/web/status/809445036765118464
Link to full-size pic (hope this works) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czu593iXEAAn95G.jpg:large
10/10 for preparation and hand-writing. At a glance, you'd think it had been printed out on a computer.
How commentators actually reference these minuscule notes whilst following what is going on in a match is another matter... perhaps the commentators of this thread could lend an insight!?
EDIT: Probably should have listened to the podcast it also links to first - but it would seem the idea is to absorb the information as much as possible in advance, so you aren't so reliant on looking information up during the game. Makes sense, but sounds like a challenge! And comms don't always have the luxury of being able to prepare for a game in this way...”
Not that I am at the sharp end of the ladder by any means but they are superb! Derek Rae also does the tiny handwritten notes looks really hard to imagine how they are easily accessed on when you need something not in the brain! Bill McLaren in rugby's notes are incredible too.
My handwriting is terrible. Prefer to use computerised templates and colours. I don't mind have a few pages of different notes Eg, Squad lists, Goalscoring charts/stats, general matchday info etc etc. Pic 1. / Pic 2. For me slightly bigger fonts etc makes it a bit easier to glance down.
It was shall we say fun when I was uni. Doing 2-3 games a week and mountain of Honours coursework and game notes.
Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.
Originally Posted by seagull_Mark:
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
Gary Weaver?...
Martin Fisher?...
Ian Crocker?...
Damn I would have been hyped if Mann got a live Sky PL game.
Ok I'm still guessing this but I don't think Weaver will do it as there is an EFL game that day and it won't be the usual 4 PL commentators so I think it might be Ian Crocker.
Originally Posted by seagull_Mark:
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
Ian Crocker probably the best bet, as TheSubaru notes, but, even if just for the reaction on this thread, how good would an Ian Darke commentary be (just with a 'very familiar voice', - might be more familiar than Crocker's)
My theory (albeit dreaming somewhat), is that Darke's contract comes to an end tomorrow night, allowing him to re-sign for Sky on a free transfer.
I know it isn't going to happen, but just to see people's opinions on this site, it would be great.
EDIT: However, with respect to Ian Crocker, if Sky put Bill Leslie on the Championship match, that would mean a free Gary Weaver, so who knows, could be him?
And, at an extreme alternative, with the shock we all got at Martin Fisher being on a Championship match earlier in the week, the odds surely have to be slightly shortened on a freelancer doing it? Anyone for Joe Speight? Gary Taphouse?
I guess, unless we get confirmation, we will have to wait and see what Monday throws at us.
Originally Posted by luketwill:
“Ian Crocker probably the best bet, as TheSubaru notes, but, even if just for the reaction on this thread, how good would an Ian Darke commentary be (just with a 'very familiar voice', - might be more familiar than Ian's)
My theory (albeit dreaming somewhat), is that Darke's contract comes to an end tomorrow night, allowing him to re-sign for Sky on a free transfer.
I know it isn't going to happen, but just to see people's opinions on this site, it would be great.”
“Ian Crocker probably the best bet, as TheSubaru notes, but, even if just for the reaction on this thread, how good would an Ian Darke commentary be (just with a 'very familiar voice', - might be more familiar than Ian's
)My theory (albeit dreaming somewhat), is that Darke's contract comes to an end tomorrow night, allowing him to re-sign for Sky on a free transfer.
I know it isn't going to happen, but just to see people's opinions on this site, it would be great.”
Along with the speculation that Mann will join BT sport in the January transfer window
Originally Posted by foxinthebox:
“Along with the speculation that Mann will join BT sport in the January transfer window”
“Along with the speculation that Mann will join BT sport in the January transfer window
”
A plausible, if not unrealistic reason as to why we haven't seen Mann in a few days
Originally Posted by seagull_Mark:
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
“Daniel Mann again taken off duty for 2nd Jan. He was due to do the live PL Middlesbrough v Leicester game. I must admit I do not know exactly why he's been missing.
It does however mean a very familiar voice will be doing his first live Sky PL commentary of the season in Mann's absence.”
Mann was due to do a live SKY PL game? That's unusual.
It's a difficult one as I tend to think it's a bit insensitive to speculate but I hope Daniel mann is OK, if ill or close family member is.
I think crocker on monday
I think crocker on monday
BBC Match of the Day - Saturday 31st December 2016
Hull City v Everton (Friday) - Martin Fisher
Burnley v Sunderland - Alistair Mann
Chelsea v Stoke City - John Motson
Leicester v West Ham - Simon Brotherton
Man United v Middlesbrough - Steve Bower
Southampton v West Brom - Tony Husband
Swansea v Bournemouth - John Roder
Liverpool v Man City - Guy Mowbray
BBC Match of the Day 2 - Sunday 1st January 2017
Watford v Tottenham - Steve Wilson
Arsenal v Crystal Palace - Jonathan Pearce
A quick side note to alert viewers that MOTD is on BBC Two at 10pm tomorrow night and MOTD2 on BBC One at 11pm Sunday night, different times than usual, and in MOTD's case, a different channel.
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