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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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seagull_Mark
19-08-2016
Ryan Giggs in the studio for Friday Night Football. Aiming to complete his clean sweep of broadcasters soon, after ITV and BT appearances.
bwfcol
19-08-2016
Few comments on here about Dan Walker but his Olympics shows are being praised
Tony Yeboah
19-08-2016
Stoke City v Man City- Alistair Mann for the BBC
Burnley v Liverpool- Nigel Adderley for the BBC
Swansea City v Hull City- Tony Husband for the BBC
WBA v Everton- John Roder for the BBC

Wednesday 31 August on RTE 2

Republic of Ireland v Oman- Darragh Maloney presents highlights. With commentary by George Hamilton.
arunan22
19-08-2016
Pure arrogance by BT yet again IMO. Thinking they know better than every other PL broadcaster around the world in the way they approach football coverage. To echo other posters, have no idea what research they base their decisions on - I know anecdotal evidence isnt saying much but I have yet to meet a single football fan that would say BT's coverage is 'good'.

What makes it worse - is BT's terrible decisions seem to be impacting Sky's thought process - I have serious concerns at how Friday Night Football will tone itself - it sounds like a recipe for disaster, and I suspect Sky wouldnt bother if BT were a bit more serious.
Andrew
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by Readingfan:
“Fletcher's prominence is one of the worst broadcasting decisions I can think of in recent years. I'd not only say Darke is vastly superior but there are four or five other broadcasters BT use reasonably regularly who I rate as being a class above a man who has shown virtually no improvement in the last three years. Anyone have an idea of a good email address at BT to send feedback to?”

Head of sport Simon Green ( Simon.Green@btsport.com ) is always happy to have an exchange of views. You may have to wait a week or two for a reply though.
Steve Williams
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by arunan22:
“What makes it worse - is BT's terrible decisions seem to be impacting Sky's thought process - I have serious concerns at how Friday Night Football will tone itself - it sounds like a recipe for disaster, and I suspect Sky wouldnt bother if BT were a bit more serious.”

BT weren't around when Tim Lovejoy was doing League Cup games for Sky.
bwfcol
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“BT weren't around when Tim Lovejoy was doing League Cup games for Sky.”

Or when they started to use Dwight Yorke?
BFGArmy
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by arunan22:
“Pure arrogance by BT yet again IMO. Thinking they know better than every other PL broadcaster around the world in the way they approach football coverage. To echo other posters, have no idea what research they base their decisions on - I know anecdotal evidence isnt saying much but I have yet to meet a single football fan that would say BT's coverage is 'good'.

What makes it worse - is BT's terrible decisions seem to be impacting Sky's thought process - I have serious concerns at how Friday Night Football will tone itself - it sounds like a recipe for disaster, and I suspect Sky wouldnt bother if BT were a bit more serious.”

The odd thing is their CL coverage is on the whole rather good I thought (in comparison to the doomsday scenarios some of us - me included - were predicting).
Strong presenter, normally strong pundits, relatively gimmick-free and a good tone of coverage.

For me despite the criticism of Fletcher on here, I think Jake Humphrey is a bigger issue. He appears the most of probably anyone and is arguably 'the face of BT' but I just can't warm to him at all.
Football365's Mediawatch yesterday and today (always a good read) have sections on him which I'm sure his many fans on here will appreciate - attached below.

http://www.football365.com/news/medi...man-merson-you
http://www.football365.com/news/medi...arsenal-return

And to be fair all broadcasters have made some decidely odd decisions at times. This year alone we're had Mark Bowen thrown out of nowhere onto commentary for Wales's biggest match in years and nearly a dozen people involved on-screen for one Euros match.
Not saying BT don't make some awful decisions at times - they do - but plenty of other broadcasters do as well.
Tony Yeboah
19-08-2016
Watford v Chelsea- Mark Scott for the BBC
arunan22
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“The odd thing is their CL coverage is on the whole rather good I thought (in comparison to the doomsday scenarios some of us - me included - were predicting).
Strong presenter, normally strong pundits, relatively gimmick-free and a good tone of coverage.

For me despite the criticism of Fletcher on here, I think Jake Humphrey is a bigger issue. He appears the most of probably anyone and is arguably 'the face of BT' but I just can't warm to him at all.
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Fair point - their CL coverage has been very good (even if they are forced to have the scoreboard in the right place by UEFA!)
Jonny_Bentley1
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“For me despite the criticism of Fletcher on here, I think Jake Humphrey is a bigger issue. He appears the most of probably anyone and is arguably 'the face of BT' but I just can't warm to him at all.”

I actually think Fletcher would be a good presenting anchor for BT. I agree he's a decent comm who just pales a little when compared with Darke but I think he really got the most out of the pundits on Fletch and Sav.
luketwill
19-08-2016
BBC Match of the Day - Saturday 20th August

Just to collate it all into one place

Man United v Southampton - Steve Wilson

Stoke City v Man City - Alistair Mann
Burnley v Liverpool - Nigel Adderley
Swansea v Hull City - Tony Husband
Tottenham v Crystal Palace - Guy Mowbray
Watford v Chelsea - Mark Scott
West Brom v Everton - John Roder
Leicester City v Arsenal - Steve Wilson

BBC Match of the Day 2 - Sunday 21st August

Sunderland v Middlesbrough - Martin Fisher
West Ham v Bournemouth - Steve Wilson
mlt11
19-08-2016
I think we just have to accept that BT has taken this decision based on the fact that they see Fletcher as far more of a “name” and a “personality” than Darke.

If BT sent out a survey and asked people to name their commentators I imagine far more people would name Fletcher than Darke – he’s better known because he’s appeared on screen in a separate programme and he’s generally just done a wider range of stuff (including R5L presenting) whereas Darke is “just a commentator” who is less high profile and very rarely seen.

I don’t like the decision and nor, it appears, do most people on here. But I think that’s why the decision has been taken.

The other thing is that with only one PL game per weekend (except for approx 4 weekends) they actually only need one regular PL commentator. So if they prefer Fletcher they may as well use him every weekend.
Jamesp84
19-08-2016
Alan Smith is co-comm tonight.
BFGArmy
19-08-2016
4 pundits for FNF - Thierry, Carragher, Giggs and Jamie Redknapp.

Tyler, Smith, Shreeves and Kammy shown in vision.

Much, much more informal presentation and vibe than usual. The 30 minute post show seems to be reactions from people in a pub which could be interesting..
frost
19-08-2016
Way too many pundits/presenters...
JBO
19-08-2016
What was that guff in the Manchester pub all about?


Blonde bird was tidy though
BFGArmy
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by JBO:
“What was that guff in the Manchester pub all about?


Blonde bird was tidy though”

That's the show at 10.45pm I think - 30 minutes reaction after the game from a pub. Explains the 'In Off The Bar' name.
mlt11
19-08-2016
We hear that Sky Sports is (supposedly) cost cutting – yet money is being wasted completely unnecessarily on a load of nonsense.

Rachel Riley is contributing nothing other than just being there – there’s no need for two presenters, she’s not saying anything that couldn’t be said by Stelling and what she is saying is largely simplistic.

I guess it doesn’t really matter as it’s only 10 games – I just hope they don’t even think of doing any of this sort of stuff on other PL games.
rammie96
19-08-2016
I watched the first 15 minutes and I still don't know who Man Utd are actually playing tonight. Is there definitely another team involved?
CardioCortez
19-08-2016
On Twitter, the Soccer AM account seems to be promoting the reaction show and asking "who's coming?" which suggests their team is behind it.
CardioCortez
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by rammie96:
“I watched the first 15 minutes and I still don't know who Man Utd are actually playing tonight. Is there definitely another team involved?”

Sky usually focus on one team in a 15 minute block before going to commercial and focussing on the other. After the break, they're talking about Southampton.
CardioCortez
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“4 pundits for FNF - Thierry, Carragher, Giggs and Jamie Redknapp.

Tyler, Smith, Shreeves and Kammy shown in vision.

Much, much more informal presentation and vibe than usual. The 30 minute post show seems to be reactions from people in a pub which could be interesting..”

No suits worn by the men like they usually would be on Sky's presentation of the Premier League is one example of the informal idea.
pakokelso93
19-08-2016
Sky have doing casual/matey but polished better in half an hour than BT have in 3+ years!

Looks slick, but relaxed! Maybe too one-sided team focus wise so far though.
pakokelso93
19-08-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“We hear that Sky Sports is (supposedly) cost cutting – yet money is being wasted completely unnecessarily on a load of nonsense.

Rachel Riley is contributing nothing other than just being there – there’s no need for two presenters, she’s not saying anything that couldn’t be said by Stelling and what she is saying is largely simplistic.

I guess it doesn’t really matter as it’s only 10 games – I just hope they don’t even think of doing any of this sort of stuff on other PL games.”

Bar Riley, all other people involved are contracted to Sky - so no hardship. Riley slotted in well for me.
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