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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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P.U.L.S.E
20-08-2016
I am really enjoying the IMG Media Premier League Productions 24/7 live streaming and on demand replays and highlights service on Optus Sport in Australia. Good to see the world feed with decent pre and post game studio coverage.

I really like this seasons Premier League theme music that is being used for Premier League Productions studio coverage intros, and coming in and out of ad breaks, composed by Mark Adair...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2V01xLYKC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B99q...ature=youtu.be

https://lbbonline.com/news/the-premi...and-new-sound/

Manish Bhasin presenting todays 3 game Saturday coverage, with Andy Townsend and Ryan Giggs.

Really enjoyed Owen Hargreaves analysis for last nights game alongside Ian Wright. Peter Schmeichel was with Rio Ferdinand as pundits of the 2 games last Sunday. They have had the pre match thoughts of Peter Drury & co commentator Phil Neville/Jim Beglin last night and today.

Im happy to see the world feed put so much effort into their coverage, giving it a bit of a Sky Sports feel.

Does anyone know if Premier League Productions have a detailed 24/7 schedule for their live streaming content? If anyone knows it would be appreciated.
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
To confirm full line up:

Stoke v MC (Sky Sports 1):

Simon Thomas presenting with Niall Quinn and Graeme Souness as pundits

Commentators: Alan Parry and Davie Provan
promo-only
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by P.U.L.S.E:
“I am really enjoying the IMG Media Premier League Productions 24/7 live streaming and on demand replays and highlights service on Optus Sport in Australia. Good to see the world feed with decent pre and post game studio coverage.

I really like this seasons Premier League theme music that is being used for Premier League Productions studio coverage intros, and coming in and out of ad breaks, composed by Mark Adair...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2V01xLYKC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B99q...ature=youtu.be

https://lbbonline.com/news/the-premi...and-new-sound/

Manish Bhasin presenting todays 3 game Saturday coverage, with Andy Townsend and Ryan Giggs.

Really enjoyed Owen Hargreaves analysis for last nights game alongside Ian Wright. Peter Schmeichel was with Rio Ferdinand as pundits of the 2 games last Sunday. They have had the pre match thoughts of Peter Drury & co commentator Phil Neville/Jim Beglin last night and today.

Im happy to see the world feed put so much effort into their coverage, giving it a bit of a Sky Sports feel.

Does anyone know if Premier League Productions have a detailed 24/7 schedule for their live streaming content? If anyone knows it would be appreciated.”

They've had a studio for ages. It used to be presented by John Dykes with Andy Townsend as the main studio analyst but I've not seen it this year so not sure if they're still doing it?

They don't have a 24-hour schedule as such - they offer the content and broadcasters pick and choose what they take to fill their schedules.
The Lizard
20-08-2016
From last night:

German Cup (DFB Pokal) 1st Round - Carl-Zeiss Jena v Bayern Munich:

BT Sport 3 - Tim Caple



French Ligue 1 - Lyon v Caen:

BT Sport 1 - Dave Farrar and Clive Allen



Today:

Chinese Super League - Tianjin Teda v Shandong Luneng Taishan:

Sky Sports 3 - Wayne Boyce
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by P.U.L.S.E:
“I am really enjoying the IMG Media Premier League Productions 24/7 live streaming and on demand replays and highlights service on Optus Sport in Australia. Good to see the world feed with decent pre and post game studio coverage.

I really like this seasons Premier League theme music that is being used for Premier League Productions studio coverage intros, and coming in and out of ad breaks, composed by Mark Adair...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2V01xLYKC4

https://lbbonline.com/news/the-premi...and-new-sound/

Manish Bhasin presenting todays 3 game Saturday coverage, with Andy Townsend and Ryan Giggs.

Really enjoyed Owen Hargreaves analysis for last nights game alongside Ian Wright. Peter Schmeichel was with Rio Ferdinand as pundits of the 2 games last Sunday. They have had the pre match thoughts of Peter Drury & co commentator Phil Neville/Jim Beglin last night and today.

Im happy to see the world feed put so much effort into their coverage, giving it a bit of a Sky Sports feel.

Does anyone know if Premier League Productions have a detailed 24/7 schedule for their live streaming content? If anyone knows it would be appreciated.”

Ryan Giggs is certainly getting around. There always seems to be one person every season who for a short burst appears on any show going - Big Sam Allardyce, Tim Sherwood and 'Arry Redknapp being previous examples. Might well be Giggsy this year.

Does sound like the PLP coverage is really good this season - good presenters, some strong pundits used already and great commentary line-ups. And it sounds like it's minus the gimmicks we get on BT and Sky.

Originally Posted by promo-only:
“They've had a studio for ages. It used to be presented by John Dykes with Andy Townsend as the main studio analyst but I've not seen it this year so not sure if they're still doing it?

They don't have a 24-hour schedule as such - they offer the content and broadcasters pick and choose what they take to fill their schedules.”

While I don't watch (as I'm in the UK), piecing it together John Dykes I think presents Sundays and either commentary or some sort of 'Score' show on Saturday 3pm.

Townsend now presents the PLP version of MNF and I think commentates on Sundays with some punditry work included at times too.

Manish Bhasin presents Saturdays.
P.U.L.S.E
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Ryan Giggs is certainly getting around. There always seems to be one person every season who for a short burst appears on any show going - Big Sam Allardyce, Tim Sherwood and 'Arry Redknapp being previous examples. Might well be Giggsy this year.

Does sound like the PLP coverage is really good this season - good presenters, some strong pundits used already and great commentary line-ups. And it sounds like it's minus the gimmicks we get on BT and Sky.



While I don't watch (as I'm in the UK), piecing it together John Dykes I think presents Sundays and either commentary or some sort of 'Score' show on Saturday 3pm.

Townsend now presents the PLP version of MNF and I think commentates on Sundays with some punditry work included at times too.

Manish Bhasin presents Saturdays.”

What I have seen so far, I prefer the PLP studio coverage to Sky. For me, once the Keys/Gray era ended at Sky, it just hasnt been the same. I only watch Sky games for Martin Tyler commentary and Gary Neville analysis/co commentary.

Phil Neville as a PLP touch screen analyst, not bad at all - Gary has taught him well ha ha.

Really impressed with Andy Townsend as touch screen analyst and Manish is a good Saturday presenter and does a great weekly Sunday Supplement style show each Tuesday with journos, this week he was with John Cross and Neil Ashton.

Compared to what im used to from the world feed, I couldnt be more impressed.
pakokelso93
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Really? i thought it was all very cringe worthy at times and well below Sky's normally good standards of football presentations.

They should move away quickly from this young person's approach it really dosnt suit them at all and was an awful attempt to do so.

As there are only 10 games on a Friday night, they should of just kept it like their midweek special matches, start 7.00-7.30, quick discussion and then into the football, probably would save them quite a bit of money as well.”

They have/had to try something a bit different. If they rocked up at half 7 for a 15-30 minute suits and boots studio build up with Dwight Yorke - we'd be saying they've not bothered their arse with it - like the old Saturday lunchtimes. They've tried to engage with a market who will be a group of mates in their livingroom having a curry/pizza, few beers getting your weekend started. You have the pre-FNF and post FNF pub yoof shows then you have the main event with plenty of studio chat, analysis and some 'cool' packages/features. Tubes etc is obviously marmite to some. but the Soccer AM goes for their target, and you still get the nuts and bolts of the match and touchscreen stuff.

It wouldn't save any money really if they had half the team there, as I mentioned majority of that team are contracted so no difference. They signed up Riley and obviously Giggs would have a fee but the rest go wherever they are rostered to!

It is easy just to keep same/old. SNF didn't work greatly but again tried to make sure people didn't complain things were stale. We can't all age and just say we should have the same thing, then Sky's coverage would be like RTE or something with same 2-3 pundits who have been on for decades.

I've said Soccer Saturday doesn't really need to change. Okay you might want to see McInally or Cottee occasionally a bit more on the panel but as that is once (or twice) a week it still feels relevant with Sky having so much live football every weekend/midweek - need to think out of the box to have different feel to some nights.

Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“All the below happened:
-A section broadcasting from a pub which had a woman asking Carragher and Redknapp when they have dinner.

-A whole section dedicated to Soccer AM's Tubes and Nathan Redmond dancing (followed by clips of footballers doing dancing celebrations and a Razor Ruddock strip tease from ALOTO)

-Kammy running about the MU dressing room before the teams arrived.

I'm choosing to leave out the in-studio banter too - which was a blatant transparent attempt to mimic BT and Soccer Saturday.

What I don't get is if Sky are after the more casual, fun-loving viewer for FNF, surely they'd actually be out on a Friday night rather than sitting in to watch the football?

And surely that sort of market is already well-covered by the likes of FFC, Soccer AM and Soccer Saturday?

I didn't catch much after kick-off- was watching the Olympics and out with friends - but for me the show seemed a mess and more Wimbledon 2Day than Soccer Saturday.

I mean doing one of the features mentioned above could possibly be fair enough but there was so many features and gimmicks that the bit I saw seemed more obsessed with 'Oh, look what Kammy's up to', 'oh look who Rachel and Jeff were with' than the actual match coming up.
What makes Soccer Saturday work so well is while it's still a relaxed show and has plenty of jokes and banter at the end of the day giving the scores is the total focus of the show. I always worry whenever gimmicks start getting thrown into a show - at the end of the day people who are tuning in for live sport want to watch live sport.

Though if they do want to stick with this type of show then they really should just go all in and have the Soccer Saturday crew as pundits.

It's only the first show though so you hope over time they lose some of the gimmicks, cut the show length a little - and reduce the headcount on the show significantly.”

I feel the above misses the point a bit of the show. Again this thread isn't really the target market. Last week we where talking about how the glossy sky graphics were going to be changed or starting to date!

BiB - Soccer AM, FFC and the other pub thing is what 2-3 hours of programming a week - not a ton for the demographic.

We have a wide range of ages on this board, I can only speak as someone probably in the target market of the show (18-30ish) and obviously for me a lot of it worked, I'm not a huge Soccer AM watcher so things like whizzy 'cool' packages will be hit or miss, but Tubes/Nathan Redmond dance thing is one of those things that will get hits for the demographic and engage heavily with social media etc. Pogba-Henry was decent and Mourhino with Jeff/Rachel your standard vt sort of interview.

Kammy was a bit lively but was fine. Geoff looked a bit uncomfy saying welcome back at 7pm with the teams but no problem. Quite liked how all the team effectively linked after a break. Even at Half Time - Tyler welcomed as back straight off the back of it (wasn't handed over).

So on view it was different the build up, a touch Man Utd heavy, some stuff maybe a marmite/age thing to some but the nuts and bolts watcher of switching on 10-15 mins from kickoff and switching off after post-match interviews got the same service.

If every 18-30 year old age bracket poster here disagrees though then I'll shut up!
mromega
20-08-2016
Martin Tyler and Jamie Carragher on Burnley v Liverpool for Sky Sports (Ireland only)
sat-ire
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by mromega:
“Martin Tyler and Jamie Carragher on Burnley v Liverpool for Sky Sports (Ireland only)”

Good to see they're respecting the Irish audience by putting their number 1 commentator on and removing Niall Quinn from the studio
chrisfinch
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by mromega:
“Martin Tyler and Jamie Carragher on Burnley v Liverpool for Sky Sports (Ireland only)”

Hayley McQueen presenting with Keith Andrews in the studio, and David Craig reporting. It's available on Sky Go for those 'visitors' to Ireland, which is quite good.
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“They have/had to try something a bit different. If they rocked up at half 7 for a 15-30 minute suits and boots studio build up with Dwight Yorke - we'd be saying they've not bothered their arse with it - like the old Saturday lunchtimes. They've tried to engage with a market who will be a group of mates in their livingroom having a curry/pizza, few beers getting your weekend started. You have the pre-FNF and post FNF pub yoof shows then you have the main event with plenty of studio chat, analysis and some 'cool' packages/features. Tubes etc is obviously marmite to some. but the Soccer AM goes for their target, and you still get the nuts and bolts of the match and touchscreen stuff.

It is easy just to keep same/old. SNF didn't work greatly but again tried to make sure people didn't complain things were stale. We can't all age and just say we should have the same thing, then Sky's coverage would be like RTE or something with same 2-3 pundits who have been on for decades.

I've said Soccer Saturday doesn't really need to change. Okay you might want to see McInally or Cottee occasionally a bit more on the panel but as that is once (or twice) a week it still feels relevant with Sky having so much live football every weekend/midweek - need to think out of the box to have different feel to some nights.



I feel the above misses the point a bit of the show. Again this thread isn't really the target market. Last week we where talking about how the glossy sky graphics were going to be changed or starting to date!

We have a wide range of ages on this board, I can only speak as someone probably in the target market of the show (18-30ish) and obviously for me a lot of it worked, I'm not a huge Soccer AM watcher so things like whizzy 'cool' packages will be hit or miss, but Tubes/Nathan Redmond dance thing is one of those things that will get hits for the demographic and engage heavily with social media etc. Pogba-Henry was decent and Mourhino with Jeff/Rachel your standard vt sort of interview.

If every 18-30 year old age bracket poster here disagrees though then I'll shut up! ”

At the very least FNF has encouraged some discussion on here.

On the Saturday lunchtimes, I actually feel Sky have again made them almost feel the poor relation to the other shows. FNF is very much made to feel like event TV, MNF has a big reputation and Super Sunday had loads of pundit and effort put into it. Whereas Saturday lunchtime just gets 2 or 3 pundits and bog standard presentation.

That said I do like the Saturday lunchtime coverage thus far. No nonsense and Simon Thomas already feels like he's fitting in brilliantly.

I'm also in that target 18-30 range but probably the opposite in terms of view of FNF. I just find the tone a bit pointless - if people want to watch the match, they'll watch it anyway and if people weren't going to watch the match, they'll watch something else or go out instead and won't watch just for 'banter'.

Though if they are doing that sort of tone they did last night then maybe it would make sense to use the Soccer Saturday pundits rather than the four last night. Prevents the usual lot of Henry, Carragher, Redknapp etc. from being too overexposed for one thing.

Did catch some of the rest of the game later with mates also from that 18-30 age group (who aren't like us and probably more Sky's target market) and their general thoughts seemed to be that they liked the addition of Riley - she has quite a fanbase - thought Jeff wasn't too comfortable and that there were too many pundits - even from the studio alone.
Hardly extensive research but some views.

Ideally we'd have all of the NBC, PLP and UK coverage and be able to compare and bash all of them equally.
Chris_Wilson
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by P.U.L.S.E:
“I am really enjoying the IMG Media Premier League Productions 24/7 live streaming and on demand replays and highlights service on Optus Sport in Australia. Good to see the world feed with decent pre and post game studio coverage.

I really like this seasons Premier League theme music that is being used for Premier League Productions studio coverage intros, and coming in and out of ad breaks, composed by Mark Adair...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2V01xLYKC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B99q...ature=youtu.be

https://lbbonline.com/news/the-premi...and-new-sound/

Manish Bhasin presenting todays 3 game Saturday coverage, with Andy Townsend and Ryan Giggs.

Really enjoyed Owen Hargreaves analysis for last nights game alongside Ian Wright. Peter Schmeichel was with Rio Ferdinand as pundits of the 2 games last Sunday. They have had the pre match thoughts of Peter Drury & co commentator Phil Neville/Jim Beglin last night and today.

Im happy to see the world feed put so much effort into their coverage, giving it a bit of a Sky Sports feel.

Does anyone know if Premier League Productions have a detailed 24/7 schedule for their live streaming content? If anyone knows it would be appreciated.”

the 2005 premier league theme for me was the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8gg9EmPqfQ
seagull_Mark
20-08-2016
The problem which will be there for all of Sky's PL coverage is that they are too long for just one game and as a result have to fill with over-analysis and gimmicks. A lot of the pundit talk is very boring. So something a bit more interesting like last night is long overdue.

I was quite happy with how Friday Night Football went, Giggs was very good and Carragher got the feel of it spot on. Redknapp fitted in well even if he's incredibly lightweight as a pundit. Kamara going around the ground is exactly the sort of feature I welcome to live games.

Everything is too serious usually; football is fun and Sky (and us on here) need to remember that sometimes. Better than "Is this guy a top player, or a top, top player? Let's discuss that for 5 minutes with Henry and Redknapp."
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
BT Score have two people (comedians I think) that I'm never seen before reading out tweets. Back to Soccer Saturday I go.

These channels really do need to remember what we're tuning in for.

Have to say from the small bits I've seen of the BT show Harry Kewell seems good and should maybe be part of live match coverage.
sat-ire
20-08-2016
Burnley 2 Liverpool 0

Burnley fans having fun in injury time:

"Jamie, Jamie what's the score?"

"You're just a sh*t Gary Neville!"

I wonder if he heard?
mightymillie
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“BT Score have two people (comedians I think) that I'm never seen before reading out tweets. Back to Soccer Saturday I go.

These channels really do need to remember what we're tuning in for.

Have to say from the small bits I've seen of the BT show Harry Kewell seems good and should maybe be part of live match coverage.”

I've only been watching for 20 minutes, but Kewell is truly abysmal, the weakest on the panel by a long way.

Dion Dublin is stronger than I expected, and Ince isn't bad either.
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“I've only been watching for 20 minutes, but Kewell is truly abysmal, the weakest on the panel by a long way.

Dion Dublin is stronger than I expected, and Ince isn't bad either.”

Goodness worse than 'Arry?

As I say haven't seen much but thought he and Brown-Finnis were good when I saw it.

Leicester/Arsenal
Jake Humphrey joined by Michael Owen and Ian Wright as pundits.
Sounds like we might have Fletch and Sav on commentary if bwfcol is right (plus likely Hoddle you'd imagine)

I defend BT a lot but sorry that is an awful line-up for a game between the top two from last season.
Sounds like none of Scholes, Ferdinand, Hargreaves or Mcmanaman involved.
P.U.L.S.E
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by Chris_Wilson:
“the 2005 premier league theme for me was the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8gg9EmPqfQ”

I like that one as well, and there have been some good ones over the years. This new one is my favorite though, very atmospheric, progressive and uplifting vibe from composer Mark Adair.

I enjoyed the Sky intros with Paul Weller - Out Of The Sinking and Andreas Johnson - Glorious in the early 2000s. Their best one I think has always been Fluke - Absurd (Whitewash Mix) for MNF.
mlt11
20-08-2016
Just a note that Sky's main target market is not 18-30s - Sky subscribers, and in particular high paying subscribers skew massively towards ABC1, well-off, owner occupiers - with subscription decision being taken by head of household.

In contrast 18-30s are far, far more likely to be less well off, renting or still living with parents etc so not taking household subscription decision.

However that doesn't mean Sky shouldn't target 18-30s as a particular niche and 18-30s are much more likely to be potential NOW TV customers as it's far more flexible, with no long term commitment and not a household decision.

So potentially worth targeting some of their content at this market, but not too much - which may explain why they've done this with FNF - just 10 games a season, not that big a deal, not enough to put off people who want the traditional type of presentation (as they'll just ignore it), but with the upside of attracting some new people who want this kind of stuff.
CardioCortez
20-08-2016
I'm in the 18-30 market and I enjoyed the coverage as previously said.
P.U.L.S.E
20-08-2016
Im liking the Premier League Productions picture in picture feature where you can have your main screen on with 3 mini screens on the right side so you can watch 4 of the 3pm kickoffs at once and can click on any of the mini screens to switch as your main screen game. Goals Rush where they cross around the grounds to show each goal soon after it goes in is great.
BFGArmy
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by P.U.L.S.E:
“Im liking the Premier League Productions picture in picture feature where you can have your main screen on with 3 mini screens on the right side so you can watch 4 of the 3pm kickoffs at once and can click on any of the mini screens to switch as your main screen game. Goals Rush where they cross around the grounds to show each goal soon after it goes in is great.”

The Goals Rush sounds similar to the Goals Show BT did last season for the Champions League and Europa League too I think which was great.

Also to continue the theme I'm in the 18-30s market and am not a fan of either FNF or this BT line-up. And the more I hear about PLP the more I like it.

Fletcher, Savage and Hoddle on commentary for Leicester/Arsenal (a.k.a Fletch, Sav and Hodds)

Fletch telling us 'Your Saturday night starts right here'.
Torch81
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“The Goals Rush sounds similar to the Goals Show BT did last season for the Champions League and Europa League too I think which was great.

Also to continue the theme I'm in the 18-30s market and am not a fan of either FNF or this BT line-up. And the more I hear about PLP the more I like it.

Fletcher, Savage and Hoddle on commentary for Leicester/Arsenal (a.k.a Fletch, Sav and Hodds)

Fletch telling us 'Your Saturday night starts right here'. ”

Diabolical line up. Honestly can't stand either of the first two. Virtually every sentence Fletcher utters contains a minimum of at least one "er" and Savage is seemingly incapable of not including a "y'know" in any of his. Oh well, change of plan, highlights via MOTD for me then.
casinoman13
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Just a note that Sky's main target market is not 18-30s - Sky subscribers, and in particular high paying subscribers skew massively towards ABC1, well-off, owner occupiers - with subscription decision being taken by head of household.

In contrast 18-30s are far, far more likely to be less well off, renting or still living with parents etc so not taking household subscription decision.

However that doesn't mean Sky shouldn't target 18-30s as a particular niche and 18-30s are much more likely to be potential NOW TV customers as it's far more flexible, with no long term commitment and not a household decision.

So potentially worth targeting some of their content at this market, but not too much - which may explain why they've done this with FNF - just 10 games a season, not that big a deal, not enough to put off people who want the traditional type of presentation (as they'll just ignore it), but with the upside of attracting some new people who want this kind of stuff.”

Not seen any figures for last night but at a guess i would say they would be poor as they were up against some strong Olympics coverage on BBC.

I think Sky are clutching at straws in the hope they will see a increase in new people.
casinoman13
20-08-2016
Originally Posted by Torch81:
“Diabolical line up. Honestly can't stand either of the first two. Virtually every sentence Fletcher utters contains a minimum of at least one "er" and Savage is seemingly incapable of not including a "y'know" in any of his. Oh well, change of plan, highlights via MOTD for me then.”

Savage just seems totally different to when he was covering the Euro's.

He always feels he has to be right here and seems the need to always have a different point to Hoddle.
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