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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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TheSubaru2012
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Darren Fletcher confirming he is commentating on the community shield next Sunday....no surprise there.

Also on Twitter he was asked if he was commentating on all the big games and he replied...Yes!

Again i suppose no surprise considering how he ended last season, wonder if BT will announce he is going to be their main commentator for the next few seasons?”

Considering that Fletcher has commentated on all the PL games so far and Darke announcing he has no PL in the lineup then I think Darke will only be weekends where BT Sport will have 2 games and midweeks. Another reason why I think Fletch is getting more commentaries is because of the axing of Fletch & Sav, think BT want to fill the amount of air-time lost by Fletch & Sav, I also wouldn't entirely rule out Darke to scale down slightly his commentary commitments. Finally here's a fun fact for the last couple of years, the person who commentates on the CS for BT also calls the FA Cup Final..
digiremote
22-08-2016
Valencia v Las Palmas - Sky Sports 1.

Commentators: Rob Palmer and Garry Birtles
Steve Williams
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I always thought Soccer AM was really a children's programme - I've never seen more than brief clips of it so maybe that's unfair and maybe I thought it partly because it was on Saturday morning in the slot when BBC / ITV used to have children's programming - I don't know.”

Well, when it began it was certainly aimed at a younger audience, hence the original 7am start time, Helen Chamberlin joining from Nickelodeon and the adverts I remember seeing in video games magazines when I used to buy them, twenty years ago. But the reference to the Saturday morning shows is a relevant one because those shows appealed to a far wider audience than kids, partly because they were the only things on television for many years - the opposition to things like Going Live was either the Open University or a blank screen, so loads of adults tuned in as well. And similarly even if it was aimed at a younger audience than the rest of Sky's output, it certainly got older viewers as well because there were no other football programmes on. I remember when it first became talked about in the late nineties a lot of its appeal was based on the fact that it was at the perfect time for footballers themselves to watch while they were in their hotels, so it managed to attract quite a few as guests and that gave it some credibility.

It's definitely not a children's programme now, especially as Sky Sports now actually have programmes specifically aimed at children in Game Changers and Nick Kicks. Soccer AM is clearly supposed to skew younger than the rest of the Sky Sports output and the reference to Top Gear is a salient one, it's that kind of dads-and-kids audience it's aimed at. For a while it was also considered a very important place for the music industry and a lot of bands credited their success to an appearance on that because it attracted a lot of young men.

I watched it for a couple of years, and didn't especially mind it, but it was more because of a lack of anything else, before I became totally bored with it and stopped completely a few years back. I think pretty much everyone is pretty clear that it's long past its best, and the best example of that is its Wikipedia page, which is incredibly out of date, still referring to features from several years ago as "new", rather illustrating the lack of interest in the show as it stands as nobody can be bothered to update it. From the few brief looks I've had at it recently it seems to have had something of a radical revamp in the last year or so, not that anyone seems that interested.

Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“To be fair the biggest thing BT get slagged off for are the 'Cool people' advert and Jake's quite awful 'That's the way we do things on BT Sport' garbage - both of which truly are/were awful.”

Well, certainly the former was a slightly crap advert, but it was clearly tongue in cheek - Darren Fletcher in particularly looked hugely embarrassed to be in it - and they barely ran it that often. It's surely no more embarrassing than having Ian Holloway on the side of bus driving around Britain, or the rubbish gimmicks with Jim White in a helicopter. You can't write the whole channel off on the basis of one trailer, ages ago now.

I find Jake quite an irksome presenter but that's his style, alas. And again, it's not exclusive to BT because Richard Keys was a massive one for boasting about Sky's line-up and talking up their role and doing heavy brand-building, especially in the early days of Sky when they needed to be noticed - and it is still the early days of BT.

We mention how good BT's European coverage is, and I would also like to put in a word for its Conference coverage which is produced with plenty of enthusiasm and I find it far more interesting and a far better advert for the league than Sky's coverage of League One and Two. I don't watch the Scottish football but I have seen several people on Twitter saying how it's way better than Sky who rather phone it in. So the vast majority of BT's coverage is very good. Certainly far more positives than negatives.

Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Did enjoy your review Steve. The BSc Premier League Studies line was a particularly good one. An element of truth to it too - there have been numerous mentions of how football is treated too seriously at times but Sky often contribute to that with MNF and SSN in particular. Don't get me wrong though MNF is a fantastic show and I appreciate some of the fantastic analysis from it.”

Well, yeah, I do like Monday Night Football and I can appreciate what Neville and Carragher do, and I like hearing stuff I don't know. Certainly watching someone talk intelligently about the game can be fascinating. But sometimes I wonder what the point is, and it's not so much on Monday night, but on things like the late and unlamented Saturday Night Football when Jamie Redknapp would drone on with the touch screen, endlessly winding stuff backwards and forwards and scribbling all over the screen to work out Once And For All whose fault a goal was, and really, why does it matter? The goal has been and gone. I know in general football doesn't matter, but you know what I mean. We do not need forensic study of every goal. A lot of them are just because someone's just cocked up.

And also, it's a bit of a shame that we can have such intense discussion of that kind of stuff and people get so worked up about it, but there's little concern about other issues in the game. One thing I like about Danny Baker, which he illustrated on his BT show, is that he actually wanted to know what it was like to be a footballer. Why you do things, how transfers work, all that. And you don't hear that enough.

Actually one of the best bits of football analysis was on MOTD2 when Colin Murray was doing it, who I know was an acquired taste, but he once asked Mick McCarthy to explain the merits of zonal marking and why so many people slag it off, and in about two minutes McCarthy explained what it was and why managers persist in using it despite fans constantly saying it's rubbish. It was to the point and it actually told you something. I know the audience is more tactically aware than ever before but sometimes pundits can be so wrapped up in the game they forget the audience, who are sitting there going, "yes, but WHY did they do that?".

Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“On the celebrities point, given Tubes has already appeared on FNF I wouldn't be surprised if Soccer AM residents Ralph Little/David Haye (or they used to be years back when I last caught it) appear as 'celebrity fans' on 'Off the Bar' at least at some point,”

And Serge from Kasabian, of course. This is the thing, it feels so cliquey and especially with things like Tubes they fritter away so much time on in-jokes. It sometimes feels as if they're more concerned with impressing on the viewer what big mates they are with these people than actually doing anything interesting with them.

As I mentioned yesterday, you'll have seen Bob Mortimer was on MOTD2 and I would love to see someone like that on Friday Night Football because he's a huge football fan, and he offers something from the fan's perspective, but is articulate and amusing with it, not some gurning idiot in a pub. That's surely how you widen the audience and add the entertainment factor, with people who know and like football and have something interesting to say about it - Mortimer, Alistair McGowan, people like that.

Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“Considering that Fletcher has commentated on all the PL games so far and Darke announcing he has no PL in the lineup then I think Darke will only be weekends where BT Sport will have 2 games and midweeks. Another reason why I think Fletch is getting more commentaries is because of the axing of Fletch & Sav, think BT want to fill the amount of air-time lost by Fletch & Sav, I also wouldn't entirely rule out Darke to scale down slightly his commentary commitments.”

Well, indeed, I think this is a the main reason of it - Fletcher's been working every week for them in recent seasons, either as presenter or commentator. He no longer has a presenting gig, for reasons beyond his control, so to give him the same amount of work they're getting him to commentate more instead. If that means Darke does less, so be it.

Gosh, went on a bit there, didn't I?
pakokelso93
22-08-2016
Dunno if it has been mentioned but La Liga has new world feed graphics which are an eye sore! Their colour animation in/out is horrible too.

Also EA and Tag Heuer branding appearing on them too - so I presume both must have similar deal to PL.
Mark F
22-08-2016
I notice this is back for a 2nd series:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p044hfh5
bwfcol
23-08-2016
GNev has done a Twitter Q and A of sorts, he's currently in Bali and won't be back on TV till September 10th
clever3000
23-08-2016
Match of the Day 20/08/2016

Presented by Gary Lineker with Danny Murphy and Phil Neville

Burnley vs Liverpool - Nigel Adderley
Stoke vs Manchester City - Alistair Mann
Watford vs Chelsea - Mark Scott
Swansea vs Hull - Tony Husband
West Brom vs Everton - John Roder
Tottenham vs Crystal Palace - Guy Mowbray
Leicester vs Arsenal - Steve Wilson
Manchester United vs Southampton - Steve Wilson


Match of the Day 2 21/08/2016

Presented by Manish Bhasin with Trevor Sinclair and Kevin Kilbane

Sunderland vs Middlesbrough - Martin Fisher
West Ham vs Bournemouth - Steve Wilson
RickLopez
23-08-2016
Is Phil Neville back at the BBC now then? If he is, that's great as I really rate him as a pundit.

Is he now longer at Valencia?
clever3000
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“Is Phil Neville back at the BBC now then? If he is, that's great as I really rate him as a pundit.

Is he now longer at Valencia?”

He was demoted at Valencia towards the end of last season. He was told he was not part of the matchday team so he isn't needed in Valencia at weekends anyway. But i believe he is still a part of the club in some description. I dont think he will be a regular on MOTD but we will see him from time to time.
ftakeith
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by ftakeith:
“EFS's new features on the first programme are very good as it gives each expert more input
The programme ends at 730pm is when I switched off, was there analysis on the Inter Milan's live game by the EFS panel”

The answer is no.

EFS deserves to be a stand alone programme like Gazetta Foootball Italia on channel 4

I think BT Sport is only going to do analysis on live European Domestic games on some big games such as

Bayern munich v borussia dortmund

juventus v roma/napoli/inter milan

PSG v lyon/marseille
Readingfan
23-08-2016
I'm fairly certain Phil Neville chose to leave Valencia at the end of the season and is looking to go into coaching elsewhere. Don't think he was mentioned in the BBC press pack but has appeared for a number of media outlets over the past few weeks. I think him and Jenas are the best of the regular studio pundits the BBC have started using over the past few years so I was very happy to see him appear.
Tony Yeboah
23-08-2016
Monaco v Villareal- Tony Jones for the world feed
TheSubaru2012
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Sunday 7 August on ITV

Arsenal v Manchester City- Presented by Celina Hinchcliffe, with commentary by Joe Speight and Andy Townsend, and analysis from Kevin Campbell and Dietmar Hamann.”

It's rare to see Celinia get a game for ITV but for me I find her quite dull, he asked the pundits some ok questions but her voice didn't suit me and it hasn't help being squashed in a really small secondary studio which I didn't understand why they used that and not the usual studio. She sounded like that women who did the voiceover for Sky's International Champions Cup but I don't think it was her.

Originally Posted by Ian Cleverly:
“Another re-confirmation comes from Mark Clemmit saying he will not be doing any National league BT presenting duties, as he'll be with the BBC doing Final Score Football League round-ups.”

Don't really see the point of the EFL round-ups, just feel like the main presenter or pundits could read some news out from it rather having an extra presenter doing the round-ups, surprised the Daily Fail didn't file a complaint.

Saying that I am pleased that BT got a great replacement in the form of Matt Smith and Adam Summerton, Smith is a fantastic, experienced presenter while Summerton really is the one to look out for in the future.

Originally Posted by Ollie_S98:
“http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...eague-coverage

Confirmation of Kelly Cates at Sky, looks like Minto will host Friday and Sunday matches whilst Cates will host the Saturday evening clashes.”

Interesting to see Simon Thomas do the EFL Cup instead of Minto, although Ben Shephard did this a few years ago even though he wasn't presenting coverage of any Sky Bet Championship stuff, which then in those days was Thomas and Gavin/Sawyer with Shephard on the 'Carling' Cup.

What's surprising is the move to Sky Studios for the Saturday Championship games, although with the EFL Goals Show becoming like Football On 5 with proper analyses on the games it sort of makes sense to move to Sky Studios. Unlike SNF, this is a format that actually works for presenting off-site.

Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“For the 2016/17 season, the BBC TV offering will consist of six programmes stripped across the weekend. In addition to MotD, the weekend’s action will include MOTD2 and MotD2 Extra presented by Mark Chapman, an extended hour long Football Focus with Dan Walker, Final Score with Jason Mohammad and The Premier League Show fronted by Gabby Logan. From Saturday 10 September, Football Focus will have a new start time of midday on BBC One*.”

I don't see the point of extending to an hour and having it clash with the first game for 30 minutes. At the start of the 2013/14 season, they moved the start time of FF to 12pm-12:45pm to avoid clashing with the 12:45pm game. In the 2014/15-2015/16 seasons it started at 12:10pm-12:50pm, yes it clashed with the 12:45pm game but only for 5 minutes.

It just feels cheeky for the BBC to avoid directly clashing with the 12:45pm game, yet this year they are directly clashing with the 12:30pm game for a whole 30 minutes just for what I think is a ratings move. Surely if it wanted to avoid the 12:30pm yet keep it for an hour they would start it after Saturday Kitchen, like they used to do sometimes when there was F1 on, and start at 11:30am until 12:30pm. From 12:30pm I'm more interested in the live game.
TheSubaru2012
23-08-2016
Linker presenting tonight's CL game on BT Sport 2 from the studio with John Hartson, Gordon Strachan and Johan Mjällby. Derek Rae, Chris Sutton commentating with Darrell Currie reporting.
The Difference
23-08-2016
Tuesday 23rd August - BT Sport 2

Live UEFA Champions League: Hapoel Beer Sheva v Celtic

Gary Lineker presenting from the studio alongside Gordon Strachan, John Hartson and Johan Mjallby

Commentators: Derek Rae and Chris Sutton

Reporter: Darrell Currie


BT Sport 3

UEFA Champions League Play-Off Round Second Leg
Legia Warszawa v Dundalk - Jon Champion and Jim Beglin


BT Sport//ESPN

UEFA Champions League Play-Off Round Second Leg
AS Roma v FC Porto - Guy Mowbray and Trevor Francis


BT Sport Extra

UEFA Champions League Play-Off Round Second Leg
AS Monaco v Villarreal CF (X2) - Jonathan Pearce and Clive Allen
FK Viktoria Plzen v PFC Ludogorets Razgrad (X3) - Dave Farrar and Nigel Spackman
Tony Yeboah
23-08-2016
Legia Warsaw v Dundalk- Nigel Adderley for the world feed
Red Bull Salzburg v GNK Dinamo- Dan O'Hagan for the world feed
jazzydrury3
23-08-2016
Watching Soccer Special.

One of the panel tonight is Hull's Michael Dawson. What.a decent guy, seems calm, makes sense, and seems up for a laugh with the rest of them, at half time they were teasing him, no heirs or graces.
SSReporters
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Legia Warsaw v Dundalk- Nigel Adderley for the world feed
Red Bull Salzburg v GNK Dinamo- Dan O'Hagan for the world feed”

Roma vs. Porto - Martin Tyler and Ray Houghton
BFGArmy
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“Watching Soccer Special.

One of the panel tonight is Hull's Michael Dawson. What.a decent guy, seems calm, makes sense, and seems up for a laugh with the rest of them, at half time they were teasing him, no heirs or graces.”

He's appeared once or twice before I think - I'm sure too he appeared once on a international week Soccer Saturday.

He fits in very well - and it's always nice to see a new face pop up on Soccer Saturday where it often can be the same 6 or 7 people. He's certainly not doing his post-football chances any harm.
David Prutton also on - he's always struck me as a solid pundit.
Tony Yeboah
23-08-2016
Viktoria Plzen v Ludogorets- Ben Andrews
Celtic v Hapoel Be'er-Sheva- Jim Proudfoot and Clarke Carlisle

Manchester City v Steaua Bucuresti- Guy Mowbray and Danny Higginbotham
FC Rostov v Ajax- Dave Farrar
Borussia Monchengladbach v Young Boys- Jonathan Pearce and Dean Ashton
APOEL Nicosia v Kobenhavn- Gary Taphouse
mightymillie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“It's rare to see Celinia get a game for ITV but for me I find her quite dull, he asked the pundits some ok questions but her voice didn't suit me and it hasn't help being squashed in a really small secondary studio which I didn't understand why they used that and not the usual studio.”

The usual studio wasn't available.
Actually ITV's football moves studios quite a bit: they prefer TLS Studio 3, which is also used by Lorraine and Loose Women, but occasionally move to Studio 1 when there isn't time to take the Loose Women set out and bring the Football set in... which obviously there won't have been for a Tottenham game that started at 4pm.

...but being Friday, studio 1 won't have been available either, as The Last Leg would have been in it. Hence these matches were done in studio 7. Being on the third floor, the Football set can't be moved there, which will be why they used the Rugby set.
bwfcol
24-08-2016
Who was at Burton for Sky?

Good to see Sky testing out different people on Soccer Specials, the last one I remember was Dean Windass and well, oh dear
The Lizard
24-08-2016
EFL Cup 2nd Round - Burton Albion v Liverpool:

Sky Sports 1 - Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe

I didn't see live coverage of this game. Guy Havord was the reporter at the Pirelli Stadium. I would assume that Simon Thomas was presenting?
psyer
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by The Lizard:
“EFL Cup 2nd Round - Burton Albion v Liverpool:

Sky Sports 1 - Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe

I didn't see live coverage of this game. Guy Havord was the reporter at the Pirelli Stadium. I would assume that Simon Thomas was presenting?”

It was Simon Thomas and Gary Rowett.
bwfcol
24-08-2016
Thanks both
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