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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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Steve Williams
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“I don't see the point of extending to an hour and having it clash with the first game for 30 minutes. At the start of the 2013/14 season, they moved the start time of FF to 12pm-12:45pm to avoid clashing with the 12:45pm game. In the 2014/15-2015/16 seasons it started at 12:10pm-12:50pm, yes it clashed with the 12:45pm game but only for 5 minutes.

It just feels cheeky for the BBC to avoid directly clashing with the 12:45pm game, yet this year they are directly clashing with the 12:30pm game for a whole 30 minutes just for what I think is a ratings move. Surely if it wanted to avoid the 12:30pm yet keep it for an hour they would start it after Saturday Kitchen, like they used to do sometimes when there was F1 on, and start at 11:30am until 12:30pm. From 12:30pm I'm more interested in the live game.”

I don't think it's much of a problem, they appeal to different audiences. Half of the Football Focus won't have Sky anyway so they're not going to mind. From my perspective, I'm happy enough to watch Football Focus and then join the live match in progress, unless it's Liverpool*, because I'm more interested in hearing about all the matches this weekend than just the live game. They do different things. And as we know, hardly anyone watches all the live games of a weekend.

* This is a bit self-indulgent but Liverpool are my telly team because living two hundred miles away I only get to see Wrexham a couple of times a season, so obviously I'm torn on Saturday with both teams live on telly at the same time. The first time the Conference has gone up against the Premier League, I think, but there'll be many more this season.

Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“He's appeared once or twice before I think - I'm sure too he appeared once on a international week Soccer Saturday.

He fits in very well - and it's always nice to see a new face pop up on Soccer Saturday where it often can be the same 6 or 7 people. He's certainly not doing his post-football chances any harm.
David Prutton also on - he's always struck me as a solid pundit.”

Actually when I was talking at great length up there about getting new people on football programmes I started thinking about current footballers who are interesting and have proper lives outside the game - the modern day equivalents of Pat Nevin who liked art and music and so on. Who are the intelligent and amusing footballers who could become the next generation of pundits?

Someone suggested Robert Green who is actually quite an interesting figure - I know he's doing a degree and he's said his plan when he retires is to work in football as a CEO or Director, plus he's very well read as welll. Are there any more like that? I think Curtis Davies might be quite a good pundit when he retires, he seems a very articulate and likeable figure.
bwfcol
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Actually when I was talking at great length up there about getting new people on football programmes I started thinking about current footballers who are interesting and have proper lives outside the game - the modern day equivalents of Pat Nevin who liked art and music and so on. Who are the intelligent and amusing footballers who could become the next generation of pundits?

Someone suggested Robert Green who is actually quite an interesting figure - I know he's doing a degree and he's said his plan when he retires is to work in football as a CEO or Director, plus he's very well read as welll. Are there any more like that? I think Curtis Davies might be quite a good pundit when he retires, he seems a very articulate and likeable figure.”

Who was that goalkeeper who got his angles right because he had a maths degree?.....or was it an English degree (An old school reference for fans of early MNF or indeed, Premier League Years)

Frank Lampard has an A* in Latin which is mentioned every time "Footballers are all thick" comes up. And obviously Class of '92 have many interests.

I can only really judge from print interviews to be honest but there are some surprisingly good interviews given by the likes of Daniel Sturridge, Micah Richards & others that I've read over the years. I'm not saying they'll be pundits but I you only need 2-3 retiring each year who make decent pundits so they'll always be a few coming up.

Lampard and Gerrard are obviously ear marked as the next 2. John Terry is coming up also and he's done the odd bit over the years but he might not make for the best PR.

EDIT: Robbie Savage has been doing a Twitter Q&A, I got him to confirm that he is still doing 5Live co-comms (which he didn't mention in his initial Tweets about the season ahead). I know everyone will be relieved that we've cleared that up
casinoman13
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“Who was that goalkeeper who got his angles right because he had a maths degree?.....or was it an English degree (An old school reference for fans of early MNF or indeed, Premier League Years)

Frank Lampard has an A* in Latin which is mentioned every time "Footballers are all thick" comes up. And obviously Class of '92 have many interests.

I can only really judge from print interviews to be honest but there are some surprisingly good interviews given by the likes of Daniel Sturridge, Micah Richards & others that I've read over the years. I'm not saying they'll be pundits but I you only need 2-3 retiring each year who make decent pundits so they'll always be a few coming up.

Lampard and Gerrard are obviously ear marked as the next 2. John Terry is coming up also and he's done the odd bit over the years but he might not make for the best PR.

EDIT: Robbie Savage has been doing a Twitter Q&A, I got him to confirm that he is still doing 5Live co-comms (which he didn't mention in his initial Tweets about the season ahead). I know everyone will be relieved that we've cleared that up ”

Still makes me laugh to this day when i hear it, didnt Gray really make him suffer for that remark!
BFGArmy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I don't think it's much of a problem, they appeal to different audiences. Half of the Football Focus won't have Sky anyway so they're not going to mind. From my perspective, I'm happy enough to watch Football Focus and then join the live match in progress, unless it's Liverpool*, because I'm more interested in hearing about all the matches this weekend than just the live game. They do different things. And as we know, hardly anyone watches all the live games of a weekend.

* This is a bit self-indulgent but Liverpool are my telly team because living two hundred miles away I only get to see Wrexham a couple of times a season, so obviously I'm torn on Saturday with both teams live on telly at the same time. The first time the Conference has gone up against the Premier League, I think, but there'll be many more this season.



Actually when I was talking at great length up there about getting new people on football programmes I started thinking about current footballers who are interesting and have proper lives outside the game - the modern day equivalents of Pat Nevin who liked art and music and so on. Who are the intelligent and amusing footballers who could become the next generation of pundits?

Someone suggested Robert Green who is actually quite an interesting figure - I know he's doing a degree and he's said his plan when he retires is to work in football as a CEO or Director, plus he's very well read as welll. Are there any more like that? I think Curtis Davies might be quite a good pundit when he retires, he seems a very articulate and likeable figure.”

I remember reading an article quite a few articles about Ryan Bertrand and his brother setting up a brokerage business.

Have to say some current players strike me as likely pundits when they retire - the obvious ones like Gerrard and Lampard have already been mentioned and I can certainly see Michael Dawson slotting into a role somewhere (and given he's appeared a few times already it might well be a route he takes).

Also, while he's not a Brit I think Per Mertesacker would be a good pundit if he chose that route. Intelligent bloke, articulate, seems as if he knows a lot about the game and comes across as having a fantastic sense of humour. Think he's said though that he doesn't want to do it a few times.
Though I can't blame him - pretty much every single Arsenal game will have a comment on his lack of pace without exception. After having that, you wouldn't exactly be chomping at the bit to work alongside those same people who criticise you week in week out.

I recall Michael Carrick made a brief punditry appearance a while ago (when he was injured I think) and got quite a lot of praise on here.

Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“Who was that goalkeeper who got his angles right because he had a maths degree?.....or was it an English Literature degree (An old school reference for fans of early MNF or indeed, Premier League Years)-)”

Corrected for accuracy. I've seen enough PL Years to know it.

Know exactly what you mean on the Lampard A* treatment. There's a similar treatment of any British player playing abroad.
Tony Yeboah
24-08-2016
Article on Brian Moore https://englandmemories.com/

APOEL FC v FC Kobenhavn- Adam Summerton for BT tonight
Mönchengladbach v Leverkusen- Derek Rae for the world feed on Saturday
Tony Yeboah
24-08-2016
Tonight: Orlando City v Toronto FC- Phil Blacker
Saturday: Crystal Palace v Bournemouth- Phil Blacker
digiremote
24-08-2016
Accrington Stanley v Burnley - Sky Sports 1.

Simon Thomas presenting coverage from Wham Stadium with Peter Beagrie. Guy Havord reporting.

Commentators: Gary Weaver and Don Goodman
Tony Yeboah
24-08-2016
Morecambe v Bournemouth- Paul Walker for Channel 5
flipxside
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Morecambe v Bournemouth- Paul Walker for Channel 5”

and the world feed. Jon Champion is on Accrington v Burnley.
The Difference
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Actually when I was talking at great length up there about getting new people on football programmes I started thinking about current footballers who are interesting and have proper lives outside the game - the modern day equivalents of Pat Nevin who liked art and music and so on. Who are the intelligent and amusing footballers who could become the next generation of pundits?”

This question is a really good talking point Steve, so thanks for bringing it up. He's not the biggest name in the world, but I'd be quite interested to hear more of Shaun Barker, most recently of Derby County. He's done bits of punditry for Sky Sports' Football League coverage and the BBC's Late Kick Off in the Midlands - they did a feature on him during his very lengthy lay-off due to a serious leg break, going into detail about his love of music and fashion - and not knowing much about him then, I found him to be quite an articulate and thoughtful sort, he definitely comes across as being far more relatable than the stereotype people have of footballers. He's experienced personal hardship due to the lengthy injuries that blighted his career and he's used his spell on the sidelines to start a charitable foundation. He's not currently with a club and from what I've seen, he's certainly someone who wouldn't be a bad fit for a show like Football on 5.
The Difference
24-08-2016
Wednesday 24th August - BT Sport 2

Live UEFA Champions League: Manchester City v Steaua Bucuresti

Gary Lineker presenting from the City of Manchester Stadium alongside Richard Dunne and Steve McManaman

Commentators: Darren Fletcher and Owen Hargreaves

Reporter: Des Kelly


BT Sport 3

UEFA Champions League Play-Off Round Second Leg
Borussia Monchengladbach v BSC Young Boys - Peter Drury and Don Hutchison


BT Sport Extra

UEFA Champions League Play-Off Round Second Leg
FC Rostov v AFC Ajax (X2) - Dan Mason and Danny Mills
APOEL Nicosia v FC Kobenhavn (X3) - Adam Summerton and Stewart Robson
Red Bull Salzburg v GNK Dinamo Zagreb (X4) - Steve Wyeth and Efan Ekoku
TheSubaru2012
24-08-2016
The cameraman showing Pep's interview post-match with Des keeps wobbling his camera and it's such a distraction..
The Difference
25-08-2016
Wednesday 24th August - Channel 5

Football on 5: The EFL Cup

George Riley presented alongside Kevin Davies

Accrington Stanley v Burnley - Nigel Adderley, with Guy Havord (Sky Sports) conducting interviews
Morecambe v AFC Bournemouth - Paul Walker
Burton Albion v Liverpool (Tuesday) - Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe, with Guy Havord conducting interviews (as Sky Sports)

Second Round round-ups - Nick Halling, Tony Colliver, Dave Beckett, Tom Skippings and Faye Carruthers

So a first appearance on Football on 5 I think for Nigel Adderley, and certainly a first one for Tony Colliver. The latter is a long-term match reporter on Soccer Saturday (or at least was when I last had regular access to Sky Sports News when it was on Freeview). He must be branching out a bit this season, as I heard him reporting on a match for talkSPORT this Saturday just gone. Neither Dave Beckett or Tom Skippings got an on-screen caption.
The Lizard
25-08-2016
MLS - Orlando City v Toronto:

Sky Sports 1 - Phil Blacker and Leroy Rosenior
bwfcol
25-08-2016
GNev is now on Instagram! Username - gneville2

What's Richard Dunne like as a pundit? Never struck me as life & soul of the party
casinoman13
25-08-2016
Going back a little but didnt seem to recall seeing any figures for Friday Night Football on Sky last week or so, anyone got any to hand?
Tony Yeboah
25-08-2016
Sunday 4 September on ITV

Slovakia v England - Presented by Mark Pougatch, with commentary by Clive Tyldesley and Glenn Hoddle, and analysis from Ian Wright and Lee Dixon.

Then later- Action from the latest 2018 World Cup qualifying matches, featuring Slovakia v England, Malta v Scotland and Czech Republic v Northern Ireland. Presented by Jacqui Oatley, with commentary from Clive Tyldesley, Sam Matterface, and Joe Speight, and analysis from Robbie Fowler and Ally McCoist.

Tuesday 6 September on ITV4

Sweden v Netherlands -Jacqui Oatley presents. With analysis from Glenn Hoddle, and commentary by Sam Matterface and Iain Dowie.

Then later- Jacqui Oatley introduces action from the opening round of qualifying fixtures for the 2018 World Cup, including Wales v Moldova, Slovakia v England, Malta v Scotland, Czech Republic v Northern Ireland and Serbia v Republic of Ireland. With analysis from Glenn Hoddle and Ian Rush, and commentary by Clive Tyldesley, Sam Matterface, Jon Champion, Joe Speight and Nigel Adderley.
TheSubaru2012
25-08-2016
I see that the Arsenal Legends v Milan Glorie friendly is being shown live on ITV4 next Saturday.
Tony Yeboah
25-08-2016
For that Arsenal v Milan Match- Presented by Jacqui Oatley, with analysis from Kevin Campbell and Mark Hateley, and commentary by Sam Matterface and Danny Higginbotham.

This Saturday for Borussia Dortmund v Mainz it's Dan O'Hagan for the world feed.
neilwatson
25-08-2016
UEFA Champions League Highlights ITV

Presented by Mark Pougatch with John Collins and Dietmar Hamann

Manchester City v Steaua Bucharest-Clive Tyldesley with Gabriel Clarke on interviews
Hapoel Be'er Sheva v Celtic-Sam Matterface
Legia Warsaw v Dundalk-Joe Speight

Tuesday and Wednesday round ups - Tom Skippings and Sue Thearle

Pleased to see Dundalk get a commentary edit on both their legs. They've done so well in Europe and with them being from one of the home nations it would of been a shame if they'd only had a brief voice over report. Hopefully they'll use a commentator on their Europa League games.

Busy night for Tom Skippings voicing reports on both Champions League Highlights and EFL Cup Highlights
pakokelso93
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by neilwatson:
“UEFA Champions League Highlights ITV

Presented by Mark Pougatch with John Collins and Dietmar Hamann

Manchester City v Steaua Bucharest-Clive Tyldesley with Gabriel Clarke on interviews
Hapoel Be'er Sheva v Celtic-Sam Matterface
Legia Warsaw v Dundalk-Joe Speight

Tuesday and Wednesday round ups - Tom Skippings and Sue Thearle

Pleased to see Dundalk get a commentary edit on both their legs. They've done so well in Europe and with them being from one of the home nations it would of been a shame if they'd only had a brief voice over report. Hopefully they'll use a commentator on their Europa League games.

Busy night for Tom Skippings voicing reports on both Champions League Highlights and EFL Cup Highlights”

Sam Matterface sound mix was utterly dreadful. Especially for a dubbed routine.
Chris_Wilson
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by The Difference:
“Wednesday 24th August - Channel 5

Football on 5: The EFL Cup

George Riley presented alongside Kevin Davies

Accrington Stanley v Burnley - Nigel Adderley, with Guy Havord (Sky Sports) conducting interviews
Morecambe v AFC Bournemouth - Paul Walker
Burton Albion v Liverpool (Tuesday) - Daniel Mann and Andy Hinchcliffe, with Guy Havord conducting interviews (as Sky Sports)

Second Round round-ups - Nick Halling, Tony Colliver, Dave Beckett, Tom Skippings and Faye Carruthers

So a first appearance on Football on 5 I think for Nigel Adderley, and certainly a first one for Tony Colliver. The latter is a long-term match reporter on Soccer Saturday (or at least was when I last had regular access to Sky Sports News when it was on Freeview). He must be branching out a bit this season, as I heard him reporting on a match for talkSPORT this Saturday just gone. Neither Dave Beckett or Tom Skippings got an on-screen caption.”

and in Skippings's case he did double voiceover duty on this night as well because as we discovered in a future post he did the champions league goal highlights with Sue Thearle
TheSubaru2012
25-08-2016
Hipgrave presenting the CL Draw on BTS2 with Michael Owen, Steve McManaman and Owen Hargreaves. Matt Smith is reporting from the draw at Monaco.
casinoman13
25-08-2016
looks like another rare outing for Ian Darke on BT tonight covering West Ham in the second leg.
TheSubaru2012
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“looks like another rare outing for Ian Darke on BT tonight covering West Ham in the second leg.”

Seems like Dean Ashton will be on co-commentary, Jake Humphery is at the London Stadium.
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