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Football Commentators Thread (Part 19)
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clever3000
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Has Clive wet himself!!”

I hate to bring it up again but really Clive should be more balanced on England matches!
Tony Yeboah
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I am lost here. Simon Brotherton and ? are commentating on FS2 in the United States and I assume that is the World Feed.
Bill Leslie is the sole commentator on Malta v Scotland for Fox Soccer Plus.”

Kevin Keatings and Andy Walker are commentating on Norway v Germany on Sky Sports 3. Ian Crocker and Davie Provan commentating on Malta v Scotland on Sky Sports 1 and 5.
IanFergus
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Kevin Keatings and Andy Walker are commentating on Norway v Germany on Sky Sports 3.”

Ah thanks.
PTN
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Lizard:
“World Cup 2018 Qualifier - Slovakia v England (ITV):

Mark Pougatch presenting from the City Arena (Stadion Antona Malatinskeho) in Trvana with Ian Wright and Lee Dixon. Gabriel Clarke reporting.

Commentators - Clive Tyldesley and Glenn Hoddle


A very lively Martin Tyler and Alan Smith were also there, doing the Sky Sports commentary.”


DId I imagine it, or were the Sky highlights of the game (World Feed pictures?) shot from the opposite side of the ground to that shown on ITV? I finished watching the game, flicked over to the Scotland game on Sky and England were shooting the opposite way!
IanFergus
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by PTN:
“DId I imagine it, or were the Sky highlights of the game (World Feed pictures?) shot from the opposite side of the ground to that shown on ITV? I finished watching the game, flicked over to the Scotland game on Sky and England were shooting the opposite way!”

It is not unknown for cameras to be opposite each other. It is (I suspect) because the advertisements on display are targeted to the appropriate cameras (if that makes sense).

I think the commentator with Simon Brotherton covering Norway v Germany for the World Feed is Don Hutchinson.
Edit -> the co-commentator is Don Goodman. Busy man today.
The Scout
04-09-2016
Why do Sky Sports think it's OK to interview managers of smaller clubs in the dugout during the match? I find it disrespectful, as if these games are of no consequence. David Craig interviewed one of the manager's during a League 1 game earlier. It reminded me that they did the same to "little old" Burton Albion in the Championship a couple of weeks ago. If I was the manager I'd tell them to sod off, there's a game going on here.

Originally Posted by mromega:
“BT is it's own standalone channel.

Sky have implemented differently and the UHD feed is accessible via the Red Button or EPG menu. The channel dog states Sky Sports 1 Live in Ultra HD, it isn't branded Sky Sports UHD.”

Thanks very much.
Neil_Harris
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by clever3000:
“I hate to bring it up again but really Clive should be more balanced on England matches!”

Our commentators are incredibly impartial compared to many other countries.
IanFergus
04-09-2016
I think that it is perfectly reasonable for commentators to be partial when it is a British side versus a non-British side on British tv.
Mark.
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I think that it is perfectly reasonable for commentators to be partial when it is a British side versus a non-British side on British tv.”

Do you really think Tyldesley will be neutral in the Scotland v England games?
IanFergus
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Do you really think Tyldesley will be neutral in the Scotland v England games?”

I did write British versus non-British sides. I would imagine that STV would supply its own commentator for the ITV match so CT would be perfectly entitled to be partial.
Mark.
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I did write British versus non-British sides. I would imagine that STV would supply its own commentator for the ITV match so CT would be perfectly entitled to be partial.”

But then technically STV shouldn't have to. Shouldn't the network output cater to the whole country?
IanFergus
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“But then technically STV shouldn't have to. Shouldn't the network output cater to the whole country?”

Technically that may be true but I think it is normal for England v Scotland matches for BBC Scotland or STV to supply its own commentary team. Similarly for club games between the two countries in the dim and distant days when they appeared on terrestrial tv.
clever3000
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Our commentators are incredibly impartial compared to many other countries.”

Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I think that it is perfectly reasonable for commentators to be partial when it is a British side versus a non-British side on British tv.”

Commentators should be aware that there is a possibility that there could be some opposition fans listening as well as impartial football fans as well. Impartiality should be expected from commentators

I would have to say football is by far the worst for impartiality on sports. Some commentators are bad in other sports, Andrew Castle in particular springs to mind, but the majority are not.
IanFergus
04-09-2016
I don't think it is reasonable to remain impartial because of the possibility of some opposition fans watching or listening. We are a multi-cultural society (and the better for that) but it would be stretching things to observe neutrality on England v anybody matches. If CT and company had been strictly neutral during England v Iceland in Euro 2016, I think I would not have been pleased if I ware an England supporter.
clever3000
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“I don't think it is reasonable to remain impartial because of the possibility of some opposition fans watching or listening. We are a multi-cultural society (and the better for that) but it would be stretching things to observe neutrality on England v anybody matches. If CT and company had been strictly neutral during England v Iceland in Euro 2016, I think I would not have been pleased if I ware an England supporter.”

The job of a commentator is the same whether you are on Club matches or Internationals, being impartial should be expected of a commentator. It is a part of their job to put aside any of their personal feelings and focus on the match itself. If a commentator is impartial they dont get overly excited at either team, and you couldnt accuse them of bias either. Bias does annoy a lot of fans who get very annoyed by it. Martin Tyler often gets criticism with Manchester United matches (although falsely in my opinion) but it is the bias that is the issue with fans and it is very prevalent on international fixtures.
Readingfan
04-09-2016
I know it's discussed after every England game, and often I don't have a problem with it, but I did think Tyldesley was particularly poor today. He seemed to be desperately pleading, even snide at times, like that annoying man who sits behind you at matches and just constantly appeals for everything - 'surely that was a push? Surely?! No maybe not' and 'any chance of a yellow card here referee'.

After the next World Cup he'll have been number 1 for 20 years and in his mid 60s. I really think that might be the time to promote someone like Jon Champion.

And I know it's been said a lot but Glenn Hoddle is perfectly good in the studio but really not suited to co-commentary.

I did like the bit when Dixon and Wright laughed when they realised how wrong their analysis of the offside decision was,
Neil_Harris
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Do you really think Tyldesley will be neutral in the Scotland v England games?”

Wonder if they'll try the 2 co comms ? Hoddle and someone like Burley?
Neil_Harris
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by clever3000:
“Commentators should be aware that there is a possibility that there could be some opposition fans listening as well as impartial football fans as well. Impartiality should be expected from commentators

I would have to say football is by far the worst for impartiality on sports. Some commentators are bad in other sports, Andrew Castle in particular springs to mind, but the majority are not.”

You should listen to channel 9's cricket comnentary
Steve Williams
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by bwfcol:
“Notts County/Grimsby as the featured game, how did they decide that?!”

I dunno, it was a bit odd, but I'm delighted they did because any extensive coverage of Notts County on television means an update for the brilliant Notts on the Box website!
http://carousel.royalwebhosting.net/utm/maggies03.html

Except he hasn't done it yet. Get a move on!

Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Why do Sky Sports think it's OK to interview managers of smaller clubs in the dugout during the match? I find it disrespectful, as if these games are of no consequence. David Craig interviewed one of the manager's during a League 1 game earlier. It reminded me that they did the same to "little old" Burton Albion in the Championship a couple of weeks ago. If I was the manager I'd tell them to sod off, there's a game going on here.”

Well, this is not unique to Sky, because of course BT do it during the Conference, and I for one am all for it. The fact is that for the vast majority of the audience these matches require the context otherwise they're two teams you don't know and the only audience you get is those who are happy to watch any balls being kicked regardless of who's kicking them. So you have to make it easier for the audience to understand who's involved and what's at stake. And it's a good advert for the competition and the teams.

It goes back to one of the things I dislike about Football on 5, you just see the goals which is alright if it's your team, but if it isn't, who cares? You're playing to hardcore fans and nobody else. Whereas if you had a feature or two like you used to have on the Beeb and ITV, you do at least get to know why it matters. If you're on television the whole point is to promote the league and the sport to a wider audience. Broadcasters are not charities, they buy the rights to get an audience.

There are plenty of lulls in these games anyway. My dad doesn't watch much football on TV as he doesn't have Sky or BT but when he came round to my house last season he watched a Wrexham match on BT and as a Wrexham fan found the coverage very interesting, because of all the access all areas business.

Originally Posted by Mark.:
“But then technically STV shouldn't have to. Shouldn't the network output cater to the whole country?”

Maybe they shouldn't have to, but there's no doubt they will, because it gives them another three hours of Scottish programming for them to put in the annual report and their staff something to do. As a Wales fan, I saw nothing wrong with Clive's commentary on England vs Wales a few seasons back.

Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“This is must be a long time since George Gavin was doing EFL games.”

Indeed, I wonder when the last time he did one was. The last live game I remember him doing was in the Football League Trophy. What else does he do on Sky these days, apart from the League Cup draw?

Originally Posted by Tony Yeboah:
“Torquay v Lincoln- Matt Smith and Natalie Quirk there for BT. Steve Bower and Adam Virgo commentate.”

Interesting to see that Bower is still doing the Conference matches whenever he's available, I assumed given most of them are going to be on Saturdays he would have given them up, like Mark Clemmit has, and let Summerton take over full time. Fair play to him, I suppose.

I don't know who the pundits were, I've been at my parents' all weekend. If nobody else posts them before I get back and check my recording, I'll post them then.

I notice ITV were promoting highlights of Scotland and "some action" from Northern Ireland on their highlights show tonight.
BFGArmy
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Why do Sky Sports think it's OK to interview managers of smaller clubs in the dugout during the match? I find it disrespectful, as if these games are of no consequence. David Craig interviewed one of the manager's during a League 1 game earlier. It reminded me that they did the same to "little old" Burton Albion in the Championship a couple of weeks ago. If I was the manager I'd tell them to sod off, there's a game going on here.


Thanks very much.”

I was watching Wasps/Exeter on BT earlier and noticed they pretty much stopped the commentary at one point for the commentator (Nick Mullins) to talk to one of the coaches (who appeared on the 'BT Box') - so it doesn't seem to be a Sky-only thing.
I assume we'd be hearing on here if similar happened with Fletch and co..

On a similar note, I didn't realise until recently how similar Austin Healey sounds to Michael Owen (albeit I far prefer Austin).
The Scout
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Well, this is not unique to Sky, because of course BT do it during the Conference, and I for one am all for it. The fact is that for the vast majority of the audience these matches require the context otherwise they're two teams you don't know and the only audience you get is those who are happy to watch any balls being kicked regardless of who's kicking them. So you have to make it easier for the audience to understand who's involved and what's at stake. And it's a good advert for the competition and the teams.

It goes back to one of the things I dislike about Football on 5, you just see the goals which is alright if it's your team, but if it isn't, who cares? You're playing to hardcore fans and nobody else. Whereas if you had a feature or two like you used to have on the Beeb and ITV, you do at least get to know why it matters. If you're on television the whole point is to promote the league and the sport to a wider audience. Broadcasters are not charities, they buy the rights to get an audience.

There are plenty of lulls in these games anyway. My dad doesn't watch much football on TV as he doesn't have Sky or BT but when he came round to my house last season he watched a Wrexham match on BT and as a Wrexham fan found the coverage very interesting, because of all the access all areas business.”

Yes, I was wrong to quote Sky Sports as I know it is something that not only other broadcasters do but is something that has been done for years, particularly at non-league level. I'm still not a fan of it though. I don't really know what we gain from it. Interview them before and after the game by all means, just not during it. In terms of painting a picture for the audience this should be done before the game surely?

I love that website you posted a link to, I just wish it was a bit easier on the eye!
BFGArmy
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Readingfan:
“I know it's discussed after every England game, and often I don't have a problem with it, but I did think Tyldesley was particularly poor today. He seemed to be desperately pleading, even snide at times, like that annoying man who sits behind you at matches and just constantly appeals for everything - 'surely that was a push? Surely?! No maybe not' and 'any chance of a yellow card here referee'.

After the next World Cup he'll have been number 1 for 20 years and in his mid 60s. I really think that might be the time to promote someone like Jon Champion.

And I know it's been said a lot but Glenn Hoddle is perfectly good in the studio but really not suited to co-commentary.

I did like the bit when Dixon and Wright laughed when they realised how wrong their analysis of the offside decision was,”

I can see ITV plumping for Matterface in all honesty when Clive does decide to stop.

Didn't see too much of the England game (sounds like I had a lucky escape apparently) so can't say too much about today's commentary but I have to say at times Clive does get dangerously close to cheerleading for sides - Liverpool/Basel a few years leaps out.

Of course we're not all expecting him to be totally down-the-line neutral (and often brilliant goal calls do come from commentators being slightly partisan) but at the same time if there are neutral viewers commentaries shouldn't be partisan enough to annoy them.

I think most of use do allow some leeway too - let's not forget Joe Speight & Iain Dowie on N Ireland/Ukraine probably got the most praise of any Euro 2016 commentary.
COTTONHEAT
04-09-2016
Much prefered Tyler's Goal call on the Lallana Winner
COTTONHEAT
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“You should listen to channel 9's cricket comnentary”

Especially when they play against England
Andrew_McGovern
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by PTN:
“DId I imagine it, or were the Sky highlights of the game (World Feed pictures?) shot from the opposite side of the ground to that shown on ITV? I finished watching the game, flicked over to the Scotland game on Sky and England were shooting the opposite way!”

Thought I had too many 🍻'S down the pub. Get home & watched the highlights on Sky !! Done my head in lol !! Thank god I wasn't the only one that noticed it😉
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