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Old 18-09-2016, 03:07
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It's rare that Don Goodman and Andy Hinchcliffe would both not feature on a day with the only 2 FL games of that weekend.

As for workloads, do people realise that 5 days of work in a row is fairly normal and it's not like anyone we discuss deals with life/death situations

Plus, on non-european and PL mid weeks, the majority of the BT guys won't work
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Old 18-09-2016, 08:43
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Saturday 17th September - Channel 5

Football on 5

George Riley and Lynsey Hipgrave presented alongside Lee Hendrie and Adam Virgo

Cardiff City v Leeds United - Gary Weaver and Garry Birtles, with Guy Havord conducting interviews (as Sky Sports)
Ipswich Town v Aston Villa - Paul Walker
Birmingham City v Sheffield Wednesday - Daniel Mann and Danny Higginbotham, with Jonathan Oakes conducting interviews (as Sky Sports)

Championship round-ups - Dave Beckett, Dan Mason and Matt Williams
League One round-ups - Jonathan Legard, Will Cope, Matt Williams, Dan Mason and Faye Carruthers
League Two round-ups - Matt Williams, Jonathan Legard, Will Cope, Dan Mason, Faye Carruthers and Dave Beckett

Adam Virgo talked over the goals from Blackburn Rovers v Rotherham United. Good to see Lee Hendrie in the studio, he was a player I enjoyed watching growing up in the Midlands and is someone who hasn't done much media work (unlike many of his Villa team-mates from the time). As they mentioned on the show, he's still actively playing Saturday football - albeit at a very low level now - so perhaps when he finally hangs up his boots we'll see and hear him in the media a bit more often. I thought he did well on his Football on 5 debut; it's well documented that he's had some tough times in his personal life so hopefully he can make a go of the punditry business if he wants to go down that avenue.
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Old 18-09-2016, 09:16
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Osasuna v Celta Vigo- Tony Jones and Gerry Armstrong
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Old 18-09-2016, 09:38
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Not a huge fan of Castle here -think we all discussed him on here a few weeks ago actually.
Inverdale I'm also not a fan of - his presenting style really isn't for me - but I do feel at times there's a bit of a feeding frenzy in terms of the reaction to his presenting where any small mistake is torn apart. That may be true of Jake on here to be fair but Inverdale is a better presenter than Jake.

Have to agree. The punditry tonight was very good - bar an odd statement or two from Ince. This has been said a lot about the other Owen by others but Hargreaves really is so much better in the studio. BT should use where he's best.
It seems to be surmised every now and again that co commentators are so much better in the studio. I think on this forum I have seen it before for Andy Townsend, Michael Owen, Phil Neville, Glenn Hoddle and now Owen Hargreaves. The issue is that being a co-commentator is a much harder job than being a pundit. As a pundit you have time to collect your points throughout a half. Where as on co-commentary it needs to be instant. Having all the co-commentators in pundit roles where they are seemingly better just isn't sustainable. It really is a tricky job. Then again there are some pundits who could be better off as co-commentators. Lee Dixon for instance is a good co-commentator but isn't used in that capacity by ITV.

On the Inverdale subject i don't mind him as a presenter at all. I do enjoy his Rugby presentation and he is also quite good as a presenter on the ITV coverage of the French Open. However he as a commentator just doesn't work. He asks the other commentator too many long winded questions and then starts talking over the points which you shouldnt do in tennis.
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:05
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Jake with Scholes, Savage and McManaman on PL Today. Des Kelly Reporting.

The studio looks very different today with a new desk and wall.
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:21
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Jake with Scholes, Savage and McManaman on PL Today. Des Kelly Reporting.

The studio looks very different today with a new desk and wall.
Jake at his worst just now.. Going on for about 2 minutes on how you expect a team managed by Bilic to be better defensively because he was a defender. There was no question for the panel at the end of it, he just thought we'd like to know his opinion on the matter...

Terrible.
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:28
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Looks like we will have our worst commentary team of the season.. Fletch N Sav and prehaps Francis although I hope it's Hoddle again...

EDIT: Phew, it's Hoddle.
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:28
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Premier League - Watford v Man United (BT Sport)

Jake Humphrey presents from Vicorage Rd alongside Paul Scholes and Steve McManaman.

Commentators Darren Fletcher, Robbie Savage and Glenn Hoddle

Reporter Des Kelly
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Old 18-09-2016, 11:57
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Premier League - Watford v Man United (BT Sport)

Jake Humphrey presents from Vicorage Rd alongside Paul Scholes and Steve McManaman.

Commentators Darren Fletcher, Robbie Savage and Glenn Hoddle

Reporter Des Kelly
The studio team looks good. That commentary team though *yikes*.

I'd have thought Hargreaves was nailed to commentate on this one but no complaints that he was used in the studio. The shame is who they're using instead of him.

I'll get the paracetamol ready for this commentary.
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Old 18-09-2016, 12:06
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It's amazing that at the end of last season we were talking about Savage leaving BT, he's still a regular and still co-commentating on matches.
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Old 18-09-2016, 12:18
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It's amazing that at the end of last season we were talking about Savage leaving BT, he's still a regular and still co-commentating on matches.
It's also quite amazing that when he was commentating with Darke on Weds night he was letting Darke get on with it without to many silly interruptions and cutting across and butting in yet today he is back to his annoying self thinking he has to disagree with things being said and ALWAYS wants a final word.
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Old 18-09-2016, 12:39
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It seems to be surmised every now and again that co commentators are so much better in the studio. I think on this forum I have seen it before for Andy Townsend, Michael Owen, Phil Neville, Glenn Hoddle and now Owen Hargreaves. The issue is that being a co-commentator is a much harder job than being a pundit. As a pundit you have time to collect your points throughout a half. Where as on co-commentary it needs to be instant. Having all the co-commentators in pundit roles where they are seemingly better just isn't sustainable. It really is a tricky job. Then again there are some pundits who could be better off as co-commentators. Lee Dixon for instance is a good co-commentator but isn't used in that capacity by ITV.

On the Inverdale subject i don't mind him as a presenter at all. I do enjoy his Rugby presentation and he is also quite good as a presenter on the ITV coverage of the French Open. However he as a commentator just doesn't work. He asks the other commentator too many long winded questions and then starts talking over the points which you shouldnt do in tennis.
You're right on co-commentator being a difficult position - think Gary Lineker has said very much that. The potential to muck up as a co-commentator is very high - even many of those praised on here these days have had criticism on here in the past (Neville with his goalgasms/ the Hawthorne and Smith pairng used to be criticised on here). .

The thing I'd say though is that there are good co-commentators available - and BT often use them on their 'Red Button' CL coverage - so surely it would make sense for broadcasters to mainly use them and allow those who work best as pundits to actually be pundits. Some pundits just aren't naturally good co-commentators so shouldn't be forced into that role.

Kevin Kilbane, Jim Beglin, Don Hutchinson etc. all seem pretty decent in the commentary box and certainly would be an improvement on what BBC, BT and ITV normally offer (I know Kilbane does some work for the BBC but you get my general point).

On Inverdale - sometimes in 3 man commentary teams, thrown straight onto commentating on big games and finals ahead of better commentators (Petchey, Reed,Bradnam) , talking a bit much. No idea who that reminds me of..

Jake at his worst just now.. Going on for about 2 minutes on how you expect a team managed by Bilic to be better defensively because he was a defender. There was no question for the panel at the end of it, he just thought we'd like to know his opinion on the matter...

Terrible.
Frankly some of the members of the public on PLT last night were asking better questions than Jake normally does.
I'm not even really joking.

It's also quite amazing that when he was commentating with Darke on Weds night he was letting Darke get on with it without to many silly interruptions and cutting across and butting in yet today he is back to his annoying self thinking he has to disagree with things being said and ALWAYS wants a final word.
I've suggested it before but I do think Savage just doesn't take some competitions as seriously as others.
On the Euros he wasn't cutting across/butting in etc. yet on things like the PL, Europa League and FA Cup his commentaries can be dreadful and he seems to always want to be heard.
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Old 18-09-2016, 13:02
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Can someone please remind me how many Premier League double-headers we should expect this season? And will they typically be Saturday 12.30 and 5.30 unless one of them is moved to Sunday because of Europa League participation?
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Old 18-09-2016, 13:40
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Italian Serie A - Udinese v Chievo:

BT Sport 2 - Wayne Boyce



Scottish Premiership - Dundee v Aberdeen (Sky Sports 2):

David Tanner presenting from Dens Park with Russell Anderson and Neil McCann. Luke Shanley reporting.

Commentators - Ian Crocker and Andy Walker



Chinese Super League - Beijing Guoan v Shijiazhuang Ever Bright:

Sky Sports 3 - Dan O'Hagan (I think)



Dutch Eredivisie - PSV Eindhoven v Feyenoord:

Sky Sports 3 Red Button - Nigel Adderley and Stewart Robson
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Old 18-09-2016, 13:58
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Italian Serie A - Torino v Empoli:

BT Sport ESPN - Seb Hutchinson
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:01
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The studio team looks good. That commentary team though *yikes*.

I'd have thought Hargreaves was nailed to commentate on this one but no complaints that he was used in the studio. The shame is who they're using instead of him.

I'll get the paracetamol ready for this commentary.
I think Savage is a banker for commentary on almost any BT Sunday match (maybe NLD derby aside) because he is one of BT's main 'boys.' Doing a commentary on Sunday means he can still be used as one of the main figureheads on Sport Score. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's penciled in for Man Utd-Stoke in that early Sunday slot in a few weeks time.

His performance today? Pretty annoying. Pretty typical of Savage, as the thread have said, given that he feels his opinion is more than valid because of his vast experience in the PL, as opposed to the CL where he is much quieter.
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:10
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Premier League (Nissan Super Sunday) - Crystal Palace v Stoke (Sky Sports 1):

David Jones presenting from White Hart Lane, venue for the match later on between Tottenham and Sunderland, with Niall Quinn and Thierry Henry. Greg Whelan reporting from Selhurst Park.

Commentators - Bill Leslie and Andy Hinchcliffe
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:12
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Is this the second time Parry misses the weekend when there's 3 PL games for Sky then? Leslie has certainly had a bit of a promotion - Hinchcliffe too.
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:30
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German Bundesliga - Augsburg v Mainz:

BT Sport 2 - Alistair Mann
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:40
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Is this the second time Parry misses the weekend when there's 3 PL games for Sky then? Leslie has certainly had a bit of a promotion - Hinchcliffe too.
Yes, we'll await confirmation of the pairing for Tottenham v Sunderland later, and if it isn't Alan Parry on comms, then that will be indeed his second weekend missing out so far this season.

Bill Leslie has another Premier League match, and well deserved, I like him. Also, I like Andy Hinchcliffe's co-commentaries, and he's on another PL match, so both are doing quite well so far this season, and long it may continue!
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:48
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I think Savage is a banker for commentary on almost any BT Sunday match (maybe NLD derby aside) because he is one of BT's main 'boys.' Doing a commentary on Sunday means he can still be used as one of the main figureheads on Sport Score. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's penciled in for Man Utd-Stoke in that early Sunday slot in a few weeks time.

His performance today? Pretty annoying. Pretty typical of Savage, as the thread have said, given that he feels his opinion is more than valid because of his vast experience in the PL, as opposed to the CL where he is much quieter.
It was annoying to say the least, he just want's to be heard no matter what but just isn't suited in this 3 man commentary line up at all.

Fletcher also seem's to bate him into being controversial and im sorry to have to say it but Fletcher was at his worst today where he just tried to speed through his commentary.
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:52
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Yes, we'll await confirmation of the pairing for Tottenham v Sunderland later, and if it isn't Alan Parry on comms, then that will be indeed his second weekend missing out so far this season.

Bill Leslie has another Premier League match, and well deserved, I like him. Also, I like Andy Hinchcliffe's co-commentaries, and he's on another PL match, so both are doing quite well so far this season, and long it may continue!
Must say i will be very surprised if Hawthorne isn't behind the mic at 4.00.

As for Leslie i am also very pleased for him and not before time that he is know getting his chance on the prem league.
Good as well that Sky have kept him with Hinchcliffe, they do seem to have a good chemistry together clearly from their Football League days.
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:59
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Must say i will be very surprised if Hawthorne isn't behind the mic at 4.00.

As for Leslie i am also very pleased for him and not before time that he is know getting his chance on the prem league.
Good as well that Sky have kept him with Hinchcliffe, they do seem to have a good chemistry together clearly from their Football League days.
Agreed mate, BL and AH are a very good partnership on comms. Hoping that both continue to get PL matches for the rest of this season and beyond.
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:01
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Scottish Premiership - Inverness Caledonian Thistle v Celtic (BT Sport 1):

Darrell Currie presenting from the Tulloch Caledonian Stadium with Scott McDonald, Stephen Craigan and Chris Sutton. Eilidh Barbour reporting.

Commentators - Derek Rae and Chris Sutton
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:15
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Spanish La Liga - Athletic Bilbao v Valencia (Sky Sports 3):

David Garrido presenting with Gaizka Mendieta and Guillem Balague.

Commentators - Jon Driscoll and Garry Birtles
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