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That bet was vile and horrible
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JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“Dare I use the words bullying and sexual harassment to describe what's happening? It surely looks like that to me.”

Depends if it continues in that way.
sorcha_healy27
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Absolutely this. Marnie did something pretty dumb but she was provoked into doing it.”



I missed the part where she was forced into doing what she did.
Rogana Josh
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Absolutely disgusting behaviour towards Saira. Disgusted that these people represent my generation on national television.”

Invasion of space is usually an eviction offence and always has been in the past.
jp761
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“

I missed the part where she was forced into doing what she did.”

Both you and Elle are wrong she was semi provoked Lewis got his willy out again!
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by mrsdaisychain:
“Bear did tell Saira he would do everything he could to annoy her now when they had their discussion when it was just the two of them.
He won't worry that he can get someone else to do it for him. His is a talentless, nasty idiot and it makes me wonder why he didn't answer the question about has he ever punched anyone.”

Because he has and risked looking bad no matter what answer he gave. Which is why he was pissed off with the question and saw it as trying to make him look bad.

If he said yes, her reaction would make him ok bad. If he says no, then he risks a story in the media making him a liar into the bargain.

I'm as passive as they come, but I couldn't say I've never punched anyone when at school.
Rogana Josh
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“

I missed the part where she was forced into doing what she did.”

She did not get forced, she took the greatest of delight in getting used by those other insufferable fools and she is the fool as she was used.
Vicky8675309
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by JackieDVD:
“Because he has and risked looking bad no matter what answer he gave. Which is why he was pissed off with the question and saw it as trying to make him look bad.

If he said yes, her reaction would make him ok bad. If he says no, then he risks a story in the media making him a liar into the bargain.

I'm as passive as they come, but I couldn't say I've never punched anyone when at school.”

I'm sure that when I was a child, I probably punched my older brothers as they held me down and threatened to drool (drip spit) on me.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Marnie obviously done it as payback/revenge for what Saira said to her just before she left the bedroom. I think Bear and Heavy D were loving it because of the fact that they were in a heated discussion with Saira. Not impressed with Marnie at all.”

I agree. Anyone who does anything to another person against their will for a dare, agrees to do it because they want to and now have an excuse.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
If I was saira in that situation, I'd have admitted to being jealous of her tits and asked her where she bought them.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Birdcage:
“Christ, it was just a pair of mammaries.

We have Jordan and Chloe and Sam baring their big fat breasts on national tv and in the papers, we have BARE BREASTS galore and have done for YEARS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, what is the big deal??

We have BB deliberatly exposing men's penises - DELIBERATELY.

Just as they have done with women's BREASTS - DELIBERATELY.

Grow up!!!”

It wasn't an exposed boob that was the issue. It was the intent behind it. It looked like it was done to ridicule and take the piss out of someone else against their will, which is why James said something.
yellowlabbie
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Absolutely this. Marnie did something pretty dumb but she was provoked into doing it.”

She wasn't provoked, she was dared. She should have refused and would have been seen as a hero.
acid rain
01-08-2016
She was dared to do it.

You should have a problem with the people who dared her. She's easily lead.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“If Marnie can't handle her drink perhaps, she shouldn't drink.

She isn't on Geordie Shore, she is on CBB, so no excuse.”

You don't think there'd have been any discussions during negotiations about what big brother producers wanted from certain housemates in the house?

Reality tv professionals do what they're told, or are expected to do. Which is why I'd rather they weren't on big brother.
Eve Elle
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“

I missed the part where she was forced into doing what she did.”

Not forced, but defintely provoked by Saira's constant passive aggressive attacks as explained by soilhoof in their post. Not excusing Marnie, just saying her behaviour was reactionary. Surely you don't believe Saira is some sort of innocent in all this? C'mon Sorcha, you're too clever for that.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mastes1:
“It was a dumb dare made by a bunch of childish drunk kids, nothing more.”

That may usually be the case a lot of the time, but there's a reason in this case why saira was chosen as the subject of the dare.
seether
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by acid rain:
“She was dared to do it.

You should have a problem with the people who dared her. She's easily lead.”

Why does 'it was a dare' equals 'oh well that's different ' in anyone's mind, that's the thing.
acid rain
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by seether:
“Why does 'it was a dare' equals 'oh well that's different ' in anyone's mind, that's the thing.”


I just mean she didn't come up with the idea herself.
sorcha_healy27
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Not forced, but defintely provoked by Saira's constant passive aggressive attacks as explained by soilhoof in their post. Not excusing Marnie, just saying her behaviour was reactionary. Surely you don't believe Saira is some sort of innocent in all this? C'mon Sorcha, you're too clever for that. ”



Whether I think Saira is innocent or not is irrelevant Eve. She isn't but that's not the issue.

Marnie was out of line. In any case her behaviour has now only served to benefit Saira. Marnie is an unintelligent idiotic moron. She hasn't a clue.
ForGodsSake
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Birdcage:
“You need to get a life love.

I don't condone what she did, but please............get some perspective.

Still, I guess as you are with the majority you will feel all glowing and proud at pointing the finger at such as I. ”

Why are you being deliberately provocative towards some people that have a different opinion to yourself ?
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by soilhoof:
“The build up is key. Marnie's humiliation of Saira was unpleasant BUT did Saira not goad and goad and dismiss and manipulate Marnie to that kind of point?

Saira demonstrates the control freak nature of a true bully - not the playground one-off stuff Marnie did. I'm talking the kind of long-duration, drip, drip on people and situations she doesn't like until they crack.

From the start of that episode Saira is staring at Marnie and comes out with "what did you do this morning?.. I did my workout and tidied" so begins her way into criticise Marnie. Even at the dinner table - where Saira basically creates the "truth or dare" clique Marnie doesn't have a dog in the fight until Saira brings her in "I think I upset you this morning" Sair is goading, letting Marnie go, bringing her back like a cat with a mouse. Bear is openly opposing Saira, Heavy D is critical and calls Saira's subliminal verbal bullying for what it is. But oh no, Saira clearly dislikes Marnie and is working on her to crack.
When Saira is in the bed and Marnie plays diplomat, Saira is dismissive and Marnie is right to call Saira out for her bringing up her being different on drink. Drip, drip, drip into Marnie's head.
Even at the last point Saira is passive aggressive to Marnie's initial fake apology "Why are you saying sorry again?" A cold comment. It is at this point when Marnie IS drunk and follows through with the bet and is dismissed one last time that she disgusts all around plus viewers with a "**** you!" to Saira that goes wrong.

Marnie did wrong but Saira absolutely created it and she knows it. In one day she made Marnie feel the exact same way she felt about Marnie.

Point is, I work in a call centre - I'd take Marnie as a supervisor any day of the week over Saira. Marnie might put me in hospital with liver failure from too many nights out but Saira would put me in a mental health ward or the grave.”

There is no justification. Every person who's ever done anything wrong can justify their actions. Jason showed there's a different way to handle such things.
ForGodsSake
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by acid rain:
“She was dared to do it.

You should have a problem with the people who dared her. She's easily lead.”

So, she is incapable of saying no, now ?
Her moral compass should have made her decide it wasn't appropriate.
Eve Elle
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
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Whether I think Saira is innocent or not is irrelevant Eve. She isn't but that's not the issue.

Marnie was out of line. In any case her behaviour has now only served to benefit Saira. Marnie is an unintelligent idiotic moron. She hasn't a clue.”

Mitigating circumstances, that's all I got to say.

Lol, my name's actually Elle, usernames... you know how it is.
seether
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by acid rain:
“I just mean she didn't come up with the idea herself.”

I know I was just quoting you because you brought up who was more responsible (those giving the dare or the suggestible person carrying it out) - and taking it as a starting point for questioning the attitude that something being a dare somehow offsets some of the responsibility.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I have high hopes for James.”

He'll certainly make himself a target. Hopefully, he'll be given the good edit in that particular storyline.

Did that incident with bear where he poured something over him happen after this incident? Would make sense if it did, and would suggest he's already become a target because of his reaction to the Marnie incident.
JackieDVD
01-08-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“She wasn't provoked, she was dared. She should have refused and would have been seen as a hero.”

I think they meant she was provoked by saira's actions throughout the day. Which is fair enough to a degree. But Jason showed you have a choice in how to react to provocation.
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