Not to worry, they are having a little holiday at the moment.

Indeed a huge part of the BB/CBB experience is about how HM's react to situations most of which are challenging, upsetting, emotional etc; Marnie simply showed how you don't do it. Provocation isn't much of an excuse in my experience, she isn't a child, and this isn't GS.

I think she is stronger than that, she has made and treading her own path in life, the one she has chosen tread.

Exactly this. She could have confronted Saira about her behaviour rather than engaging in utter ridiculous and nonsensical behaviour

The fact she looked for validation from the men shows how moronic she is and how she's simply one of those women who needs approval from men for her self worth.

She didn't flash them she shoved them in another woman's face. If any man had done that with his genitals he'd have been removed by now, I'm sure.

Exactly, liberation of women, somehow got mixed up with.....burning the bra....

The thing that annoyed me is that it swung favour towards Saira. Instead of being made to wallow in the hole she dug for herself, she's now regained the moral high ground to which she feels she is entitled to (and boy, didn't she know it? You could see the look on her face that the penny had dropped)

Yes Bear is a dick, but Marnie knows that so its hardly his fault, at the end of the day Marnie has just exhausted the sum of her talents. its all downhill from here.

I see your point, for sure. You think that the reaction is a bit over the top and it was orchestrated a bit? A big storm inside a B up! I don't think she deserves to be hated for doing that, she did not punch anyone in the face, no. I am not a Saira fan, but neither do I like Bear very much either. But yes, I do believe if somebody has been offended by something a person has said, then they have a right to address it.

So if a male housemate went over to another male housemate, waved his dick in his face and said "Are you jealous cos mine's bigger than yours" you'd think it was OK if he was doing it as a way of 'addressing' something he'd been offended by previously ?

I am not defending him, I agree with you. My earlier posts will show that I am against it. I was just referring to Bird Cage and her view, she asked if I understood and I told her I understood what she was trying to say, because I do. I still think it was wrong. I was referring to the her post where she mentioned that Saira had said some offensive things to Bear. So yes, if he wants to talk about it, he should be able to. I did not mean the boob thing. Talking to address an issue - yes. A crass dare? No.

Sorry Miss D, I got the wrong end of the stick there

That is okay. It was a little hard to tell what my opinion is from that post! I can understand both sides of it.

Several posters in this thread seem to be incapable of compartmentalization, or they believe that other posters are incapable. We're all aware of how Saira had come across previous to this incident. Nothing has changed in that regard. Then Marnie made an ass of herself too. That does not negate Saira's previous behaviour, nor does Saira's behaviour excuse Marnie's.

Perhaps Marnie could have claimed the moral high ground if she hadn't done what she did, but by doing it she certainly didn't concede the moral high ground to Saira. They both have their faults, and both were out of order. If you really want to compare apples and oranges though, I doubt that anyone would think that Saira's behaviour warranted a formal warning, whereas Marnie's behaviour...

No. Any deliberate act to hurt and humiliate another housemate is NEVER shrugged off as a silly game. Fortunately BB fans know malicious, nasty behavior when they see it and react accordingly.

Only 85% ...that's disappointing.

I do have a problem with the people who encouraged her, this includes Chloe, Heavy D, Lewis, and Bear. I also hold Marnie accountable for her actions. I hold every adult accountable for their actions, that is what being an adult is about.




This is true. The high ground is always the better way

I had wondered where they were, good to know YL.

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Is it?

Also, is it really clear that Saira is interested in people, rather than trying to manipulate and to showcase her "opinions"?

The behaviour of a moron.

Marnie bragging about her tits with a surgery scar right underneath is hilarious.

Like hoe, I can buy tits and show them off too.

If someone is dared to stab someone and they do, they are culpable, not the person who dared them. They are not, as someone has posted, 'just a bunch of kids', they are adults in their 20s - 40s in Boom's case. Lewis started the spiteful game by suggesting Marnie make a false promise and kiss Saira's hand. Bear took it to the next level of spite, by suggesting that she say Saira is jealous of her breasts. Sam countered the dares by asking her not to do anything to Saira. Marnie independently decided to take things to an abusive level by baring her breasts and thrusting them in Saira's face. Even when Saira put out her hand to protect herself, Marnie came at her again. This had nothing to do with fun, nothing to do with a woman's right to show her body, nothing to do with a poor innocent girl, who'd had a drink and was lead astray. Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira. Biggins, Grant and Sam should have used their biggest voices and joined James in the condemnation of what Marnie did - sadly, they didn't. Shame on them.

I know we only see edited highlights, but from what I've seen, it's Saira's behaviour that's been out of order. She speaks to people as though she's interrogating them and makes assumptions about them before she's even asked any questions.

Her worst fault is she just doesn't listen. She takes a position and then when people try to explain how they feel, she talks over them and tries to justify her own position. When Marnie went to the bedroom to talk to her when she was upset, instead of graciously accepting an olive branch and moving on, she used it as an excuse to attack Marnie. I think she has a huge chip on her shoulder and she needs to get over herself.

As Sam mentioned in her noms, Marnie has a habit of making insincere apologies. I suspect Saira was being very guarded when Marnie was apologising. She may well have thought it was another set-up by Marnie and her gang. Her reservations were founded, as Marnie showed just how sorry she really was with her actions later. Saira may not listen and come across badly, but she didn't deserve what Marnie did to her.

What Marnie did to her later was a direct result of Saira's attitude towards her. If Saira has made a judgement that Marnie is insincere (not that Marnie had said anything to apologize for in the first place) or that she changes when she's had a drink, why should Marnie show Saira any respect?

Have I missed a show BTW - I haven't seen noms - or was it on BOTS?