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What Marnie did to her later was a direct result of Saira's attitude towards her. If Saira has made a judgement that Marnie is insincere (not that Marnie had said anything to apologize for in the first place) or that she changes when she's had a drink, why should Marnie show Saira any respect?
Have I missed a show BTW - I haven't seen noms - or was it on BOTS? |
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James Whale's outrage was so over the top
At his age,the silly old sod should be pleased he saw a pair of young perky boobs
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Hang on a minute. Marnie should have no respect for Saira because Saira makes observations about Marnie that are 100% accurate?
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If someone is dared to stab someone and they do, they are culpable, not the person who dared them. They are not, as someone has posted, 'just a bunch of kids', they are adults in their 20s - 40s in Boom's case. Lewis started the spiteful game by suggesting Marnie make a false promise and kiss Saira's hand. Bear took it to the next level of spite, by suggesting that she say Saira is jealous of her breasts. Sam countered the dares by asking her not to do anything to Saira. Marnie independently decided to take things to an abusive level by baring her breasts and thrusting them in Saira's face. Even when Saira put out her hand to protect herself, Marnie came at her again. This had nothing to do with fun, nothing to do with a woman's right to show her body, nothing to do with a poor innocent girl, who'd had a drink and was lead astray. Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira. Biggins, Grant and Sam should have used their biggest voices and joined James in the condemnation of what Marnie did - sadly, they didn't. Shame on them.
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We can all make accurate observations about people if we are in a mind to do so. The point was that Marnie had gone in to support Saira, but Saira preferred to keep the argument going. Saira can dish it out but she can't take it when people make observations about her
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If someone is dared to stab someone and they do, they are culpable, not the person who dared them. They are not, as someone has posted, 'just a bunch of kids', they are adults in their 20s - 40s in Boom's case. Lewis started the spiteful game by suggesting Marnie make a false promise and kiss Saira's hand. Bear took it to the next level of spite, by suggesting that she say Saira is jealous of her breasts. Sam countered the dares by asking her not to do anything to Saira. Marnie independently decided to take things to an abusive level by baring her breasts and thrusting them in Saira's face. Even when Saira put out her hand to protect herself, Marnie came at her again. This had nothing to do with fun, nothing to do with a woman's right to show her body, nothing to do with a poor innocent girl, who'd had a drink and was lead astray. Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira. Biggins, Grant and Sam should have used their biggest voices and joined James in the condemnation of what Marnie did - sadly, they didn't. Shame on them.
![]() "Protect herself"? ![]() Are Marnie's breasts supposed to be deadly weapons now, or something? Then we get the mind-reading: spiteful, designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass. In fact, none of us know what, if anything, it was designed to do. |
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"Abusive level"?
![]() "Protect herself"? ![]() Are Marnie's breasts supposed to be deadly weapons now, or something? Then we get the mind-reading: spiteful, designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass. In fact, none of us know what, if anything, it was designed to do. To put your arm out to stop it happening - to protect yourself Marnie's breasts are not deadly weapons, but in this instance she was using them as a weapon - of spite. I think the many people that have commented on this instance, have taken an educated guess that the purpose was to humiliate and embarrass. We do know what it was designed to do, because we heard Lewis, Bear and Marnie planning to do something to Marnie that would upset her. So we know the intention was not good. |
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To push your bare breasts in another woman's face - abusive
To put your arm out to stop it happening - to protect yourself Nor is saying "push your bare breasts in another woman's face" which makes it sound like physical contact. Quote:
Marnie's breasts are not deadly weapons, but in this instance she was using them as a weapon - of spite. I think the many people that have commented on this instance, have taken an educated guess that the purpose was to humiliate and embarrass. We do know what it was designed to do, because we heard Lewis, Bear and Marnie planning to do something to Marnie that would upset her. So we know the intention was not good.
"Spite" is just your belief about what was going on in Marnie's mind. And "educated guess"? Educated by what? People are just making assumptions about things they couldn't know without being mind-readers.Your claim that it was "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" now rests on a very different word, "upset". And did they even say that? Besides, in your earlier post, "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" was about Marnie supposedly going further than the others had suggested: "Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira." That claim about Marnie can't be based on what the others said. I think it shows how little people really have to use against Marnie that they use exaggerated descriptions of this minor incident to try to make it seem a major one. |
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I know what you were referring to; I just don't think those are appropriate words to use.
Nor is saying "push your bare breasts in another woman's face" which makes it sound like physical contact. "Spite" is just your belief about what was going on in Marnie's mind. And "educated guess"? Educated by what? People are just making assumptions about things they couldn't know without being mind-readers. Your claim that it was "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" now rests on a very different word, "upset". And did they even say that? Besides, in your earlier post, "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" was about Marnie supposedly going further than the others had suggested: "Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira." That claim about Marnie can't be based on what the others said. I think it shows how little people really have to use against Marnie that they use exaggerated descriptions of this minor incident to try to make it seem a major one. We each summarise what we see and make assumptions on that. Marnie is a spiteful, selfcentred, vindictive, ugly hearted little cockweasel. Nothing to like about her at all. |
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You talk of people making assumptions and their beliefs? I believe you are doing exactly the same.
We each summarise what we see and make assumptions on that. Marnie is a spiteful, selfcentred, vindictive, ugly hearted little cockweasel. Nothing to like about her at all. |
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I know what you were referring to; I just don't think those are appropriate words to use.
Nor is saying "push your bare breasts in another woman's face" which makes it sound like physical contact. "Spite" is just your belief about what was going on in Marnie's mind. And "educated guess"? Educated by what? People are just making assumptions about things they couldn't know without being mind-readers. Your claim that it was "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" now rests on a very different word, "upset". And did they even say that? Besides, in your earlier post, "designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira" was about Marnie supposedly going further than the others had suggested: "Marnie's action was much more spiteful than what her vile friends had suggested and was designed to intimidate, humiliate and embarrass Saira." That claim about Marnie can't be based on what the others said. I think it shows how little people really have to use against Marnie that they use exaggerated descriptions of this minor incident to try to make it seem a major one. Out of interest, what words would you use to describe: 1. A woman approaching another woman, baring her breasts and trying to push them in her face - twice, against her will, 2. The action of physically moving away from a threat, whilst using your arm as a block. You are right it is my belief, assumption, interpretation and claim that Lewis, Bear and Marnie's intentions were malicious. They were trying to upset her more than she already was. Sam, who was there and heard them plotting, realised what they were doing was spiteful, which is why she spoke out and moved away from them. James and Biggins, who were there, realised that Saira was intimidated and Marnie was being nasty, which is why they spoke out. My claim about Marnie is not solely based on what the others said, it's based on how quickly she jumped up to take the dare - not even a moment was given to how it would make Saira feel. IMO it did highlight how spiteful Marnie is because she took the dare to a more abusive level. What is your interpretation of Marnie's intent? |
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James Whale's outrage was so over the top
At his age,the silly old sod should be pleased he saw a pair of young perky boobs ![]() |
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