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Biggins: Bisexuals are people who don't wanna admit their gay?
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silven
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“thats interesting may i ask if you are male or female as very few women will date a bisexual man.”

I'm female, well into my 60s and long time married, but were that not the case I would have no problem dating a bi guy.
ShadowTillNow
02-08-2016
What that old mob hag said was pretty ridiculous too... "...today in society they kind force things on you...and they confuse you..."

What does that even mean? I can interpret it in a whole lot of ways and all of them are ignorant and backward.
Dr Z
02-08-2016
Its alarmingly simple, either you respect other peoples sexuality or you don't.

Bigg(ot)ins doesn't, but hey that's OK because the Gay card trumps any hurt feelings of Bisexuals.
Karis
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by steg1988:
“Shocking comment. He's speaking out against a minority.”

Oh dear lord. You see it's not shocking at all. Because, what sane and grounded person gives a crap what he thinks?

I like Biggins but I don't give a crap about what he says. None of it matters.

The world has turned so ridiculously politically correct - it's unbelievable. In fact your responses to the statement of a 67 year old man are more shocking than anything he could ever say.

If you don't like what he says vote to evict him or ignore him.

Summary: it's a TV show featuring people I would never meet and would certainly never socialise with. Their opinions do not matter to me at all.
wotnot
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by StressMonkey:
“That actually upset me

I'm Bi because I am attracted to men and women. Not because it's trendy or I want to 'try' it or because I can't admit to being gay - I fancy men so I can't be gay. I fancy women so I can't be straight.

So Biggins, Renee and their ignorance can f*ck right off. ”

I got the distinct impression that's the people they were referring to. BIB
karl_kennedy
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by chloeb:
“Pathetic isn't it?
He's entitled to his opinion and as a gay man of his age he has probably met alot of people such as he was referring to and actually as he walked away he said it was sad....whatever he means there can be interpreted different ways”


it certainly is.....people just seem to love being outraged by something / anything these days....the type of outrage that is usually accompanied by those dreaded words..'Twitter campaign'
InMyArms
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“im bisexual and this is a typical example of gay people discriminating against bisexuals the opressed always seem to become opressors. we bisexual people have it harder than gays as nobody wants to date us.”

Sorry but no, we do not typically discriminate against you.

Biggins is not typical of a gay man, he opposes same sex marriage for example.
Jeanie
02-08-2016
There's a lot of moral outrage over what he said, but the problem is, sadly, I don't think it's an unusual opinion at all. Especially among the older gay community, and dare I say it, some of the younger ones too.

I've got a number of older gay friends and they all hold this opinion. They think "you can't have it both ways, you're either gay or straight and that's it". No matter how much the subject is debated they are immovable. We have talked about it over and over during the years, and even though some of them faced horrendous prejudice in the '70s when they came out, they can't see their attitude is just as bad as the bigots who condemned them!

I also work with a 26 gay man and he thinks the same thing. His opinion is that you might experiment when you are young, but sooner or later you will "go one way or the other".

Sadly, I think society hasn't moved on as much as some of us would hope. However, it may be a good thing that the subject has been brought up as more openness, honesty acceptance and understanding is very much needed.
bratwurzt
02-08-2016
I love the way people on here see being labeled as gay offensive.
karl_kennedy
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jeanie:
“ and even though some of them faced horrendous prejudice in the '70s when they came out, they can't see their attitude is just as bad as the bigots who condemned them! .”


really?......gay men of Biggins' age would be very familiar with regular physical violence / confrontation and gay bashing because of their sexuality....and you can guarantee that as an openly gay man in the public eye in the 1970's he's encountered a hell of a lot more genuine, oppressive bigotry than what's being perceived as such here.......people need to get a bit of perspective and accept that he's entitled to his opinion.....he's hardly Tyson Fury now is he
Vodka_Drinka
02-08-2016
You only have to look around the Internet to see its not an uncommon view, sadly. You'd think a group of people who'd been subjected to horrible prejudice themselves would be more tolerant wouodnt you? I guess bigoted arseholes exist in all areas of society. Even on this thread people are minimising what he said, how sad in 2016.

I wonder what his views on trans people are?Actually no, I don't want to know.
Karis
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“You only have to look around the Internet to see its not an uncommon view, sadly. You'd think a group of people who'd been subjected to horrible prejudice themselves would be more tolerant wouodnt you? I guess bigoted arseholes exist in all areas of society. Even on this thread people are minimising what he said, how sad in 2016.

I wonder what his views on trans people are?Actually no, I don't want to know.”

It's not in ANY way minimising what he said. Get some bleedin' perspective.

It doesn't matter! He doesn't speak for ANY community or any one group - he's just one person on a TV show.

None of it matters. If you are bisexual then STAND UP and be a paragon of society - show people - don't tell them (online). Be a light in the community and educate others.

That's how it's done. Not by being outraged about some bloke on a TV show.

Ultimately, it's great to discuss all these issues, but perspective is needed and lots of it. If we had these people in our direct lives, they'd soon be ex-friends. There's an awful lot of hate and prejudice in the world - probably more than any of us realise - but it's how we choose to handle it that defines us.

HUGS for everyone!!!
froja
02-08-2016
i think it's good that people are expressing their outrage to the comment in this forum. It's an outlet and people can also find comfort in seeing other peoples support and disagreement with an opinion like that. What we see on our tv screens do affect people and a lot of young people watch big brother and feel bad about themselves for numerous reasons. Bigoted opinions need to be challenged in whatever media outlet as well as in real life.
Jeanie
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by karl_kennedy:
“really?......gay men of Biggins' age would be very familiar with regular physical violence / confrontation and gay bashing because of their sexuality....and you can guarantee that as an openly gay man in the public eye in the 1970's he's encountered a hell of a lot more genuine, oppressive bigotry than what's being perceived as such here.......people need to get a bit of perspective and accept that he's entitled to his opinion.....he's hardly Tyson Fury now is he”

Err, that was my point! Maybe I didn't make it very well.

My friends faced truly vile prejudice in the '70s. One was hospitalised after being beaten up by a gang of thugs who shouted homophobic abuse at him. The police did little to find the perpetrators. Another friend was sacked from his job as his boss received an anonymous letter stating "did you know that you have a xxxxxx working for you?" He was called into the office, asked if it was true and sacked on the spot. I could go on - horrendous bigotry and persecution.

Other examples were "well meaning" relatives suggesting they "see a doctor" or have some counselling. That it was "just a phase" or if they tried hard enough they "could become heterosexual." I have plenty of these examples too.

My point was that as they have lived through this type of prejudice and intolerance - which is essentially born out of ignorance and misunderstanding - one would hope they would be more open minded about different sexual orientations.

No, Biggins is certainly not offensive like Tyson Fury - but bigotry and and discrimination needs to be spoken about. Just because Biggins is seen as one of the nations lovable treasures, it doesn't mean his views should be deemed acceptable.
zx50
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“What do you guys think, any real bisexuals here can shed some light?”

He's a complete and utter idiot for saying that. He's obviously biphobic. I think he's lost himself votes after coming out with that ridiculous comment. No doubt he'll not get a warning either.
doormouse
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Karis:
“Oh dear lord. You see it's not shocking at all. Because, what sane and grounded person gives a crap what he thinks?

I like Biggins but I don't give a crap about what he says. None of it matters.

The world has turned so ridiculously politically correct - it's unbelievable. In fact your responses to the statement of a 67 year old man are more shocking than anything he could ever say.

If you don't like what he says vote to evict him or ignore him.

Summary: it's a TV show featuring people I would never meet and would certainly never socialise with. Their opinions do not matter to me at all.”

i do like you. Speaking sense in what is becoming a ridiculous, politically correct and sensless world.
zx50
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by xmel05:
“He's talking about gays pretending they're bisexual. He wasn't being negative”

No he wasn't. Watch it again. He was talking about bisexuals, not people pretending they're bisexuals.
doormouse
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“No he wasn't. Watch it again. He was talking about bisexuals, not people pretending they're bisexuals.”

Yes he was talking about bisexuals.
zx50
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jeanie:
“No, Biggins is certainly not offensive like Tyson Fury - but bigotry and and discrimination needs to be spoken about. Just because Biggins is seen as one of the nations lovable treasures, it doesn't mean his views should be deemed acceptable.”

Totally. Biggins' comments about bisexuals would be seen as very offensive by bisexuals out there.
Dr Z
02-08-2016
Or more interestingly, if Tyson Fury had said Bisexual people just don't want to admit they are gay, there would be calls for his head. Different rules for different folks.
sorcha_healy27
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by bratwurzt:
“I love the way people on here see being labeled as gay offensive.”

0/10.
zx50
02-08-2016
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Or more interestingly, if Tyson Fury had said Bisexual people just don't want to admit they are gay, there would be calls for his head. Different rules for different folks.”

Absolutely. It just shows what type of person Biggins is.
FusionFury
02-08-2016
Unbelievable Jeff !

punishment?
RandomPeter94
02-08-2016
It kind of varies I think personally. There are some gay guys have have been through a 'bi now, gay later' stage. It's not necessarily true though, some due genuinely like both.
The Finisher
02-08-2016
The thing that amazes me in our so called enlightened age is that there are still so many that persist in this 'black and white' thinking. They label by saying you are either A or Z and completely disregard as a cop out everything and anyone in-between.

It is purely and simply ignorance and intolerance. Intolerance of anything that doesn't fit their preconceived idea of how others should 'be'.
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