Precisely. There'll have been things said decades before the '80s that no one would have thought twice about. These days though, things like that are best left in the past.

I was stating what Biggins said is his opinion and he is entitled to it wether you agree with him or you dont, he is still entitled to say his view on bisexual people, same as this forum is and just because peoples opinions differ why act like a child calling someone names.

But this is a TV show. The producers can't be seen to allow housemates to say anything they like. Companies would stop having their adverts shown in episodes. This isn't in the outside world but in Celebrity Big Brother.

Yes I do take your point and agree - my point really was about society at large not particularly just within side the big brother house

Where was I bothered? Am I gonna stop fu.cking men and women? Hell naw cuz.

I'm letting you know that GAY doesn't just mean MEN. Lesbians kinda exist too. Nobody care what y'all think, Bisexuals exist and gonna keep living.

Can I direct anyone with questions to the Asexuality community site? http://www.asexuality.org/home/ It's a far more complex orientation than you might imagine and you can learn a lot from the wide range of experiences there. Thanks!

Why?

Does being gay make him immune to outrage at him saying something bigoted or stupid?

Does being old? A so-called "Institution" by basis of not having died yet?

I never understand the rules of why some people are judged to be automatically eligible for a pass on saying stupid, bigoted or offensive things.

This is reminding me somewhat of how Caitlyn Jenner can say whatever the hell she wants and a large group of people would never call her out on it (until she started doing it so often even they couldn't ignore it all).

There is a difference between something which may be true in a few cases and making unqualified blanket statements.

A lot of the defenders of Biggins have been re-parsing what he said and adding in words like "some" and other qualifiers he didn't use.

This is simply not what happened.

I am not a defender and I have no desire to partake in any silly fan wars btw. If I made a mistake in my post on what I thought I had heard then I stand corrected, I am not always listening properly when I watch this shit.

I'm more confused than ever now

There seems to be an overwhelming consensus here that Biggins was wrong when he said, more or less, that men who call themselves bi-sexual are actually gay men 'in denial'

So, assuming he is wrong, does that mean that a man is only gay if he exclusively has sex with other men ? .... and if a man has sex with other men, but also has sex with women, then he is not gay ?

Well it was obvious this would be the outcome and rightly so.

Christopher Biggins banned from LGBTI events until he says sorry to bisexuals
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/c...d-lgbt-events/

Biggins was basically saying that all bisexuals were people that couldn't make their minds up about their sexuality.

Its not as complicated as you make it out to be.

In essence it is not about who you have sex with. Its about who you WANT to have sex with.

A gay man could have heterosexual sex but not truly want to. He could even have sexual fulfillment with a woman, but judge it to be a transitory thing that doesn't matter in any real way, because he believes the fulfillment would be even greater with a man.

A bisexual person--a true one--wouldn't distinguish. They'd be the case of someone who either truly had no preference, or who at the very least judges themselves to be inherently unbiased in either direction.

The tricky line is that there are indeed people who declare themselves bisexual who do also state it in such a way that they prefer one gender but accept sex with either. If Biggins hadn't been making a sweeping statement that talked about "bisexuals" as all one thing, and qualified what he said properly, he might have a point about THIS specific group. People who basically experiment with same-sex intercourse but are dabblers. That said, there's really nothing WRONG with that, and at the very least Biggins statement was judgey about this in a way that's kind of bull******. Its no skin off Biggins pale white arse if people dabble. It doesn't injure him.

They used to convey this on a spectrum rather than as distinct choices. One one end the people who are hardcore attracted to the same gender. On the other end the people who are hardcore attracted to the opposite gender. And a whole variety of states in the middle between them. But even that idea is somewhat outdated, because it doesn't present bisexuality as a possible endpoint instead of as a mid-point. Probably its better to represent this as a triangle, or possibly a kind of Venn Diagram, where you can be one thing or another, or both, without it being displayed as some kind of compromise.

The way I read that he is only not going to be invited to events these specific organisations sponsor. Which in effect may be most if not all of them, but its not like there is some official LGBT office deciding things. Just a lot of little ones who are fed up with him each on their own.

I suppose it would be even worse for ol' Biggins if he was in America, where GLAAD pretty much runs the whole show, and the US LGBT community just seems to somehow accept them as being "in charge" (a bit disturbing, since GLAAD has shown themselves to be hypocrites in the past few years with their near blind support of Caitlyn Jenner).

It didn't come across to me that he was saying that

I got the impression that he was saying any man who has sex with another man is essentially a 'gay' man, and that those who say they are bisexual are effectively 'in denial' in a ... "but I have sex with women too, so I am not gay" sort of way

Well, I am straight and I have a lot of gay friends - I am out on the scene with them a lot. I hear this view from a few of them and they do seem to think they can take the moral high ground against bisexuals, like they are better. They're my friends, I love them, but I will argue with them and say what I think. And I do see a lot of them being very promiscuous, and I tell them straight - you accuse bi men of sleeping around, or they are dirty and bed hoppers, but you bang men you have just met in the toilets, or on the common. So, I will say 'some', not all because of course, it is not everyone. Double standards and generalisations , it seems.

OK so you're a male and have sex with a man today and you enjoy it

But then tomorrow you have sex with a woman which you also enjoy

The day after tomorrow you have a 3some with a male / female couple and enjoy sex with BOTH of them

Come the weekend you are worn out, but you should not have to declare your sexuality as straight or gay if you like both genders in reasonably equal quantities

Who has the right to say you can only like one or the other?

The issue with people understanding bisexuality is unlike someone saying they are straight and like the opposite sex all of the time or gay liking the same sex all of the time bisexuals can be any percentage on either side it does not have to be a 50/50 split

I know men I consider straight who have had gay sex. I am gay but I have a son so somewhere along the line I did the deed with a woman. But I AM GAY

Does that make sense?

(apologies for lack of punctuation, but I cant be ar*ed to go back and correct)

good! I like when people take a stand. Biggins will continue to have his opinions and he can but people in the LGBT community and elsewhere doesn't need to have him as a host for events or be an ambassador for anything. There are a lot of very accepting and worthy 'celebs' and people in general who can do it instead.

Thanks for that explanation, and punctuation makes no difference when a post is as clearly written as yours

I was really just pointing out what Biggins appeared to be saying though, not what I thought to be true ( I'm still not clear on this issue to be honest )

Something that is baffling me is that heterosexuals seem, by and large, to be completely accepting of bisexuality as a legitimate sexual identity, whilst gay people ( of the Biggins kind ) clearly are not

Why is that, do you think ? Why do some gay people have reservations about the legitimacy of bisexuality ?

I think Samantha Fox made a really valid point when James was asking her if it was difficult not coming out... She said it's more about the person you fall in love with, not their sex... OP, you're entitled to your opinion, so why when others have a different one is it "Faux"???

Biggins made a very sweeping statement & was quite insulting about it, "Oh, The Bisexuals Are The WORST"??? That's like a bisexual person saying "Oh, the gays/straights are the WORST, how can you be gay/straight if you haven't even TRIED sleeping with the opposite/same sex???"