• TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
  • Follow
    • Follow
    • facebook
    • twitter
    • google+
    • instagram
    • youtube
Hearst Corporation
  • TV
  • MOVIES
  • MUSIC
  • SHOWBIZ
  • SOAPS
  • GAMING
  • TECH
  • FORUMS
Forums
  • Register
  • Login
  • Forums
  • TV
  • Big Brother
Is it morally repugnant to have Renee Graziano as a housemate?
<<
<
1 of 4
>>
>
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
IMO yes. A woman whose claim to fame is that her father and husband were professional murderers and violent mobsters, and now she's getting wealthy off the back of this, happily facilitated by Channel 5

Paying a lot of money to a woman so she can boast about how her members of her family were violent mobsters is a new low for C5 and is ethically outrageous

Imagine how the victims of her family must feel if they are watching this, or the families of those victims who are no longer around because they're buried somewhere under Meadowlands with a bullet in their head. The mafia is no joke, despite its depiction in popular culture

BB has retroactively kicked out HMs with dubious pasts before (the woman who was ejected because she had Nazi sympathies). Even Carmela Soprano felt guilt over her lifestyle... where is Renee's guilt? She needs to be removed along with her absurdly inflated posterior.
bbnutnut
03-08-2016
I suppose she'd argue that she didn't kill anyone and her family only killed rival mobsters rather than your average Joe and that seems to make it all ok.

It can't be right that she brought out a cookbook called How to Use a Meat Cleaver but it sold well, apparently.
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“I suppose she'd argue that she didn't kill anyone and her family only killed rival mobsters rather than your average Joe and that seems to make it all ok.

It can't be right that she brought out a cookbook called How to Use a Meat Cleaver but it sold well, apparently.”

it wasn't only rival mobsters they killed. The Bonanno family is one of the major five New York families - involved in countless murders over the years - including murder for hire - that means killing innocents for a fee. That's what the mob does.

Her father was the family's consigliere and will have likely ordered many whackings, as well as been involved with all kinds of other crimes. And her husband murdered a totally innocent man in a robbery. Nice.

And Renee is now cashing in on this evil, rather than repenting for it. Channel 5 is giving her blood money and so is anyone who votes for her or buys the products advertised in the commercial breaks

I'm surprised the show's sponsors are OK with it
Zarla
03-08-2016
Bb has some dubious double standards. Renee has lived off immoral earnings all her life and facilitated serious organised crime by not informing on her husband yet here she is. Andrew Tate got kicked off for filming a mild S & M video with his girlfriend.
gkabc
03-08-2016
If there is anything repugnant, it's the fact that this is called a "Celebrity" version of BB. When none of the people in the talent show have any actual talent, it's pretty telling.
Alrightmate
03-08-2016
OP I made a post a couple of days ago about the same thing.
There's something very wrong about it in my opinion. That this is what is presented to us as a celebrity right now.
Whatever I think of Renee is one thing, but I think the more disturbing trait is the media choosing to hold up people like this as celebrities for us to 'celebrate'.
bbnutnut
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by Strange Quark:
“it wasn't only rival mobsters they killed. The Bonanno family is one of the major five New York families - involved in countless murders over the years - including murder for hire - that means killing innocents for a fee. That's what the mob does.

Her father was the family's consigliere and will have likely ordered many whackings, as well as been involved with all kinds of other crimes. And her husband murdered a totally innocent man in a robbery. Nice.

And Renee is now cashing in on this evil, rather than repenting for it. Channel 5 is giving her blood money and so is anyone who votes for her or buys the products advertised in the commercial breaks

I'm surprised the show's sponsors are OK with it”

Jeez, how naive am I? I thought her family was mainly involved in illegal gambling, money laundering and rival mob feuds - not that that isn't bad enough! I'd no idea her family were that evil.
ahoyy
03-08-2016
Mafia expert as well.
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“Jeez, how naive am I? I thought her family was mainly involved in illegal gambling, money laundering and rival mob feuds - not that that isn't bad enough! I'd no idea her family were that evil.”

most Italian American mafia families are involved in all those rackets, and some with drugs rackets too and contract killings. Violence and murder comes with the business. Movies/TV shows often glorify it as being a 'noble' or honourable life
MsBehaviour
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by ahoyy:
“Mafia expert as well.”

Maybe someone's got to be... it's true that we are encouraged to 'celebrate' some very odd or amoral stuff at the behest of the media these days.
EnricoIV
03-08-2016
Gosh, I wasn't aware that morality was something that was a requirement to be on Celebrity Big Brother.

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by MsBehaviour:
“Maybe someone's got to be... it's true that we are encouraged to 'celebrate' some very odd or amoral stuff at the behest of the media these days.”

I half expect an ex-terrorist celebrity to be in next year's series....
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Gosh, I wasn't aware that morality was something that was a requirement to be on Celebrity Big Brother.

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.”

cheating on your spouse or having a history of substance abuse is one thing. Glorifying murder is quite another
Henrik
03-08-2016
Fuhgeddaboudit
diesels hummin
03-08-2016
Wat ja gonna do.
bbnutnut
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by Strange Quark:
“cheating on your spouse or having a history of substance abuse is one thing. Glorifying murder is quite another”

They had Heidi Fleiss in a past CBB. She worked as a prostitute and then ran her own prostitution ring.
ahoyy
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Gosh, I wasn't aware that morality was something that was a requirement to be on Celebrity Big Brother.

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.”

Morality and racial purity are key requisites judging by the same threads we get year after year.
ahoyy
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“They had Heidi Fleiss in a past CBB. She worked as a prostitute and then ran her own prostitution ring.”

So did Natalie just the other month
bbnutnut
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by ahoyy:
“So did Natalie just the other month”

I didn't watch that one. I gave up on the civilian BB a few years back.
chelle6
03-08-2016
Murder is very different from prostitution which is legal in many places. Also movies about fictional mafia are different, it is one thing to find a fictional mafia movie entertaining a whole other thing to glorify actual mafia families.
I agree that the mafia should not be celebrated or even messed with, remember Alex from series 9 of civilian big brother she was ejected for threatening the other HMs. How much more frightening would it be to get on the wrong side of Renee, are the other HMs in any kind of danger being in a house with her so long and running the risk of getting on that wrong side?
sorcha_healy27
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“They had Heidi Fleiss in a past CBB. She worked as a prostitute and then ran her own prostitution ring.”

Not exactly in the same league as murder though is it.
ghosty
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by Strange Quark:
“IMO yes. A woman whose claim to fame is that her father and husband were professional murderers and violent mobsters, and now she's getting wealthy off the back of this, happily facilitated by Channel 5

Paying a lot of money to a woman so she can boast about how her members of her family were violent mobsters is a new low for C5 and is ethically outrageous

Imagine how the victims of her family must feel if they are watching this, or the families of those victims who are no longer around because they're buried somewhere under Meadowlands with a bullet in their head. The mafia is no joke, despite its depiction in popular culture

BB has retroactively kicked out HMs with dubious pasts before (the woman who was ejected because she had Nazi sympathies). Even Carmela Soprano felt guilt over her lifestyle... where is Renee's guilt? She needs to be removed along with her absurdly inflated posterior.”



Personally i dont think she should have been allowed to be in there , but then again C5 and BB have no morals at all , i agree with you about the familys of those that suffered at the hands of her " family " . I dont think Americans should be in the UK CBB anyway , ( just my opinion ) .
wotnot
03-08-2016
IMO no more than having a prostitute in the house, Renee may have been brought up in the mob lifestyle and married a member of the mob but she hasn't whacked anyone herself.
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“IMO no more than having a prostitute in the house, Renee may have been brought up in the mob lifestyle and married a member of the mob but she hasn't whacked anyone herself.”

she's an enabler. How many people were harmed and even killed so she could live her lavish lifestyle? She indirectly procured wealth from the misery and suffering of others, and knew full well where the money was coming from

instead of regretting or apologising for her immoral past, she revels in it, glorifies it and uses her it to make even more money. And C5 are apparently only too keen to keep enabling her
wotnot
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by Strange Quark:
“she's an enabler. How many people were harmed and even killed so she could live her lavish lifestyle? She indirectly procured wealth from the misery and suffering of others, and knew full well where the money was coming from

instead of regretting or apologising for her immoral past, she revels in it, glorifies it and uses her it to make even more money. And C5 are apparently only too keen to keep enabling her”

Have you watched mob wives? She actually states many times how regretful and remorseful she is about the things her family has done. She also has a business that, yes she was able to begin from the money she made from mob wives (which is produced by her sister), but is an honest income. I think your description of enabler is inappropriate though, I don't think anyone 'enables' the type of men Renee is used to being around.
I am not about to defend Renee's morals or lifestyle but equally I am not going to pretend that she is any worse than some of the utter trash who have entered that house over the years.
<<
<
1 of 4
>>
>
VIEW DESKTOP SITE TOP

JOIN US HERE

  • Facebook
  • Twitter

Hearst Corporation

Hearst Corporation

DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK

© 2015 Hearst Magazines UK is the trading name of the National Magazine Company Ltd, 72 Broadwick Street, London, W1F 9EP. Registered in England 112955. All rights reserved.

  • Terms & Conditions
  • Privacy Policy
  • Cookie Policy
  • Complaints
  • Site Map