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Is it morally repugnant to have Renee Graziano as a housemate?
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sorcha_healy27
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Have you watched mob wives? She actually states many times how regretful and remorseful she is about the things her family has done. She also has a business that, yes she was able to begin from the money she made from mob wives (which is produced by her sister), but is an honest income. I think your description of enabler is inappropriate though, I don't think anyone 'enables' the type of men Renee is used to being around.
I am not about to defend Renee's morals or lifestyle but equally I am not going to pretend that she is any worse than some of the utter trash who have entered that house over the years.”

Bib boo friggin hoo.
Prostitution at least is an honest profession
MysteriousOz
03-08-2016
Yeah don't really like Renee or anything mafia related, its all just very nasty

But BB producers don't care and in this type of reality show the public wont care either
wotnot
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Bib boo friggin hoo.
Prostitution at least is an honest profession”

In your opinion sweetie, it's all a case of your moral compass.
kravchic
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“In your opinion sweetie, it's all a case of your moral compass.”

IMO it's not that simple when it comes to prostitution, leaving out the question of women who are trafficked and forced into it, who decides what is moral in questions of monetary transactions re: sex between consenting adults? Why is it legal in some places and not others? There is room for debate on prostitution. No such room exists when it comes to premeditated murder, although I accept Renee is not guilty of that herself, she has lived off the money associated with it as someone here has stated.
sorcha_healy27
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by kravchic:
“IMO it's not that simple when it comes to prostitution, leaving out the question of women who are trafficked and forced into it, who decides what is moral in questions of monetary transactions re: sex between consenting adults? Why is it legal in some places and not others? There is room for debate on prostitution. No such room exists when it comes to premeditated murder, although I accept Renee is not guilty of that herself, she has lived off the money associated with it as someone here has stated.”

I agree. I find it incredible that American producers found it morally acceptable to air a show even entitled mob wives. Glorifying criminals who have lived off the proceeds of murder and probably trafficking and prostitution because the mafia were involved in that too.

Is there any depths to which tv producers won't sink?
sutie
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I agree. I find it incredible that American producers found it morally acceptable to air a show even entitled mob wives. Glorifying criminals who have lived off the proceeds of murder and probably trafficking and prostitution because the mafia were involved in that too.

Is there any depths to which tv producers won't sink?”



To answer your question, not if they work for Channel 5. They seem to revel in the unacceptable.
Wee Tinkers
03-08-2016
I hadn't heard of Mob wives before I saw her in cbb and have to say my mind was pretty boggled that such a programme existed. That show has made her a celeb of sorts so I suppose her place in cbb is justified but this Mob wives thing doesn't sit right with me to begin with.

At best it makes light of their brutal and criminal lifestyle and at worst celebrates and glamorises it. To me Mob wives should be a dark documentary not a reality show producing celebs.

But tbf to her she didn't choose that lifestyle. She was born into it so I can understand her values might be different to the rest of us mere non-killy mortals. I'd prefer the likes of her weren't celebrated in the media though. Strange world.
starry
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by gkabc:
“If there is anything repugnant, it's the fact that this is called a "Celebrity" version of BB. When none of the people in the talent show have any actual talent, it's pretty telling.”

Celebrity isn't about talent it's more about fame.

Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think the more disturbing trait is the media choosing to hold up people like this as celebrities for us to 'celebrate'.”

Originally Posted by Strange Quark:
“cheating on your spouse or having a history of substance abuse is one thing. Glorifying murder is quite another”

Originally Posted by ahoyy:
“Morality and racial purity are key requisites judging by the same threads we get year after year.”

It's often not about celebrating or glorifying but about ridiculing or censuring for most of the audience. If you want to criticise it you would do it better on the hyprocrisy of removing someone for something outside the house but keeping others in for things as bad or the general hypocrisy of the audience in taking a big moral high ground when they are hardly perfect themselves.

I'm surprised some of the viewers of this show have no idea what it is aimed at.

Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Gosh, I wasn't aware that morality was something that was a requirement to be on Celebrity Big Brother.

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.”

Quite.
Annabel la
03-08-2016
Renee is one of the few I haven't yet found out about.zThere are prostitutes in the house .I had no idea anything about her background.If her only claim to fame is criminal activities then it is wrong.I hope she has some other claim to fame as well.
She's kept a remarkable y low profile but the Americain trio seem to accept her! Hope your wrong.
JVS
03-08-2016
I don't know whether producers are too bothered about morals what with 'Gypsys' (their word) and benefits cheats filling part of their schedules.
yellowlabbie
03-08-2016
I didn't know anything about Renee but I did not like her from the off. She has a ugly loud mouth. As for BB they should be ashamed of putting this person on the show with her background but I can honestly say nothing surprises me about BB any more.
starry
03-08-2016
There's two sides of morals though, the other side being to feed prejudices and hate.
chelle6
03-08-2016
Morals are subjective, murder for most of us is not, how about we draw a line in the sand say a few feet before murder, can we all agree on that?
starry
03-08-2016
war has plenty of murder
wotnot
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by chelle6:
“Morals are subjective, murder for most of us is not, how about we draw a line in the sand say a few feet before murder, can we all agree on that?”

Who did Renee murder?
mellick
03-08-2016
They would probably put the likes of Fred and Rose West in as a celebrity couple if they could.

There seems to be no morals at all. No line left to cross
wotnot
03-08-2016
OMG's I think it's time to leave this thread when comparisons are being made to serial child killers and paedophiles.
chelle6
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Who did Renee murder?”

All the people who paid for her lifestyle. But that isn't my point it is that Mobs are being glorified and now a Mob wife is being glorified and using that infamy to qualify as a celebrity. I feel like we should draw the line at glorifying a murderous family for entertainment.
lynzee
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by starry:
“There's two sides of morals though, the other side being to feed prejudices and hate.”

Applaus!!!!!!!
Jim_Bob5
03-08-2016
Well there are currently Irish terrorists in Government in the United Kingdom so if there's something to kick up a fuss about it probably isn't the daughter of a criminal being on a reality TV show.
EnricoIV
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I agree. I find it incredible that American producers found it morally acceptable to air a show even entitled mob wives. Glorifying criminals who have lived off the proceeds of murder and probably trafficking and prostitution because the mafia were involved in that too.

Is there any depths to which tv producers won't sink?”

Well given that in 2015, there were over 300 television shows in production, I doubt any subject is taboo.

But, it's okay if they're "scripted" shows to glorify "immoral" behavior? How many shows feature drug dealers, gangsters, terrorists, prostitutes (oops, forgot that one's okay)?

Look, I don't watch the show. Never seen it. Don't like "gangster" films. But that doesn't mean I think it's immoral for them to produce the show, any more than I find it immoral to produce shows like "Ex on the Beach" or "Geordie Shore."
patsylimerick
03-08-2016
Yeah, it is to me.

I find it astonishing that anyone would lump infidelity or prostitution in with what this family are associated with. They're eons apart - morally - for me.

Infidelity is not great, but you'd need to know every single aspect of a marriage and each dynamic to make any kind of moral judgement on it. There's an argument that monogamy is unnatural for most and impossible for many.

Prostitution's a little more murky, obviously, given links with people trafficking and the reasons that SOME women/men turn to it; out of desperation.

However, families who make a living out of murdering people and refusing to co-operate with the relevant authorities; all for the sake of the filthy lucre - is beyond repugnant.

America's social moral compass always fascinates me. They can create a well-received TV show about this but the whole place goes into meltdown if a nipple is seen on primetime network television. Go figure, as they would say themselves.
sorcha_healy27
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Yeah, it is to me.

I find it astonishing that anyone would lump infidelity or prostitution in with what this family are associated with. They're eons apart - morally - for me.

Infidelity is not great, but you'd need to know every single aspect of a marriage and each dynamic to make any kind of moral judgement on it. There's an argument that monogamy is unnatural for most and impossible for many.

Prostitution's a little more murky, obviously, given links with people trafficking and the reasons that SOME women/men turn to it; out of desperation.

However, families who make a living out of murdering people and refusing to co-operate with the relevant authorities; all for the sake of the filthy lucre - is beyond repugnant.

America's social moral compass always fascinates me. They can create a well-received TV show about this but the whole place goes into meltdown if a nipple is seen on primetime network television. Go figure, as they would say themselves.”

Excellent post Patsy
An Thropologist
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Gosh, I wasn't aware that morality was something that was a requirement to be on Celebrity Big Brother.

In fact, I thought it was the opposite.”

Loose morals, sexual proclivities, two timing etc are one thing but being party, even vicariously, to organised crime of the magnitude outlined above is quite another.

I wasnt aware of this and if its only half true I agree with you OP. Highly questionable and appears to glorify and encourage serious crime.
Strange Quark
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by JVS:
“I don't know whether producers are too bothered about morals what with 'Gypsys' (their word) and benefits cheats filling part of their schedules.”

glorifying gypsys and benefit cheats isn't quite up there with glorifying murder, armed robbery, racketeering and a lifetyle of brutal violence....

this is definitely a new low
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