Lewis saying giving Saira a break looking for new target In my opinion is planned bullying if you target someone that is bullying which every way you look at it -why is he being allowed to get away with it.

It's just bizarre that no-one seems to have picked up on this, either in the house or on BOTS. Yesterday someone accused James of starting coffeegate...yet that all happened after deliberate baiting.

And no-one in the house/on BOTS made much of the fact that Lewis broke the bloody rules too - surely someone should have pushed him off the moral high ground.

BOTS are selective in their discussion - several times last night Rylan mentioned Saira & Co's nomination rule break, several times other people pulled him up on not mentioning Bear & Co breaking the noms rules too.

At least one member of the audience and Michelle Heaton mentioned it, yet Rylan still kept saying Saira & Co only.

I missed it last night - I do feel though that there is this select group of people who are all connected in someway (probably by their management team) who keep appearing on one reality show or another - they all seem at one point to have gone out with each other or BFF's or family members or GBF's or just massive supporters of them. Anyone not in the set seems to be voted out quite quickly. Its all the same faces appearing on the panel and their gang retweeting everything they say. I have found Eamon Holmes involvement very odd - I see this man as a genuine reporter - I don't mind that he likes BB and joins in but goodness me inbetween shows I saw something with VIcky and Eamon - a panel game - it was total rubbish - just swearing - sexual words used continuously as if they were 10 year olds picking sexy words out of a dictionary - I am shocked by the route he has taken, is it a midlife crisis or is he enjoying himself - just intrigued.

It's a terrible show that game show. I see it as Eamonn being offered money and taking and also trying to remain relevant amidst the ever-increasing tide of up-and-coming youth. I think C5 thought that he'd give the show gravitas, and he thought he'd be down with the kids

C5 seems to be the stable for 'reality' show dropouts looking for a new job.

That and the voice-box of the Tory government (ooh too serious for the BB board ) with all of their poverty porn.

Emmmmm............. may just have lost me on the Poverty Porn section - is that like people removing Primark underwear

Yes maybe right about Eamonn - could be the money - he is pretty much the face of sky news though surely he isn't without a bob or two - did he really have a need to sell his soul and I am not getting C5 hoping he would give it some gravitas - I think C5 love rolling about in the primordial slime that is C5.

I agree BB needs to stop this unless they want more complaints , when you deliberately target someone that is bullying there can be no mistake

It's ok pulling pranks on people they know will be happy with it, but they are picking on people because they know they won't be comfortable with it. That's what makes it nasty. They are trying to provoke them.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this!

It was one of the few times where I actually watched the show and concentrated I wanted to hear what Leslie Grantham had to say!

Leslie was interesting too!

did you just collapse onto your keyboard or something?

Exactly.
I'm shocked that no one was in trouble for the Marnie flashing instigation yet they were reprimanded for discussing nominations.

Even then, Bloor tried to use it to switch on the older 'conspirers' even thougj Bear was in trouble too.
Why was that forgotten.

Lewis is perhaps the most vile male 'celebrity' housemate yet.

I hated him on Towie and he's worse on this.

No that stupid thing comes up everytime I edit a post to correct spelling etc no idea why it only happens to me!

For once the show was interesting and didn't feel as biased. I wish Leslie could be a permanent feature .....it would be a proper debate show then not full of gurning idiots in the audience who make no sense but want to have air time

Oh god, isn't he just a moron?

That nice guy Essex charm isn't paying off well and he's coming across as a bully and immature. When he was in the diary room saying 'Me and the Squad have give Saira a break', Squad?! What an idiot. It made me loathe him even more.

Couldn't agree more - especially with his use of the words 'victim' and 'squad'

I don't like throwing accusations of bullying around but I fail to see how else that statement can be taken except as an admission that not only are he and his cronies singling people out for bullying, they are doing it in a planned, structured way for their own entertainment.

I agree.

I've only seen it the once, want to rewatch, but I actually think what they were doing to James before he poured the coffee on Bear was very threatening and possibly even Assault.

They had him surrounded, he had the kitchen worktops to his front, and one of them to each side and back. They were standing very close to him, close enough to be rubbing his head quite roughly whilst he repeatedly said "no", and "stop" and "leave it". People say he should have just walked away but he couldn't at that stage without pushing one of them away and they are all much younger and physically stronger than him.

By the time they'd stepped back, he was so riled i can see why he struck back, just walking away would basically have said he was okay with what they had done to him.

The fact that this targeting was pre meditated, as evidenced by Lewis in the Diary Room makes it unforgivable.

Yet James bore the brunt of the blame for the incident.

Same with Saira for not accepting Marnie's apology and statement that it was just a joke and not meant to upset her - despite us seeing Lewis and Bear suggesting it precisely because they knew it would upset her, still ding it despite Sam saying it was cruel and laughing at the response and what they said was Saira "clearly wanting to have a go at Marnie but holding it in" or wtte.

If my memory serves me right, didn't he actually make the statement whilst in the DR. That should have been the moment BB talked to him about targeting people and reminding him the BB doesn't tolerate bullying. Although, now it would seem it does.

Exactly -BB again not caring about the feelings or wellbeing of the housemates that are being targeted by Lewis and his gang

Yes, BB should have made it very clear at that point that they considered that statement to be a threat of bullying and bullying will not be tolerated.

But, sadly, bullying seems to increase interest and ratings (way back to Shilpa Shetty) so they aren't going to stop it unless they absolutely have to. They see these young ones as the draw for viewers and votes so want to keep them in.

It strikes me that they won't do anything unless a housemate makes an official complaint (say if Saira had complained to them about Marnie shoving her tits in her face) and even then, they will use their discretion to either try and placate the complainer or go easy on the perp if they want them in rather than having a 3 strikes and you're out policy or even first offence if bad enough.

James should have said loudly to BB that if HMs are pushing against him and crowding him against the kitchen cabinetry, he couldn't guarantee that he could safely mange the hot pan with bacon and bacon grease.

Seems to me if you deliberately and persistently target someone to make them feel uncomfortable or upset then that is premeditated bullying. BB should step in but I bet they won't.

Good point.

What would have been the reaction if he had upturned the pan and it had caught one of them? Would it have been deemed an accident, something they caused or an attack by James?

He could have done a lot worse than pour coffee over Bear, he could have just turned round suddenly with the hot pan in his hands.

Lewis' statement not only confirmed he was intending to target James but that he was well aware that they had been bullying Saira the prior day. And Saira had been crying in the DR over how she was being treated although clearly she didn't voice that she felt she was being picked on directly to BB although she did say it out in the kitchen - that she felt threatened and that nothing she said was going to be okay with them.

Agreed, it is.

They are verbally, physically and even sexually bullying people and baiting them to retaliate.