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Should Teresa May Bring Back Remploy Factories?
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LostFool
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“You could set quotas for disabled employees or a fine if it is not reached. I think they would still rather pay the fine. Disabled are a hassle for an employer.”

Surely the "quota" would have to depend on the type of business and nature of the job. For a call centre it would be easy but a lot harder for a house builder.
allaorta
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“The UK as never had a quotas for disabled employees , other counties do”

I think there may have been such a system within the public employment sector though it may not have been compulsory.

Edit:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-1459409.html
Liete
03-08-2016
It is often the stigma of being long term unemployed and the lack of employment history that every job demands you have nowadays that is the problem for disabled people. It's even worse if you are over the age of 25 and ineligible for apprenticeships or minimum wage jobs as they have to pay you more.

Perhaps the government should offer grants to companies who take on the long term unemployed- many of whom are disabled? Could save a fortune in the long run and improve the lives of many who are stuck in the long term unemployment trap with no way of getting out of it.
FusionFury
03-08-2016
Originally Posted by Liete:
“It is often the stigma of being long term unemployed and the lack of employment history that every job demands you have nowadays that is the problem for disabled people.

Perhaps the government should offer grants to companies who take on the long term unemployed- many of whom are disabled? Could save a fortune in the long run and improve the lives of many who are stuck in the long term unemployment trap with no way of getting out of it.”

Volunteering helps the disabled people I know to build up a CV and get a sense of self-confidence and social feed in the community, but it still isn't enough to get a paid job.. which is sad as they have shown a willingness to work for FREE when they don't have to.. that is passion for their chosen profession right there, no? proof they would make a good employee..

I really think if the government make this issue a priority it would be a good thing, save money and change lives.

I hardly see it mentioned in PM question time for example!?
FusionFury
04-08-2016
Hope so
tim59
04-08-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Hope so”

Highly unlikely to happen, would cost to much money to start all over again
allaorta
04-08-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“Highly unlikely to happen, would cost to much money to start all over again”

It already exists as a private enterprise company, though the manufacturing facilities were closed by governments.
tim59
04-08-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“It already exists as a private enterprise company, though the manufacturing facilities were closed by governments.”

Yes its Maximus who have the contract to do the WCA for the DWP, lots of stories around since taking over Remploy. http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...ion-contracts/
razorboy
04-08-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“I guess you are talking about ESA, not DLA or PIP ?”

Actually the way PIP is set up the more independent and capable a disabled person becomes the less likely they are to achieve the requisite points.
Amaretto2
04-08-2016
This would require the government actually trying to help the disabled rather than threaten them endlessly and consign them to a lifetime of poverty, constant stress and uncertainty.
FusionFury
24-12-2016
As I said in the other thread, some people just ain't very good in an academic setting but could be untapped potential in a workplace.

If the government made it possible for more uneducated, disabled and working class people to get into work then the unemployment figures would improve dramatically in my opinion. I think this is a much better option than probably "higher education" at uni's etc which still have a place but I'd make the rich students and their families pay their way and invest that money in creating opportunities for the less academic people who want to work but need a pathway.
Annsyre
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“For all the criticism of Blair, this was his brain child.”

Not true.

Remploy was originally established under the terms of the Disabled Persons (Employment) Act 1944, to directly employ disabled persons in specialised factories. It opened its first factory in Bridgend, Wales, in 1946
muggins14
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I'm not sure about subsidising salary but grants are available to adapt workplaces to the needs of disabled employees.

I've worked with some incredibly talented "disabled" people over the years. If you have a desk job then does it really matter if you need to use a wheelchair to get around?”

It's all well and good the stories of people who have worked with disabled people and people talking about the paralympics, but those are people who are physically disabled - not every disabled person has a purely physical disability, some don't have a physical disability at all.

There are many disabled people with a limited learning ability as well as physical challenges. Employers are hardly queuing up to take on physically challenged employees, let alone adults with the mental age of an 8-year-old (for example).
Steve_Holmes
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“It's all well and good the stories of people who have worked with disabled people and people talking about the paralympics, but those are people who are physically disabled - not every disabled person has a purely physical disability, some don't have a physical disability at all.

There are many disabled people with a limited learning ability as well as physical challenges. Employers are hardly queuing up to take on physically challenged employees, let alone adults with the mental age of an 8-year-old (for example).”

I agree - which was why the extensive Remploy was such a good idea........even Blair could rightfully be commended for that!
Thiswillbefun
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“The suicide rate from disabled people due to the benefit and service cuts by Mr.Cameron, IDS and George Osbourne are truly heartbreaking..

It's inhuman.. the government need to do more, not make it even harder for disabled folk especially the ones who DO want to work !”

I truly believe the the government's actions should be investigated regarding this.

They were made fully aware of the consequences of their actions beforehand, but have continued despite the thousands of deaths they have caused and the hundreds of thousands who have suffered.

The government's actions have been deliberate and vulgar, and they need to be brought to book.
Maxatoria
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“More companies also need to understand that there is value to the organisation for having a diverse workforce. A company which represents their customers better understands them better. Some businesses have excellent records for disability employment and I am pleased to have worked for some of them but extra needs to be done to encourage more especially SMEs.

Here's a good example of a company (which gets a lot of bad press at times) doing things right: http://uk.gsk.com/en-gb/responsibili...roject-search/”

It does depend on the business, recruiting wheelchair bound people for reroofing or colour blind people for electrical work doesn't sound like a good idea shall we say.

As a former shop keeper it was impossible to be able to make our shop available to everyone, even a 50k wheelchair lift was impossible as it was a corner shop and the council would not give planning permission and never mind the vandalism it would of caused and cost us..

I remember when the original DDA was signed into law and some of the chancer's trying to get building work and other stuff done and quite a few shop keepers I knew decided to convert the shops back into houses as they were giving quotes of 200k plus to 'meet' the requirements.

We'd of needed about a 50ft ramp across a main road to allow wheelchair access and given it would never of been granted as wheelchair access has to be IIRC somewhere around 37 degrees at most.
darkjedimaster
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“This is the problem, many disabled people want to work.

The factories would be something, even though I agree getting them into mainstream should be the goal.

But unless the government can make employees employ more people with disabilities (subsidise part of their salary maybe?) it won't work.”

This exactly, I have an neurological disability and would love to return to work, yet have been turned down every time I have looked to return to work, this even includes sitting down jobs like answering the phone at courier centres / mini cab offices. I haven't worked since 2001 and I hate it, even employment advice specialists (Non DWP) have told me that if my condition was treatable by medication then I would have a better chance at getting employment, but sadly there is no medication to control my falls and blackouts.

Employers really need to take a different attitude towards those with life long conditions / disabilities, while I don't blame them for wanting someone reliable with a low sick rate, I do feel that more should be done to help people with disabilities back into employment.
anne_666
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Not true.

Remploy was originally established under the terms of the Disabled Persons (Employment) Act 1944, to directly employ disabled persons in specialised factories. It opened its first factory in Bridgend, Wales, in 1946”

Which, from 2007, Blair &Co. set about getting rid of because worker subsidies.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...factories-shut
Morlock
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Should we herd disabled people all together in a working environment isolated from the mainstream?

Or should we try to integrate them into the mainstream workforce?”

We should give them more and more hoops to jump through in order to claim benefits and then sanction those benefits when they cannot comply leaving them with no income and destitute.
Morlock
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“The suicide rate from disabled people due to the benefit and service cuts by Mr.Cameron, IDS and George Osbourne are truly heartbreaking.. ”

Absolutely disgusting, the Tories have blood on their hands.
Happ Hazzard
26-12-2016
What did Remploy factories actually make?
glasshalffull
26-12-2016
Almost certainly no

1) Why should disabled people be corralled away from the mainstream

2) Why give employers even more excuse to evade/avoid employing people with disabilities...the record of SOME sections of the private sector in this is appalling. Stronger legislation and/or better incentives would be a better option

3) There is an argument that the underlying subsidy to these factories is unfair competition to those companies making similar things competing in the same market place

4) I seriously doubt the ability of the sort of people who will be running them to have the entrepreneurial/visionary abilities to see gaps in the market/develop new/innovative products that would make them a genuine going concern...it was all well and good having them weaving baskets when people used baskets...now they use carrier bags and the only people can afford a very expensive Remploy basket would be the Margo Ledbetters of this world and film companies wanting them for episodes of Miss Marple. (there's poetic licence in this comment but some will get the point)
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