my two year old Lucy is weeing everywhere. twice on my bed in the last two days. today she has wee,d on several rugs. she has used the garden loads of times . she usually asks to go out. she can also use the veranda as the doors are open all day but she hasnt left any puddles there at all.. any ideas on this bed wetting please? i can cope with wet rugs but not my bed.
dog weeing in the house
Vet check for a UTI first and foremost.
However once a dog wees in the house if you are not cleaning it properly, they can start weeing in the same spots over and over, you need to wash and clean everything with biological washing powder.
How old is the dog, is she speyed?
However once a dog wees in the house if you are not cleaning it properly, they can start weeing in the same spots over and over, you need to wash and clean everything with biological washing powder.
How old is the dog, is she speyed?
First port of call for a dog that suddenly seems to loose it's housetraining is the vets. If she is peeing that much both in and out it could well be she has a UTI and needs something like Canine Cystaid to sort it out. If she has got a UTI the reason she pees anywhere is probably due to urgency and being literally unable to hold long enough to get outside, so get that ruled out first.
Being spayed can also make some bitches incontinent although it's generally only when their much much older so I doubt it's that, but still a possibility if she's been fixed.
Otherwise the main other cause of loss of housetraining is separation anxiety, is she alone a lot? Anxious? Clingy? Really over anxious when you get back? Dogs who suffer separation anxiety will often make a mess in the house from nerves and stress, and they will unfortunately choose the place that smells strongest of you, which is of course your bed, chairs and the carpets/rugs. There are ways of training a dog to overcome separation anxiety, but as yours seems to have come on so suddenly from nowhere, I'd look into a UTI first.
Whatever it is though, don't use bleach, soap and hot water or standard cleaners to mop your rugs and quilts with. You need a product specifically designed to deal with and break down the enzymes in the pee, to completely remove all traces so she isn't attracted back to the same spot again. Standard cleaners won't do this, they'll only mask/ get rid of the smell to your nose, not hers. Simple Solutions is probably the best one to go for, quite pricey but worth it as it does the job!
Being spayed can also make some bitches incontinent although it's generally only when their much much older so I doubt it's that, but still a possibility if she's been fixed.
Otherwise the main other cause of loss of housetraining is separation anxiety, is she alone a lot? Anxious? Clingy? Really over anxious when you get back? Dogs who suffer separation anxiety will often make a mess in the house from nerves and stress, and they will unfortunately choose the place that smells strongest of you, which is of course your bed, chairs and the carpets/rugs. There are ways of training a dog to overcome separation anxiety, but as yours seems to have come on so suddenly from nowhere, I'd look into a UTI first.
Whatever it is though, don't use bleach, soap and hot water or standard cleaners to mop your rugs and quilts with. You need a product specifically designed to deal with and break down the enzymes in the pee, to completely remove all traces so she isn't attracted back to the same spot again. Standard cleaners won't do this, they'll only mask/ get rid of the smell to your nose, not hers. Simple Solutions is probably the best one to go for, quite pricey but worth it as it does the job!
thanks colliewobbles. she isnt left alone a lot. when she is left i always make sure we are back after maximum 4 hours. but that is rare. so i think she needs a trip to the vet as you suggest, if she has something like cystitis, i know how she must feel.
Originally Posted by katywil:
“thanks colliewobbles. she isnt left alone a lot. when she is left i always make sure we are back after maximum 4 hours. but that is rare. so i think she needs a trip to the vet as you suggest, if she has something like cystitis, i know how she must feel.”
“thanks colliewobbles. she isnt left alone a lot. when she is left i always make sure we are back after maximum 4 hours. but that is rare. so i think she needs a trip to the vet as you suggest, if she has something like cystitis, i know how she must feel.”
No problem, hope you get it sorted
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Rub her nose in it.”
“Rub her nose in it.”
That won't work unless you actually catch the dog in action. Rubbing it's nose in a pool of pee will do nothing, as the chances are the dog did it ages before you found it and it won't associate your anger with the puddle on the floor. All it will teach it is to be afraid of its owner and wary of their return.
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“No problem, hope you get it sorted
That won't work unless you actually catch the dog in action. Rubbing it's nose in a pool of pee will do nothing, as the chances are the dog did it ages before you found it and it won't associate your anger with the puddle on the floor. All it will teach it is to be afraid of its owner and wary of their return.”
“No problem, hope you get it sorted
That won't work unless you actually catch the dog in action. Rubbing it's nose in a pool of pee will do nothing, as the chances are the dog did it ages before you found it and it won't associate your anger with the puddle on the floor. All it will teach it is to be afraid of its owner and wary of their return.”
Very sensible advice and 100% correct.
my lovely little girl has been good today. i covered the bed to make is un wee- able. i left a few rugs around. i made a big fuss of her when weeing outside. then we went out for 3 hours. all clean and dry when we got back. i think she might suffer from stress. she had been at the doggie groomers which she isnt keen on although she is well cared for there, it must be scarey for her. thanks for advice. its very much appreciated.
Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“No problem, hope you get it sorted
That won't work unless you actually catch the dog in action. Rubbing it's nose in a pool of pee will do nothing, as the chances are the dog did it ages before you found it and it won't associate your anger with the puddle on the floor. All it will teach it is to be afraid of its owner and wary of their return.”
“No problem, hope you get it sorted
That won't work unless you actually catch the dog in action. Rubbing it's nose in a pool of pee will do nothing, as the chances are the dog did it ages before you found it and it won't associate your anger with the puddle on the floor. All it will teach it is to be afraid of its owner and wary of their return.”
Ah right. It's how my dad house-trained our dog many years ago.
Seemed to work very well...
Originally Posted by katywil:
“my two year old Lucy is weeing everywhere. twice on my bed in the last two days. today she has wee,d on several rugs. she has used the garden loads of times . she usually asks to go out. she can also use the veranda as the doors are open all day but she hasnt left any puddles there at all.. any ideas on this bed wetting please? i can cope with wet rugs but not my bed.”
“my two year old Lucy is weeing everywhere. twice on my bed in the last two days. today she has wee,d on several rugs. she has used the garden loads of times . she usually asks to go out. she can also use the veranda as the doors are open all day but she hasnt left any puddles there at all.. any ideas on this bed wetting please? i can cope with wet rugs but not my bed.”
Poor training showing.
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Ah right. It's how my dad house-trained our dog many years ago.
Seemed to work very well...”
“Ah right. It's how my dad house-trained our dog many years ago.
Seemed to work very well...”
Well it will work, but dog training has advanced and improved a great deal over the years, and there are now much better methods used. It is widely acknowledged that you will get far better results from a happy, secure dog using kind and positive methods, than a unhappy scared one who is simply doing what the owner wants through fear of the reation if it doesn't. So yes, while rubbing a puppy's nose in it will work, it's hardly the basis for starting off on a good relationship of trust with a happy biddable dog who willingly obeys because it wants to please its owner, not one who obeys because it's afraid of displeasing them.
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“Ah right. It's how my dad house-trained our dog many years ago.
Seemed to work very well...”
“Ah right. It's how my dad house-trained our dog many years ago.
Seemed to work very well...”
I'm surprised it worked at all to be honest. There is so little education value in such a method.
Think through the dogs eyes, what is that teaching them?
Is it teaching them they should go outside? Not really.
Is it teaching them never to toilet in the house, or is it teaching them not to toilet in that spot in that room? (so the dog finds other inside places to go).
Is it simply teaching them not to do their business when mummy or daddy is watching? (so the dog learns simply to do it when not being watched, or sneak off to a bedroom or behind the sofa etc). Then you've created what's called an owner absent problem, it's taught the dog to save it up until they know you're not watching or have popped out, and now you're powerless to correct the behaviour because you can't catch it in the act any more.
The very best way I know of for toilet training is as follows :
1] Spend plenty of time outdoors with them, especially after a meal which is likely to stimulate the need to pee or poop within 30 mins max at a guess. Close the door so no-ones going back indoors until there's been some emptying outdoors. When they do their business outside, lots of verbal praise and offer a tasty treat. Not just once, but three times "good dog" treat "good dog" treat "good dog" treat. Really lay it on!
2] Put going to the toilet on cue. Remember girl and boy dogs can pee on demand to mark territory and leave their calling cards behind, so unlike us humans they can squeeze a wee out pretty much whenever. I use "go toilet" but some folk prefer something more subtle like "get busy". Just start saying your chosen word whilst he's doing his business outside (and of course praise and treat afterward). Now you can COMMUNICATE with him. Guide to the dog to where you want them to go, and simply ask him to "go toilet". "ahh so that's where you want me to go!". Now you can also have the dog empty their tanks before a trip to the vets or a car journey etc!
3] Teach the meaning of Inside and Outside verbal cues. So so easy, just stand in the doorway to the garden, say "Outside" and toss a treat a few feet across the threshold and repeat a dozen times. Then do a test and just say the words and see what happens. Then the same for Inside (which is darn useful to call your dog back in from the garden without wearing out his recall etc). Once it's clear those are understood, next time there is an accident indoors you can communicate "No! Outside! Outside! Outside!".
You can't teach anything after it's happened. You've got maybe 2 seconds at the very best for a dog to associate cause and effect. Indoor accidents that you didn't see are too late to do anything about so have to be ignored, it's not the dogs fault, they just weren't being supervised well enough. Watch them like a hawk and restrict their movements and access around the house whilst working on the problem.
Coming from the era when popular treatment was rub their noses in it, I'd suggest it didn't work it was catching them just before they needed to go and popping them outside, the odd accident they had their nose rubbed in just made them decide to do it where they wouldn't get caught next time.
It's quite cruel when you think how sensitive a dogs nose is to press it into urine, often not even fresh urine.
Thank goodness most of us have learned better now.
It's quite cruel when you think how sensitive a dogs nose is to press it into urine, often not even fresh urine.
Thank goodness most of us have learned better now.
Originally Posted by jaycee331:
“I'm surprised it worked at all to be honest. There is so little education value in such a method.
Think through the dogs eyes, what is that teaching them?
Is it teaching them they should go outside? Not really.
Is it teaching them never to toilet in the house, or is it teaching them not to toilet in that spot in that room? (so the dog finds other inside places to go).
Is it simply teaching them not to do their business when mummy or daddy is watching? (so the dog learns simply to do it when not being watched, or sneak off to a bedroom or behind the sofa etc). Then you've created what's called an owner absent problem, it's taught the dog to save it up until they know you're not watching or have popped out, and now you're powerless to correct the behaviour because you can't catch it in the act any more.
The very best way I know of for toilet training is as follows :
1] Spend plenty of time outdoors with them, especially after a meal which is likely to stimulate the need to pee or poop within 30 mins max at a guess. Close the door so no-ones going back indoors until there's been some emptying outdoors. When they do their business outside, lots of verbal praise and offer a tasty treat. Not just once, but three times "good dog" treat "good dog" treat "good dog" treat. Really lay it on!
2] Put going to the toilet on cue. Remember girl and boy dogs can pee on demand to mark territory and leave their calling cards behind, so unlike us humans they can squeeze a wee out pretty much whenever. I use "go toilet" but some folk prefer something more subtle like "get busy". Just start saying your chosen word whilst he's doing his business outside (and of course praise and treat afterward). Now you can COMMUNICATE with him. Guide to the dog to where you want them to go, and simply ask him to "go toilet". "ahh so that's where you want me to go!". Now you can also have the dog empty their tanks before a trip to the vets or a car journey etc!
3] Teach the meaning of Inside and Outside verbal cues. So so easy, just stand in the doorway to the garden, say "Outside" and toss a treat a few feet across the threshold and repeat a dozen times. Then do a test and just say the words and see what happens. Then the same for Inside (which is darn useful to call your dog back in from the garden without wearing out his recall etc). Once it's clear those are understood, next time there is an accident indoors you can communicate "No! Outside! Outside! Outside!".
You can't teach anything after it's happened. You've got maybe 2 seconds at the very best for a dog to associate cause and effect. Indoor accidents that you didn't see are too late to do anything about so have to be ignored, it's not the dogs fault, they just weren't being supervised well enough. Watch them like a hawk and restrict their movements and access around the house whilst working on the problem.”
“I'm surprised it worked at all to be honest. There is so little education value in such a method.
Think through the dogs eyes, what is that teaching them?
Is it teaching them they should go outside? Not really.
Is it teaching them never to toilet in the house, or is it teaching them not to toilet in that spot in that room? (so the dog finds other inside places to go).
Is it simply teaching them not to do their business when mummy or daddy is watching? (so the dog learns simply to do it when not being watched, or sneak off to a bedroom or behind the sofa etc). Then you've created what's called an owner absent problem, it's taught the dog to save it up until they know you're not watching or have popped out, and now you're powerless to correct the behaviour because you can't catch it in the act any more.
The very best way I know of for toilet training is as follows :
1] Spend plenty of time outdoors with them, especially after a meal which is likely to stimulate the need to pee or poop within 30 mins max at a guess. Close the door so no-ones going back indoors until there's been some emptying outdoors. When they do their business outside, lots of verbal praise and offer a tasty treat. Not just once, but three times "good dog" treat "good dog" treat "good dog" treat. Really lay it on!
2] Put going to the toilet on cue. Remember girl and boy dogs can pee on demand to mark territory and leave their calling cards behind, so unlike us humans they can squeeze a wee out pretty much whenever. I use "go toilet" but some folk prefer something more subtle like "get busy". Just start saying your chosen word whilst he's doing his business outside (and of course praise and treat afterward). Now you can COMMUNICATE with him. Guide to the dog to where you want them to go, and simply ask him to "go toilet". "ahh so that's where you want me to go!". Now you can also have the dog empty their tanks before a trip to the vets or a car journey etc!
3] Teach the meaning of Inside and Outside verbal cues. So so easy, just stand in the doorway to the garden, say "Outside" and toss a treat a few feet across the threshold and repeat a dozen times. Then do a test and just say the words and see what happens. Then the same for Inside (which is darn useful to call your dog back in from the garden without wearing out his recall etc). Once it's clear those are understood, next time there is an accident indoors you can communicate "No! Outside! Outside! Outside!".
You can't teach anything after it's happened. You've got maybe 2 seconds at the very best for a dog to associate cause and effect. Indoor accidents that you didn't see are too late to do anything about so have to be ignored, it's not the dogs fault, they just weren't being supervised well enough. Watch them like a hawk and restrict their movements and access around the house whilst working on the problem.”
Yeah that sounds excellent actually - sound advice!
As you said my Dad's method does sound old fashioned and unkind.
Our dog wasn't unhappy though or scared of us.... I hope.
In fact Dad did use a method similar to yours when teaching him where to poo.
We had an old pathway near us and there was a patch on it full of brambles and gorse. Dad encouraged our dog to go under there always to do his number 2s because it was far from anywhere a person might go, and totally inaccessible to anyone unless they wanted to be torn to shreds by briars.
Every time he went there to do his business Dad would give him a small piece of meat and lots of tummy tickles! He never ever fouled in the house.
Some excellent advice in this thread. I got a pup in mid December and took him outside after sleep, food, drink, play or every 30-45 minutes- waited until he'd done whatever and then praised and treated like a loon. Was a cold few months stood in the rain and snow but now he is 100% trustworthy and has been since he was 4 months old. He's had the odd accident, but that's been due to being left for a little too long and him not being able to hold it. If someone is in the house, he always asks to go out.
For a dog who is a crossbreed between 2 notoriously difficult to house train breeds he's been fab.
OP I hope there's nothing wrong with your dog, if the vets can't find anything I think it'll be a case of going back to basics with her.
For a dog who is a crossbreed between 2 notoriously difficult to house train breeds he's been fab.
OP I hope there's nothing wrong with your dog, if the vets can't find anything I think it'll be a case of going back to basics with her.
