Originally Posted by trevgo:
“I rest my case.”
“I rest my case.”
Hardly surprising, it must be getting unbearably heavy.
A few general questions for People who voted Brexit
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Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“Yes, you are a poor loser.”
“Yes, you are a poor loser.”
You obviously have no understanding of why barristers rest their case.
Along with no understanding of anything else.
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“You obviously have no understanding of why barristers rest their case.”
“You obviously have no understanding of why barristers rest their case.”
The problem is both sides do that.
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Hardly surprising, it must be getting unbearably heavy.”
“Hardly surprising, it must be getting unbearably heavy.”
If you're talking about the weight of negative economic data, it's going to get a lot heavier.
Originally Posted by WLB20:
“why dont you support the idea of a second referendum.”
“why dont you support the idea of a second referendum.”
There is literally no point. We just had one and the result has been decided
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“In a year's time, thousands of Leave voters will be crying out for the opportunity to change their minds.”
“In a year's time, thousands of Leave voters will be crying out for the opportunity to change their minds.”
lol @ this guy
Originally Posted by andykn:
“If you're talking about the weight of negative economic data, it's going to get a lot heavier.”
“If you're talking about the weight of negative economic data, it's going to get a lot heavier.”
Yep, whatever the case, you'll read "negative", it's what you do.
I voted for us to leave, but not for any of the reasons argued politically or economically. I voted for one reason, because a united Europe will never be allowed to work, and will fail no matter what attempts are made to force us all together:
http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre17hdan02.html
http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre17hdan02.html
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Yep, whatever the case, you'll read "negative", it's what you do.”
“Yep, whatever the case, you'll read "negative", it's what you do.”
No, not "whatever the case", just when it is negative, it just happens that there's a lot of negative data around at the moment.
I wonder why.
Originally Posted by Dannylfc4:
“Yeah... About the first point you made. Couldn't you use that for pretty much anything?!”
“Yeah... About the first point you made. Couldn't you use that for pretty much anything?!”
I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.
Originally Posted by johnny_t:
“I'll bite....
A) Another referendum, to confirm that people actually understood the first, is just a costly waste of time and money. We've had a vote and just need to get on with implementing it. A second referendum just plays into the slightly snobby belief that people voting to leave hadn't fully grasped the question.
B) As mentioned, Germany is thriving because it is running on an artificially low exchange rate, at the expense of many others. We can succeed as an exporter within the EU, but we can succeed more outside it
C) Nothing specific, but then again, I couldn't point to anything that has positively enhanced it either. It is, for me, largely neutral in benefit terms, so there is no point paying out for membership, whatever the figure may be. Having said that, I'm not in one of the low-paid jobs that have been kept low-paid by itinerant EU workers, so they may see it differently.
D) Nothing specific, but it is important that we have the final say on our laws, not Europe. Bear in mind that Europe is on a path to become more over-arching, not less, so even if there is nothing too ridiculous now, that doesn't mean there couldn't be in the future.
E) Emergency brake would be fine, but again it is important that we have the final say and cannot be over-ruled.
I don't subscribe to the idea that life one way would be a disaster, and the other will be fantastic. More a case that life outside the EU may be 10% better than life within, and what's not to like about that
”
“I'll bite....
A) Another referendum, to confirm that people actually understood the first, is just a costly waste of time and money. We've had a vote and just need to get on with implementing it. A second referendum just plays into the slightly snobby belief that people voting to leave hadn't fully grasped the question.
B) As mentioned, Germany is thriving because it is running on an artificially low exchange rate, at the expense of many others. We can succeed as an exporter within the EU, but we can succeed more outside it
C) Nothing specific, but then again, I couldn't point to anything that has positively enhanced it either. It is, for me, largely neutral in benefit terms, so there is no point paying out for membership, whatever the figure may be. Having said that, I'm not in one of the low-paid jobs that have been kept low-paid by itinerant EU workers, so they may see it differently.
D) Nothing specific, but it is important that we have the final say on our laws, not Europe. Bear in mind that Europe is on a path to become more over-arching, not less, so even if there is nothing too ridiculous now, that doesn't mean there couldn't be in the future.
E) Emergency brake would be fine, but again it is important that we have the final say and cannot be over-ruled.
I don't subscribe to the idea that life one way would be a disaster, and the other will be fantastic. More a case that life outside the EU may be 10% better than life within, and what's not to like about that
”
Pretty much agree with much of this.
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“Next question - what would have been the result of our remaining in the EU? I ask because although you might like to give the impression you live on a piece of neutral ground, I suspect you are one of those disaffected Remnants.”
“Next question - what would have been the result of our remaining in the EU? I ask because although you might like to give the impression you live on a piece of neutral ground, I suspect you are one of those disaffected Remnants.”
Im quite happy to admit i was a remain voter, but at the same time now we have voted out, i just wanted to undestand how people really feel about it, and what is most important to people in the upcoming negotiations, as there seems to be a lot claims both side of why each side voted etc.
It just that I have read a lot of threads on here where both sides make blanket statements ie No brexit voter knew the posible outcome, or every brexit voter voted for control on immigration above freedom of movement. I just think this is all clouding everything, and I honestly just wanted to undestand what people with a different view to me were thinking, and if the blanket statements that are being made both sides are true for a majority or not.
An example of this is the science thread, where a former scientist suggested that all his peers had voted remain, but he had looked in to it, and was on the brexit side. I just found myself intersted in understanding why he came to that conclusion, as who knows he may have found some good points, that we hadnt thought of and vice versa. But it just feels like if i had asked it would have been seen as arguementative because I was a remainer. If just feels like all conversation on here is about attack rather than listening to each others points.
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.”
“I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.”
Indeed, the petition that attracted millions of signatures was started by a Brexiter.
[quote=WLB20;83455845]Im quite happy to admit i was a remain voter, but at the same time now we have voted out, i just wanted to undestand how people really feel about it, and what is most important to people in the upcoming negotiations, as there seems to be a lot claims both side of why each side voted etc.
I feel great about it though I could slide into despondency if we get a crap deal.
It just that I have read a lot of threads on here where both sides make blanket statements ie No brexit voter knew the posible outcome, or every brexit voter voted for control on immigration above freedom of movement. I just think this is all clouding everything, and I honestly just wanted to undestand what people with a different view to me were thinking, and if the blanket statements that are being made both sides are true for a majority or not.
You're doing what you did in your OP, putting the onus onto those who voted leave to explain away their reasons. The reasons were various and plentiful but in a referendum or an election, there's no onus to have or give a reason for the way one votes; there will be many who voted to remain for no particular reason in exactly the same way as some of those who voted to leave. I was plenty old enough when we joined the EEC and I have wanted out for most of that time. Reasons.....despite what the Remnants will tell you, as a nation we have not progressed economically as a result of our membership, quite the opposite in fact, with enormous deficits and debt on a scale it would be difficult to compare with anything in recent hisory and paying billions a year for that "privelege".
For over 40 years we have been lied to by the EU and worse than that, by our very own politicians; you need only look at Cameron's recent gong giveaways and the fact that among them were people who donated to Theresa May for PM fund.
An example of this is the science thread, where a former scientist suggested that all his peers had voted remain, but he had looked in to it, and was on the brexit side. I just found myself intersted in understanding why he came to that conclusion, as who knows he may have found some good points, that we hadnt thought of and vice versa. But it just feels like if i had asked it would have been seen as arguementative because I was a remainer. If just feels like all conversation on here is about attack rather than listening to each others points.
The attack is largely coming from pride injured Remnants, most of whom are left-wing, and if you go back in this thread you'll find the post from Trevgo, who, as I keep giving reminders, voted for UKIP in the 2015 election.
I feel great about it though I could slide into despondency if we get a crap deal.
It just that I have read a lot of threads on here where both sides make blanket statements ie No brexit voter knew the posible outcome, or every brexit voter voted for control on immigration above freedom of movement. I just think this is all clouding everything, and I honestly just wanted to undestand what people with a different view to me were thinking, and if the blanket statements that are being made both sides are true for a majority or not.
You're doing what you did in your OP, putting the onus onto those who voted leave to explain away their reasons. The reasons were various and plentiful but in a referendum or an election, there's no onus to have or give a reason for the way one votes; there will be many who voted to remain for no particular reason in exactly the same way as some of those who voted to leave. I was plenty old enough when we joined the EEC and I have wanted out for most of that time. Reasons.....despite what the Remnants will tell you, as a nation we have not progressed economically as a result of our membership, quite the opposite in fact, with enormous deficits and debt on a scale it would be difficult to compare with anything in recent hisory and paying billions a year for that "privelege".
For over 40 years we have been lied to by the EU and worse than that, by our very own politicians; you need only look at Cameron's recent gong giveaways and the fact that among them were people who donated to Theresa May for PM fund.
An example of this is the science thread, where a former scientist suggested that all his peers had voted remain, but he had looked in to it, and was on the brexit side. I just found myself intersted in understanding why he came to that conclusion, as who knows he may have found some good points, that we hadnt thought of and vice versa. But it just feels like if i had asked it would have been seen as arguementative because I was a remainer. If just feels like all conversation on here is about attack rather than listening to each others points.
The attack is largely coming from pride injured Remnants, most of whom are left-wing, and if you go back in this thread you'll find the post from Trevgo, who, as I keep giving reminders, voted for UKIP in the 2015 election.
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.”
“I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.”
I would have have accepted the result and moved on. I certainly wouldn't have asked for another referendum.
A) The way of it with the EU is that if the result of a first referendum is not to its liking, another is encouraged to achieve the desired result. It's happened a few times. A second referendum in the UK would be doing the same thing. It would not be about "people not understanding the question the first time", but purely a blatant attempt to try and achieve the result they wanted to see the first time.
B) There's probably quite a lot out there on this, but I think one of the main things is the restriction placed on the UK in negotiating its own trade deals elsewhere in the world by being in the EU. The original idea of a trade deal between other European countries in a 'club' was sound, but fast forward and that has morphed into something else that restricts the UK shopping around for other good deals.
C) This is a rather subjective question. Personally, (scrapping of duty free throughout member states asides), the most adverse impact is actually unseen. It affects all of us and it is monetary. As a net contributor to Brussels, far more goes there than we get back. Not just that, but there's also the implementing and compliance of all the regulations and directives that come out of Brussels whether or not they even have any impact on the UK - and doing that is not free either.
D) Ahhh the bendy bananas. I love this one. It wasn't quite the myth it was tried to be played down as. But anyway, what strikes me about this one is that the EU actually has a Management Committee for Bananas. Partly funded by the UK of course. Do we need such a thing? No we don't. Not least because the UK isn't exactly a renowned producer of bananas. The banana one in question, is here if anybody wants to see an example of something bananas when it comes to the sort of regulation we need in the UK:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R2257:EN:HTML
But anyway, we have a perfectly good central gov dept called DEFRA that can deal with all that sort of stuff if need be.
But the bananas one in particular is the EU at its finest. In the UK, the likes of 'bendy' bananas are regulated in the following ways (before Brussels put its sprout in, that is):
i. The Grocer. The grocer will decide which produce it is willing to stock. Supermarkets in particular are very stringent and will have no hesitation in refusing to accept a delivery of whatever it is if it's not up to its expectations.
ii. The consumer. If the consumer doesn't like the look of whatever produce it is, it will not be purchased. End of.
iii. The Others. These are the little grocer stalls, or corner shops that sell odd looking produce. It's usually inexpensive and some people aren't bothered if a banana resembles a corkscrew. Yet, as with the Grocer & Consumer, they can stock/purchase what they want.
So, why do we need the services of a Management Committee for Bananas that sits somewhere in Brussels? We don't.
In fact, not a single thing comes out of Brussels that the UK is not capable of doing for itself. Yet we pay a rather hefty premium for being members of club EU.
E) My leave vote isn't for any of those. My vote is based on the direction the EU is going in - ie, before long, the EU parliament will be Sovereign and all current parliaments of EU member states will become nothing more than administrative centres doing the bidding of EU Central that is trying to do a one size fits all thing.
The June referendum was what was probably the last opportunity for the UK to get out of it, and I seized it along another 17 million people.
One day, the doubters will reflect, and even if they take it with them to the grave, will be glad that the UK left the EU.
B) There's probably quite a lot out there on this, but I think one of the main things is the restriction placed on the UK in negotiating its own trade deals elsewhere in the world by being in the EU. The original idea of a trade deal between other European countries in a 'club' was sound, but fast forward and that has morphed into something else that restricts the UK shopping around for other good deals.
C) This is a rather subjective question. Personally, (scrapping of duty free throughout member states asides), the most adverse impact is actually unseen. It affects all of us and it is monetary. As a net contributor to Brussels, far more goes there than we get back. Not just that, but there's also the implementing and compliance of all the regulations and directives that come out of Brussels whether or not they even have any impact on the UK - and doing that is not free either.
D) Ahhh the bendy bananas. I love this one. It wasn't quite the myth it was tried to be played down as. But anyway, what strikes me about this one is that the EU actually has a Management Committee for Bananas. Partly funded by the UK of course. Do we need such a thing? No we don't. Not least because the UK isn't exactly a renowned producer of bananas. The banana one in question, is here if anybody wants to see an example of something bananas when it comes to the sort of regulation we need in the UK:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R2257:EN:HTML
But anyway, we have a perfectly good central gov dept called DEFRA that can deal with all that sort of stuff if need be.
But the bananas one in particular is the EU at its finest. In the UK, the likes of 'bendy' bananas are regulated in the following ways (before Brussels put its sprout in, that is):
i. The Grocer. The grocer will decide which produce it is willing to stock. Supermarkets in particular are very stringent and will have no hesitation in refusing to accept a delivery of whatever it is if it's not up to its expectations.
ii. The consumer. If the consumer doesn't like the look of whatever produce it is, it will not be purchased. End of.
iii. The Others. These are the little grocer stalls, or corner shops that sell odd looking produce. It's usually inexpensive and some people aren't bothered if a banana resembles a corkscrew. Yet, as with the Grocer & Consumer, they can stock/purchase what they want.
So, why do we need the services of a Management Committee for Bananas that sits somewhere in Brussels? We don't.
In fact, not a single thing comes out of Brussels that the UK is not capable of doing for itself. Yet we pay a rather hefty premium for being members of club EU.
E) My leave vote isn't for any of those. My vote is based on the direction the EU is going in - ie, before long, the EU parliament will be Sovereign and all current parliaments of EU member states will become nothing more than administrative centres doing the bidding of EU Central that is trying to do a one size fits all thing.
The June referendum was what was probably the last opportunity for the UK to get out of it, and I seized it along another 17 million people.
One day, the doubters will reflect, and even if they take it with them to the grave, will be glad that the UK left the EU.
There was a question put to you by the Goverment, we got an answer, If you do not like it then go back to your Cungeon!
Originally Posted by Impinger:
“A) The way of it with the EU is that if the result of a first referendum is not to its liking, another is encouraged to achieve the desired result. It's happened a few times. A second referendum in the UK would be doing the same thing. It would not be about "people not understanding the question the first time", but purely a blatant attempt to try and achieve the result they wanted to see the first time.
B) There's probably quite a lot out there on this, but I think one of the main things is the restriction placed on the UK in negotiating its own trade deals elsewhere in the world by being in the EU. The original idea of a trade deal between other European countries in a 'club' was sound, but fast forward and that has morphed into something else that restricts the UK shopping around for other good deals.
C) This is a rather subjective question. Personally, (scrapping of duty free throughout member states asides), the most adverse impact is actually unseen. It affects all of us and it is monetary. As a net contributor to Brussels, far more goes there than we get back. Not just that, but there's also the implementing and compliance of all the regulations and directives that come out of Brussels whether or not they even have any impact on the UK - and doing that is not free either.
D) Ahhh the bendy bananas. I love this one. It wasn't quite the myth it was tried to be played down as. But anyway, what strikes me about this one is that the EU actually has a Management Committee for Bananas. Partly funded by the UK of course. Do we need such a thing? No we don't. Not least because the UK isn't exactly a renowned producer of bananas. The banana one in question, is here if anybody wants to see an example of something bananas when it comes to the sort of regulation we need in the UK:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R2257:EN:HTML
But anyway, we have a perfectly good central gov dept called DEFRA that can deal with all that sort of stuff if need be.
But the bananas one in particular is the EU at its finest. In the UK, the likes of 'bendy' bananas are regulated in the following ways (before Brussels put its sprout in, that is):
i. The Grocer. The grocer will decide which produce it is willing to stock. Supermarkets in particular are very stringent and will have no hesitation in refusing to accept a delivery of whatever it is if it's not up to its expectations.
ii. The consumer. If the consumer doesn't like the look of whatever produce it is, it will not be purchased. End of.
iii. The Others. These are the little grocer stalls, or corner shops that sell odd looking produce. It's usually inexpensive and some people aren't bothered if a banana resembles a corkscrew. Yet, as with the Grocer & Consumer, they can stock/purchase what they want.
So, why do we need the services of a Management Committee for Bananas that sits somewhere in Brussels? We don't.
In fact, not a single thing comes out of Brussels that the UK is not capable of doing for itself. Yet we pay a rather hefty premium for being members of club EU.
E) My leave vote isn't for any of those. My vote is based on the direction the EU is going in - ie, before long, the EU parliament will be Sovereign and all current parliaments of EU member states will become nothing more than administrative centres doing the bidding of EU Central that is trying to do a one size fits all thing.
The June referendum was what was probably the last opportunity for the UK to get out of it, and I seized it along another 17 million people.
One day, the doubters will reflect, and even if they take it with them to the grave, will be glad that the UK left the EU.”
“A) The way of it with the EU is that if the result of a first referendum is not to its liking, another is encouraged to achieve the desired result. It's happened a few times. A second referendum in the UK would be doing the same thing. It would not be about "people not understanding the question the first time", but purely a blatant attempt to try and achieve the result they wanted to see the first time.
B) There's probably quite a lot out there on this, but I think one of the main things is the restriction placed on the UK in negotiating its own trade deals elsewhere in the world by being in the EU. The original idea of a trade deal between other European countries in a 'club' was sound, but fast forward and that has morphed into something else that restricts the UK shopping around for other good deals.
C) This is a rather subjective question. Personally, (scrapping of duty free throughout member states asides), the most adverse impact is actually unseen. It affects all of us and it is monetary. As a net contributor to Brussels, far more goes there than we get back. Not just that, but there's also the implementing and compliance of all the regulations and directives that come out of Brussels whether or not they even have any impact on the UK - and doing that is not free either.
D) Ahhh the bendy bananas. I love this one. It wasn't quite the myth it was tried to be played down as. But anyway, what strikes me about this one is that the EU actually has a Management Committee for Bananas. Partly funded by the UK of course. Do we need such a thing? No we don't. Not least because the UK isn't exactly a renowned producer of bananas. The banana one in question, is here if anybody wants to see an example of something bananas when it comes to the sort of regulation we need in the UK:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...4R2257:EN:HTML
But anyway, we have a perfectly good central gov dept called DEFRA that can deal with all that sort of stuff if need be.
But the bananas one in particular is the EU at its finest. In the UK, the likes of 'bendy' bananas are regulated in the following ways (before Brussels put its sprout in, that is):
i. The Grocer. The grocer will decide which produce it is willing to stock. Supermarkets in particular are very stringent and will have no hesitation in refusing to accept a delivery of whatever it is if it's not up to its expectations.
ii. The consumer. If the consumer doesn't like the look of whatever produce it is, it will not be purchased. End of.
iii. The Others. These are the little grocer stalls, or corner shops that sell odd looking produce. It's usually inexpensive and some people aren't bothered if a banana resembles a corkscrew. Yet, as with the Grocer & Consumer, they can stock/purchase what they want.
So, why do we need the services of a Management Committee for Bananas that sits somewhere in Brussels? We don't.
In fact, not a single thing comes out of Brussels that the UK is not capable of doing for itself. Yet we pay a rather hefty premium for being members of club EU.
E) My leave vote isn't for any of those. My vote is based on the direction the EU is going in - ie, before long, the EU parliament will be Sovereign and all current parliaments of EU member states will become nothing more than administrative centres doing the bidding of EU Central that is trying to do a one size fits all thing.
The June referendum was what was probably the last opportunity for the UK to get out of it, and I seized it along another 17 million people.
One day, the doubters will reflect, and even if they take it with them to the grave, will be glad that the UK left the EU.”
What an excellent post. It makes the point about why the banana thing, widely treated as a joke, was a symptom of an underlying malaise. Extrapolate from the banana regulations to the whole of the EU's rule making, and there's why leavers don't like, want or need it.
Originally Posted by WLB20:
“A) If this is the case, then why dont you support the idea of a second referendum.”
“A) If this is the case, then why dont you support the idea of a second referendum.”
You claim your post is not an attack, yet what you propose would undermine the principle of democracy.
People could very easily claim that when they voted in a General Election, they had no idea what Labour or the Tories (or the traitorous Lib-Dems) would do, and because of that demand another vote. Then the cycle would be never ending. Our whole system works on respecting the outcome of a national vote, even when we don't like it. I've done that for decades.
The majority of the electorate chose Brexit. There are good things, and great opportunity ahead, and there are a few rocks in the stream, also. But at the heart of it all is getting back control over our own country - via people we actually voted for - and our own borders.
The problem many Remain voters have is that the way of thinking you subscribe to has been dominant for 40+ years. Now it's not your hands on the wheel, you are scared and would rather go back to being told what to do what to think and how to live. The rest of us believe in the UK, and can't wait to go forward, into the future we make for ourselves. Join us.
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“The reason some think agency and temp workers having the same rights as permanent staff disadvantages the UK is because in the UK permanent staff have more rights and benefits than in other EU nations.”
“The reason some think agency and temp workers having the same rights as permanent staff disadvantages the UK is because in the UK permanent staff have more rights and benefits than in other EU nations.”
I think not: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6881456.html.
A lot of EU countries get a lot more public holidays as well.
And have any other EU countries got a derogation from the working hours directive?
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“In a year's time, thousands of Leave voters will be crying out for the opportunity to change their minds.”
“In a year's time, thousands of Leave voters will be crying out for the opportunity to change their minds.”
I think that a lot of people will come to rue their Brexit vote, too, but I'm not sure it will be as soon as a year.
Imo, it will happen when the terms are negotiated and we still have freedom of movement. For now, I think Brexiteers are comfortable with the idea that we'll have some economic difficulties because we'll be able to "control our borders", and they regard that as a fair exchange. When the government signs up for Norway-style deal, I think of a lot of people will be very hacked off.
The next bout of regret will come when some right-wing government makes workers' rights even worse than they are now, under the guise of deregulation and "making business more competitive".
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“I think that a lot of people will come to rue their Brexit vote, too, but I'm not sure it will be as soon as a year.
Imo, it will happen when the terms are negotiated and we still have freedom of movement. For now, I think Brexiteers are comfortable with the idea that we'll have some economic difficulties because we'll be able to "control our borders", and they regard that as a fair exchange. When the government signs up for Norway-style deal, I think of a lot of people will be very hacked off.
The next bout of regret will come when some right-wing government makes workers' rights even worse than they are now, under the guise of deregulation and "making business more competitive".”
“I think that a lot of people will come to rue their Brexit vote, too, but I'm not sure it will be as soon as a year.
Imo, it will happen when the terms are negotiated and we still have freedom of movement. For now, I think Brexiteers are comfortable with the idea that we'll have some economic difficulties because we'll be able to "control our borders", and they regard that as a fair exchange. When the government signs up for Norway-style deal, I think of a lot of people will be very hacked off.
The next bout of regret will come when some right-wing government makes workers' rights even worse than they are now, under the guise of deregulation and "making business more competitive".”
oh for goodness sake. The vote was to leave the EU. Assuming you live in the UK and have no designs on moving elsewhere, then it really is time for you, and all like you, to realise that actually, this doom and gloom attitude you have is in nobody's interests. It's as if people like you actually want to see the UK sink beneath the waves just so you can come on a message board and say "told ya so".
You really do have the option of not living here anymore if you choose to move to somewhere else. Although you could always just stay and harp on about it. But really. You do have options open to you if you really believe the shit that you've just posted is what is going to happen.
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“I think that a lot of people will come to rue their Brexit vote, too, but I'm not sure it will be as soon as a year.
Imo, it will happen when the terms are negotiated and we still have freedom of movement. For now, I think Brexiteers are comfortable with the idea that we'll have some economic difficulties because we'll be able to "control our borders", and they regard that as a fair exchange. When the government signs up for Norway-style deal, I think of a lot of people will be very hacked off.
The next bout of regret will come when some right-wing government makes workers' rights even worse than they are now, under the guise of deregulation and "making business more competitive".”
“I think that a lot of people will come to rue their Brexit vote, too, but I'm not sure it will be as soon as a year.
Imo, it will happen when the terms are negotiated and we still have freedom of movement. For now, I think Brexiteers are comfortable with the idea that we'll have some economic difficulties because we'll be able to "control our borders", and they regard that as a fair exchange. When the government signs up for Norway-style deal, I think of a lot of people will be very hacked off.
The next bout of regret will come when some right-wing government makes workers' rights even worse than they are now, under the guise of deregulation and "making business more competitive".”
Lifes full of regrets, don't need to unduly seek them, make them up, or wish for them. Time to move on and make the best of what comes. Why not try it at least, but keep moaning if it gives you pleasure.
Originally Posted by plankwalker:
“Lifes full of regrets, don't need to unduly seek them, make them up, or wish for them. Time to move on and make the best of what comes. Why not try it at least, but keep moaning if it gives you pleasure.”
“Lifes full of regrets, don't need to unduly seek them, make them up, or wish for them. Time to move on and make the best of what comes. Why not try it at least, but keep moaning if it gives you pleasure.”
Not moaning at all, just speculating. Brexit is a leap in the dark, and I suspect when the terms of the exit are agreed, a lot people who wanted to leave won't be happy with them.
Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“Not moaning at all, just speculating. Brexit is a leap in the dark, and I suspect when the terms of the exit are agreed, a lot people who wanted to leave won't be happy with them.”
“Not moaning at all, just speculating. Brexit is a leap in the dark, and I suspect when the terms of the exit are agreed, a lot people who wanted to leave won't be happy with them.”
Seems there were too many leapers for you. Have faith the powers that be are amazingly resilient and will craft things round to where they want things to be. It’s just a reshuffle of the same old cards, but perhaps we'll get a hand to play with that makes more sense than staying in a controlling and failing EU.
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