A few general questions for People who voted Brexit

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WLB20

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by nathanbrazil:
“You claim your post is not an attack, yet what you propose would undermine the principle of democracy.

People could very easily claim that when they voted in a General Election, they had no idea what Labour or the Tories (or the traitorous Lib-Dems) would do, and because of that demand another vote. Then the cycle would be never ending. Our whole system works on respecting the outcome of a national vote, even when we don't like it. I've done that for decades.

The majority of the electorate chose Brexit. There are good things, and great opportunity ahead, and there are a few rocks in the stream, also. But at the heart of it all is getting back control over our own country - via people we actually voted for - and our own borders.

The problem many Remain voters have is that the way of thinking you subscribe to has been dominant for 40+ years. Now it's not your hands on the wheel, you are scared and would rather go back to being told what to do what to think and how to live. The rest of us believe in the UK, and can't wait to go forward, into the future we make for ourselves. Join us.”

Your making a lot of assumptions in this post about what you think my post was about. As your see, I havent made any comment or judgement on any ones reasons for voting exit in this thread, as everyone will have different reasons, and will be justified. To some extent their isnt a right or wrong answer, just different views.

I believe your last point in your post is exactly the problem why posts get in to arguements "..the problem many Remain have.." Again your turning it to a them and us that divides this country, its not, this is just about understanding different views. You are doing exactly what you think im trying to do, by judging my reasons without knowing them, and dividing people in to them and us.

I did vote remain, but if im honest im not sure that a second referendum would be a good idea, as it does frighten me that we would have a weak hand going forward in negotiations and good will if we returned to Europe, and i think it would be a dangerous path to keep on having a referendum until we get a reult that politicians want.

However, I do have some work colleagues that voted leave, that feel lied to from the brexit campaign. As i said a few colleagues are a very small sample, so could be an anomaly, or actually could be a lot of peole that feel the same, if so that is not democratic.

So im unsure, but more towards being against the second referendum.

In regards to the General election point, each side have a manifesto that states what they stand for. And usually when a party go against it, they get punished at the next election (ie Liberal Democrats), in this there was just wild claims (on both sides ie £350m for NHS vs Punishment budget).

As I said I am honestly interested in what people thinking, and just to understand what made people vote for Brexit and get other peoples views on a couple of things, that generally a few people make blanket statementd about, believing everyone voted the same way, voted for the same reasons.

B-29

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“I would be fascinated to know how leavers would react had the vote been the other way. Man this forum would have melted under the strain of the call for another referendum.”

As with most things , you are totally wrong , I would of called you all a bunch of morons a d got on with life, WHY CAN'T YOU ?

andykn

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by B-29:
“As with most things , you are totally wrong , I would of called you all a bunch of morons a d got on with life, WHY CAN'T YOU ?”

Because that life is looking increasingly poorer and it's entirely avoidable.

We've voted to shoot our own foot but haven't done it yet.

SULLA

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by WLB20:
“Dont want this thread to turn in to a slanging match, but i just had a few questions for people who voted brexit, that I would like to understand their opinion on.

We keep on hearing from a lot of people that voted Brexit, that they are fed up with remainers calling for a second referendum, that the people decided on Brexit, and Brexit is Brexit, and that all people who voted Brexit knew the short term damage it could cause, but were happy to see this, for the greater good.

A) If this is the case, then why dont you support the idea of a second referendum. If people truely knew the potential short term outcomes, then surely they would still vote for brexit, and brexit supporters would be able to say once and for all to the remainders, see people voted again after they had seen a short term outcome, and still voted

There is a lot of talk about remain that the EU has shackled our manufacturing, and outside of the EU we could increase our exports to the wider world, the EU is holding us back.”

It would be a waste of money. Would some then want a best of three ? Would you be asking for one if you had won ?

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“B) considering Germany is iirc the third largest exporter in the world, and exports far more to countries like China and Brazil than we do, how do the laws stop our manufacturing from exporting worldwide, but not Germanys?”

It doesn't

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“C) What ares do you believe the EU has adversely changed our way of life, and how we do things?”

They take shed loads of our money and all too much immigration

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“D) of people mention about EU laws that just go to far (eg the so called straight banana) what EU laws / directoves have you seen that you see as stupid.

There is a lot of talk that the government and the peoples red line is immigration, not financial passporting. Approx 52% voted brexit, if only a small percentage voted brexit who dont have a problem with free movement, then a majority does not see free movement as there highest priority.”

The EU is undemocratic

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“E) if you voted Brexit is financal passporting (which we are told our economy depends on) more important or reducing the freedom movement. If freedom of movement is your red line, do you wnst it completely abolished, or would you be happy with the emergency break suggestion.

Again, this is not meant as an attack, im just generally interested in peoples own views on these, as these are generally the can never understand pro Brexit people on.

Thanks”

I voted Brexit for independence

cobis

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by WLB20:
“A) If this is the case, then why dont you support the idea of a second referendum.”

Just to answer your first question:

Why on earth should a huge amount of money be spent on re running a perfectly valid referendum to appease the minority? Assuming that Theresa May wouldn’t be so foolhardy as to spend nearly £10 million of tax payers money sending out leaflets of doom in support of remain, Cameron got away with that disgraceful action far too neatly for my liking, even so the total cost of simply running the referendum, counting officers, mailings, and the central count was estimated at £142.m by the cabinet office, now how many nurses would that fund?? and for what? to get the same result? because I know more remainers who would now vote leave than leavers who have changed their mind and want to remain.......

andykn

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by plankwalker:
“Seems there were too many leapers for you. Have faith the powers that be are amazingly resilient and will craft things round to where they want things to be. It’s just a reshuffle of the same old cards, but perhaps we'll get a hand to play with that makes more sense than staying in a controlling and failing EU.”

The powers that be told us we'd be better off inside the EU, they would have crafted things to where they wanted things to be. You can't just say "we're going to ignore your advice and expect you to do it anyway".

david16

07-08-2016

People who say that the EEC that we joined in 1973 really was the EU in all but name, and that the current EU and the way it is was the intention of the then EEC all along when it first formed are talking complete nonsense.

david16

07-08-2016

Originally Posted by andykn:
“The powers that be told us we'd be better off inside the EU, they would have crafted things to where they wanted things to be. You can't just say "we're going to ignore your advice and expect you to do it anyway".”

And indeed we would be better off if we remained in the EU.

Those brexiters mocking remainers on here for forecasting the most disastrous economic results in the whole of Europe (countries in the EU or otherwise) post Brexit (after all the economic experts have forecasted it) are more guilty of denial by predicting the complete opposite against all economic experts forecast.

The economic downturn in the uk is already evident.

allaorta

07-08-2016

Originally Posted by david16:
“People who say that the EEC that we joined in 1973 really was the EU in all but name, and that the current EU and the way it is was the intention of the then EEC all along when it first formed are talking complete nonsense.”

Originally Posted by david16:
“And indeed we would be better off if we remained in the EU.

Those brexiters mocking remainers on here for forecasting the most disastrous economic results in the whole of Europe (countries in the EU or otherwise) post Brexit (after all the economic experts have forecasted it) are more guilty of denial by predicting the complete opposite against all economic experts forecast.

The economic downturn in the uk is already evident.”

Here, borrow my glasses. o-o

Granny McSmith

07-08-2016

Were you there?

Nick1966

07-08-2016

Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“Immigration and free movement are not the reasons I voted Brexit.”

What were the reasons you voted Brexit ?

Originally Posted by Andrew1954:
“The only way to better manage this situation is to retrieve our elected governments' authority over inward migration.”

Are you now saying that Brexit will allow 'our elected governments' authority over inward migration' ?

So what were the reasons you voted Brexit ?

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