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I think Bear has a mental illness.
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digiqueen
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey:
“I think Lewis, Marnie, and Chloe all display the typical narcissistic traits found in reality tv 'stars' who get ahead in the game - self-absorbed, never my fault, lack of self-awareness. The only intelligence narcissists display, imo, is that of manipulation, because they'll navigate life in a way that will always be of benefit to themselves. But, Bear is way out there with these traits by a thousand kilometres and a fully fledged malignant narcissist, imo. He lacks incredible empathy and ADORES being at the centre of all dramas BECAUSE it places him at the centre of it all.

You could see the clear enjoyment he got from hurting Heavy D (who at the time was supposed to be his mate and in his group) and just couldn't help himself by strutting over to his bed and placing his foot on the frame - a typical territorial move that enraged Heavy D, understandably. He enjoyed sticking the knife into Renee's back. Also, he is using Chloe in this emotional chess game to gain higher ground. But, she's to dumb to see. Another thing with these kind of narcissists, they will not think twice in throwing a mate or a family member under the bus as long as they gain the higher ground, i.e. Lewis? He enjoys degrading women or keeping them down a peg or two so he can feel superior - although he clearly shits himself around Renee

One of the driving forces of these kinds of personalities is, other than the need to feel they are way better than EVERYBODY on planet earth, is their emotional reaction to being hurt even when they are usually the one in the wrong. They won't go away and re-evaluate their behavior, talk it through, find a compromise, etc like a well-adjusted adult. Their modus Operandi is revenge and to get that revenge quickly and Bear has shown this throughout. When he hurts people, he gives an insincere apology and basically tells those he's hurt to get over it. But when he gets hurt at the slightest of things - he's plannning his attack from the get-go. He is like the eternal rain cloud of negative doom and pulsates with internal poisons of which he projects it all back out on to other people because he is a deeply inadequate emotional individual. Yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone either if all I saw was my ugly, narcisissistic, conniving self in others, which he's unable to see. He thinks it's their traits and they have to prove him otherwise - but he will manipulate a situation to prove he is right. All the time.

His reaction to being nominated week-in, week-out was of absolute shock and disgust and lacked such severe self-awareness he could neither comprehend where it all came from or get a hold on his emotional melt-down and tried to hide it with a pathetic display of overt masculine strutting and gobbing off, which actually made him look worse. When he said to Frankie for everybody who voted him out that they should just ignore him - I can only hope half the house would keep him at his word. Because I guarantee you, a narcissist like him, that would be the last thing he wants. To be ignored is a fate worse than death - They would just dry up and die. He will go out of his way to cause malignant drama as usual because in his ****ed up emotional world, that keeps him relevant. He cares for nobody's feelings but his own.

And you can NEVER cure a narcisissist. EVER. There is nothing wrong with them. It is all of us who are ****ed in the head and if our feelings get hurt dealing with them? Tough. You don't matter and as long as you understand that and realise you exist for their emotional abuse, life is dandy. Like the saying goes; Neurotics make their own lives a misery. Narcissists just make everybody else miserable. He may be on our screens for a potential 3 more weeks, but I feel very sorry for everybody who will have the deep misfortune of being in his life from here-on-in, because these people get worse as they get older.

One of the worst housemates ever, imo. Just because he acts like an overgrown, spiteful baby having a tantrum and we're talking about it, does not make him entertaining. He is drowning out everybody else's capacity to be shown or heard and we are left to judge their behaviour in reaction to his own.

The boy seriously needs to wean himself off his mother's tit and get himself on solids because when full grown men act like this it really pisses me off to the point of anger. And I hate it that we live in a society that rewards behaviour like this. It really is the dreggs of entertainment, tbh.

”

Great post. Covered everything and eloquently put.
HonestLee
06-08-2016
He is Frank Spencer haunted by the ghost of Eric Bristow
heresitting
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hamish Mancini:
“Spot on. I totally agree his overbearing nature is stifling the other housemates.

I'd also add that if it was a mental illness then he wouldn't be able to turn it on and off at the flick of a switch. If he had honestly lost control in the diary room after the row with Heavy, then he would have continued to rage after clapping eyes on the security guard, not immediately back down because of the instant realisation that he was out-manned and out-gunned by a calm man just because he was twice his size. If it had been a little bloke on the other side I don't doubt that he'd have rolled on for a bit longer.

He is an arrogant, immature bully who thrives on belittling others. Nothing more, nothing less. Given his career choice, it is a behaviour that has served him well. In the real working world, he'd be forced to adjust his behavour or be unemployed. ”

Exactly! He knows exactly what he's doing.
Rogana Josh
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jp761:
“I understand your sentiment. But people joke about all kinds of thing's. Personally it doesn't bother me that much. As long as people, aren't being malicious. I don't think those posters were being.”

I was not being malicious, thank you and I am certainly one person who would not joke about mental illness - very sorry if I offended anyone, I'll refrain from posting from now on .
jp761
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rogana Josh:
“I was not being malicious, thank you and I am certainly one person who would not joke about mental illness - very sorry if I offended anyone, I'll refrain from posting from now on .”

? I said I didn't think you were.
Rogana Josh
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jp761:
“? I said I didn't think you were.”

I know I didn't mean you if you read back to what you were referring to , thanks again.
jp761
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rogana Josh:
“I know I didn't mean you if you read back to what you were referring to , thanks again.”

Ok. I see.
too_much_coffee
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by kezabella:
“I agree with this. People are quick to pu labels on things but it could just be bad parenting and a dysfunctional upbringing.”

It would need to be bad parenting to the extreme going to turn a person into what we see now.

It appears that his brother has been a highly successful property developer. He, in contrast, makes his living out of being a knob for hire (in both senses of the word).

Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey:
“Yes, Lewis falls into this category actually. If memory serves me correctly, I'm sure in the narcissistic field it's a divide and conquer technique called Triangulation? You see it with a narc parent that will favour one child and degrade the other child and create lies around the unloved child and divide the siblings all the while looking like butter wouldn't melt. Or a boyfriend/girlfriend who cuts off their partners emotional network and family and demeans them to the point of worthlessness but all they have left in the world is their abuser to rely on. It's a dreadful form of emotional abuse, though that's the worst case situations.

I'm no psychologist, I probably wouldn't class Bear or Lewis or the young lot in there with any 'traditonal mental illness', more of an emotionally maladjusted mentality that has been given a platform of encouragement within our narcissistic times. I do have plenty of years experience with narcissism and have only just figured out in the last couple of years almost every screwed up game they play because I come from a family of them and have been the focus of their twisted and ****ed up puppet shows - You're generally left with questioning what the hell is reality, due to their wizardry at manipulation and gaslighting your emotions to the point you don't understand yourself until you understand them. But, now I've woken up, thank god, but it took me till I hit 40. Many poor sods from these environments never do because they've lost sight of who they are as a person - the narcissist has engulfed and smothered and owns every feeling they own. Sounds all very melodramatic, but if you research narcissists and gaslighting in particular, you'll get a pretty good idea of the machinations of a narc mind. It is all very interesting.

That said, and this is only my silly little opinion, but I'd say out of the two, Lewis is the 'successful' narcissist who uses the typical social mask of a narc, that of overt charm (or smarm, if you're that switched on to his bullshitting techniques ). His mask has not yet dropped and I'm not sure it will on this show. He could probably ascend social situations effortlessly that will benefit him. I think because of that ability, his aggression and negative side does find a useful outlet, so he could be less of a problem within his environment, but as long as he's pulling strings behind it.

Bear's mask of charm kind of shows up, then leaves, then shows up again - but, many of us have had a glimpse of his internal ugliness in all it's glory. He is carrying much more negativity than Lewis and does not know how to articulate himself well, resulting in nasty aggression and clearly placing the blame on others when he is at fault. He has to demean and belittle others in order to pitch up his self-esteem and right his screwy moral compass. I can imagine him being the bullying, controlling boyfriend actually, as metioned above, who cuts off his girlfriend's emotional contact with others (he doesn't want others who have sussed him out influencing her) so he has absolute control of his posession. He's the kind of guy you find in many family trees who **** up big time and it has a knock on effect emotionally, three or four generations later. I bet he's the product of the same emotional structure within his own family set-up, tbh.

I do agree he has probably had a very hard and difficult life and does not know any different and the fact this narcissistic reality tv culture came around during his life has only magnified his awful behaviour. And that is where my sympathy for him ends. I believe fame only magnifies what you already have; if you're nice and personable, it will show. If you're arrogant and self-absorbed, it will show ten-fold.

But, there are many of us who come from a hard grind background and dysfunctional family and life has served us shit sandwiches instead of champagne and strawberries. We don't take any enjoyment whatsoever in hurting the feelings of friends or family or animals (because we know what it feels like to recieve it, empathy can be heightened), and will crap over anybody in order to take credit where it is not due/blame others when you are the one at fault, as well as throw our toys out of the pram because the attention is not on us. No, those that do that are the complete, dysfunctional freaks from such environments and unfortunately, they are being put on a pedestal within the reality tv culture.

I just hope by the time Renee is done, she smacks that gormless, slack mouthed gob of his into shape. She has had a life time of complicated, screwed up men, and is not intimidated by him one jot. Because he knows this, and fears being 'exposed' of his failures to the group (unaware most people have him pegged already) he will try some deflecting technique, where he can get her to look very, very bad, or influence the group to not trust her. He's not that smart, so I'm hoping he will make a monumental stuff up, that he is going to meet his match and more, when he gets on the wrong side of Mrs Mafia I still don't have a favourite yet because his behaviour is over shadowing everybody else but I love it when she takes him down a few hundred pegs! I hope he screws up so badly he is kicked out the back door because he does not deserve going out the front door at all.”

Great post
Richardcoulter
28-08-2016
After seeing him on the Channel 5 programme 'The Saturday Show' yesterday, it wouldn't surprise me if he does have a mental health problem or disability.

His big headed behaviour doesn't sound as if he's being ironic and he can't seem to help interrupting and doing spontaneous things.

For example, when it was Ricky Norwoods turn to be interviewed, Bear out of nowhere, suddenly offered the interviewer some plastic fruit from a bowl on the table!

He also casually said that he likes to cross dress and in the house he said that he likes anal stimulation- he appears to have no inhibitions or boundaries.
doormouse
28-08-2016
Didn't want to click and repeat your post PotNoodleMonkey, but excellent analysis.
sorcha_healy27
28-08-2016
How about he's just a despicable horrible person?

It's rather insulting to anyone who does suffer from mental health issues to be likened to that bellend
Aimee
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by Miss.D:
“I agree with you!

And you should do a thread with your psychological evaluations, be the forum Judy James ”

I'd like to see that too Helen Plllleeease!
al_capo
28-08-2016
I think you're just pissed off that he won. He is a cocky ******** who played the game well and won, end of. Move on.
MargMck
28-08-2016
It's not mental illness. Any of us could have a bout of that and hopefully with treatment see it gone or controlled so that future bouts might be headed off. What he has is something else altogether - a lifelong condition firmly ingrained and untreatable.
sorcha_healy27
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“I think you're just pissed off that he won. He is a cocky ******** who played the game well and won, end of. Move on.”

Not really. I think it's funny that he won yet he's universally despised.
Rhumbatugger
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“It's not mental illness. Any of us could have a bout of that and hopefully with treatment see it gone or controlled so that future bouts might be headed off. What he has is something else altogether - a lifelong condition firmly ingrained and untreatable.”

I agree with this.

And under such circumstances labelling it tends to function as explanation or excuse, both are which are practically, ultimately useless.

The chap's a nasty knobber, and will remain so, and will be disliked and avoided because he makes everyone miserable.
Arcana
28-08-2016
Is he a bipolar bear? 🐻
Rogana Josh
28-08-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“How about he's just a despicable horrible person?

It's rather insulting to anyone who does suffer from mental health issues to be likened to that bellend”

TBH , Sorcha not one of us are qualified to say he has a mental illness, not unless we are all qualified psychiatrists, but what he appears to have is just a plain nasty and unpleasant disposition, which thrives on making people feel uncomfortable around him.
Richardcoulter
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rogana Josh:
“TBH , Sorcha not one of us are qualified to say he has a mental illness, not unless we are all qualified psychiatrists, but what he appears to have is just a plain nasty and unpleasant disposition, which thrives on making people feel uncomfortable around him.”

I agree with this. He may be a horrible person or he may have a mental health problem/disability.

I doubt that anybody here is qualified to diagnose this from afar.

Whilst this is not classified as a mental illness, i've just posted in a thread about his childishness that may be down to a condition known as infantilism.

Originally Posted by pete137:
“Why did he often stop speaking "normally" and revert to this wierd toddler like voice including the mannerisms of a child........speaking very slowly and huffing and sighing like a child having a tantrum. He's a grown man.

Or is he just thick.”

He might actually be an 'Adult Baby' (ABDL). These people sometimes regress back to various ages when they were children. From what I can tell, this is mainly used for comfort or as a coping mechanism:

http://understanding.infantilism.org
yogacats
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Helen90:
“Antisocial Personality Disorder would be my guess.”

Sociopathy?

Please tell us more!!!!
yogacats
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Robinson1:
“Yup! Having been involved with one, totally agree.”

Same here .......
yogacats
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by PotNoodleMonkey:
“I think Lewis, Marnie, and Chloe all display the typical narcissistic traits found in reality tv 'stars' who get ahead in the game - self-absorbed, never my fault, lack of self-awareness. The only intelligence narcissists display, imo, is that of manipulation, because they'll navigate life in a way that will always be of benefit to themselves. But, Bear is way out there with these traits by a thousand kilometres and a fully fledged malignant narcissist, imo. He lacks incredible empathy and ADORES being at the centre of all dramas BECAUSE it places him at the centre of it all.

You could see the clear enjoyment he got from hurting Heavy D (who at the time was supposed to be his mate and in his group) and just couldn't help himself by strutting over to his bed and placing his foot on the frame - a typical territorial move that enraged Heavy D, understandably. He enjoyed sticking the knife into Renee's back. Also, he is using Chloe in this emotional chess game to gain higher ground. But, she's to dumb to see. Another thing with these kind of narcissists, they will not think twice in throwing a mate or a family member under the bus as long as they gain the higher ground, i.e. Lewis? He enjoys degrading women or keeping them down a peg or two so he can feel superior - although he clearly shits himself around Renee

One of the driving forces of these kinds of personalities is, other than the need to feel they are way better than EVERYBODY on planet earth, is their emotional reaction to being hurt even when they are usually the one in the wrong. They won't go away and re-evaluate their behavior, talk it through, find a compromise, etc like a well-adjusted adult. Their modus Operandi is revenge and to get that revenge quickly and Bear has shown this throughout. When he hurts people, he gives an insincere apology and basically tells those he's hurt to get over it. But when he gets hurt at the slightest of things - he's plannning his attack from the get-go. He is like the eternal rain cloud of negative doom and pulsates with internal poisons of which he projects it all back out on to other people because he is a deeply inadequate emotional individual. Yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone either if all I saw was my ugly, narcisissistic, conniving self in others, which he's unable to see. He thinks it's their traits and they have to prove him otherwise - but he will manipulate a situation to prove he is right. All the time.

His reaction to being nominated week-in, week-out was of absolute shock and disgust and lacked such severe self-awareness he could neither comprehend where it all came from or get a hold on his emotional melt-down and tried to hide it with a pathetic display of overt masculine strutting and gobbing off, which actually made him look worse. When he said to Frankie for everybody who voted him out that they should just ignore him - I can only hope half the house would keep him at his word. Because I guarantee you, a narcissist like him, that would be the last thing he wants. To be ignored is a fate worse than death - They would just dry up and die. He will go out of his way to cause malignant drama as usual because in his ****ed up emotional world, that keeps him relevant. He cares for nobody's feelings but his own.

And you can NEVER cure a narcisissist. EVER. There is nothing wrong with them. It is all of us who are ****ed in the head and if our feelings get hurt dealing with them? Tough. You don't matter and as long as you understand that and realise you exist for their emotional abuse, life is dandy. Like the saying goes; Neurotics make their own lives a misery. Narcissists just make everybody else miserable. He may be on our screens for a potential 3 more weeks, but I feel very sorry for everybody who will have the deep misfortune of being in his life from here-on-in, because these people get worse as they get older.

One of the worst housemates ever, imo. Just because he acts like an overgrown, spiteful baby having a tantrum and we're talking about it, does not make him entertaining. He is drowning out everybody else's capacity to be shown or heard and we are left to judge their behaviour in reaction to his own.

The boy seriously needs to wean himself off his mother's tit and get himself on solids because when full grown men act like this it really pisses me off to the point of anger. And I hate it that we live in a society that rewards behaviour like this. It really is the dreggs of entertainment, tbh.

”

WOW - nail on head!!!!
yogacats
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Sick n Sexified:
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He throws me off a bit sometimes though. A psychopath wouldn't have shat themselves the way he did with that guard, .”

I'm sorry - they would. My ex spath was a downright bully boy to women, children and OAPS, but he would never pick on a bloke because he was also a bloody coward! He also cried on the Waltzers once and walking over a rope bridge (this is someone who had supposedly been in 'the forces' nine years - YEAH RIGHT ..... I didn't believe that by the end either.)
Wee Tinkers
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“Is he a bipolar bear? 🐻”

This made me laugh.
Deeferone
29-08-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“Is he a bipolar bear? 🐻”

Made me laugh
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