Yeah agreed, she's as nuts as they come. I've never seen anyone so intense

And she would him too so a match made in Heaven

I feel sorry for Bear , that woman can't shut up , she'll just drone on and on about herself without drawing a breath .

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These 'commanding, outspoken' women. Renee was the same. They want to play the 'mothering' role at the same time as feeling sexual towards him. Both of them wanted to 'tame' him. He can see through that crap.

Dearie me , trying to straddle two camps never works out , the stupid woman .
I can't believe that an allegedly intelligent woman has made herself look like such a fool . Slurpy bum kissing Bear and mothering him like some sort of slightly nutty old grandma . Listing his good points and claiming his horrible points are just blips that he can overcome with her superlative advice and guidance .
I think she's terrified of him frankly , and masking it behind a veneer of caring so that he doesn't turn on her . She is a laughing stock now and will have lost all credibility on the outside . But watch her put a positive spin on her bizarre switcheroo when she is queried on it on her exit . Does she REALLY think the squad give a crap about hher ? Nope, they'll chuck her under the bus in a heartbeat .
With her ability to twist and spin she has the makings of a politician that one .

Hahaha! What an excellent summination.

Sad to say she'll still have her place on that grotesque show Loose Women.

edit - have you noticed how she lapses into some weird street patois mixed with her learned speak? She comes from Derbyshire originally (apparently).

I'm not suggesting she is going to win by doing this, either the show or make friends or get free from nomination but I think her patronising style of interviewing people, creating drama EG her haranguing Choe in the bath and now this move is about achieving something, like she wants a spot on some show or a show of her own or a column in a paper. Of course she may very well not achieve this either but just that she is certainly trying to achieve something rather than she is just completely oblivious to being played.

Another thing to remember is not only did she approach the gang but she also brought Sam along as well so she has influence there. I just don't think she should be so easily dismissed or underestimated.

From my perspective Bear and the gang of course do not really trust her but she doesn't really trust them either, that is all.

I wasn't suggesting she'd win either. Did I give that impression?!

Of course it's all about her 'achieving something' - that's her raison d'etre - hence her climb up via The Apprentice etc., she's a construct. Quite sad really.

No. you definitely didn't give that impression

Oh that's good then, I thought for a minute there you'd misunderstood me. It happens on here doesn't it.

What do you think of Sam appearing to cuddle up to Bear and Lewis too? She doesn't seem to have even made an active decision herself just toddled along after Saira.

I know she didn't join in the pep talk Saira gave Bear but in a way it seems worse being such a follower. Then again she could be the best game player ever, managing to straddle two camps and not get into trouble in the House or out here

Yet Sam was the one who pulled the greedy Bear up on his selfishness regarding the wine. Stating that Ricky (who is known for his generosity) had been missed out. What did Saira do? Nothing. A great, big fat nothing. Even pretending, when forced to comment later................'Oh has the wine gone?'. I don't have any particular feelings regarding Sam being a champion, but if you're thinking there's a twinned movement with both Sam and Saira, I'd wonder at that.

Yes but we've already established that Saira is only acting in order to achieve things for herself so you wouldn't expect anything less from her however for Sam to see and acknowledge what a selfish nasty piece of work Bear is and for her not to see what is lacking in Saira and blindly follow her into the gang is massively worth commenting on surely.

However if she were playing a game and not just being stupid and a bit hypocritical as I imagine then it would be a bloody good game as she seems to be getting away with it and rather than twinning Saira is trumping her

Sam is actually playing a good game Trev . She's mostly keeping her head down (but still remaining cheerfully one of the whole group) and so her drifting betwixt camps is less obvious than mouthy Saira's . If she gets pulled up on it she can pass the buck by saying "well Saira is my mate and if she gravitates toward someone then I don't really have a choice but follow or miss my mate" .
She has a nasty temper and has managed to keep it in check for the most part to avoid negative attention, but every so often it peeps out and we see the real Sam . She knows the drill and is playing a blinder in that she's not offended anyone enough to warrant any noms .Very clever game play .👍