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Should HMs be kicked out for what they say?
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Pitman
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by UncleManifestor:
“If he was still in the house then he would have the opportunity to explain his views and also to have his opinion changed by the other housemates (if they could string sentences together).”

he could be challenged by Bear and Marnie, shrieking that he is evil??

this is BB, they will be showing Aubrey gobbing and Bear talking about stinky fingers instead

leave the racism exposure to as mentioned above proper television
GibsonSG
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by UncleManifestor:
“Regardless of viewpoint, I believe that no housemate should be removed due to airing their opinion, no matter how controversial.

Kicking a housemate out because their view is un-PC just sweeps it under the rug, it also stops other housemates from challenging and potentially changing the opinion of the controversial housemate.
It should lead to a frank discussion of the subject where different sides are expressed and misconceptions quashed, the viewing public can gain insight into how different views have been cultivated and the societal implications of said views.

People in normal society hold differing opinions on every subject, why not show that and let it lead to a greater understanding of the issues that need addressing in today's world.

The only time a housemate should be removed is when they are threatening others, are overly aggressive or for constantly breaking rules.”


Sorry but that is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Of course they should be thrown out if they say something offensive, it would need to be really bad though otherwise - given the current lot - there would be no need for evictions.
Hershey2
06-08-2016
The PC bandwagon is always stuffed to full capacity these days, so many people ....too many people....are too eager to be seen as so 'moral' or shocked with outrage or whatever.

Always makes me laugh when on BB somebody is upset over something, usually trivial, and they all crowd round, clucking on about how terrible it is, how awful blah blah all so outraged....so, so precious, he/she said something behind my back....yawn, well never mind love you were talking behind somebody elses back the day before......oh that was different wasn't it!
sorcha_healy27
06-08-2016
I don't see why people should receive money for being horrible so if they stay in the house they should have their fee taken off them
Hershey2
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse:
“Yes. It was about 20 pages long too, despite being posted late last night.”


That would be why I can't find it then! Thanks Doormouse.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hershey2:
“The PC bandwagon is always stuffed to full capacity these days, so many people ....too many people....are too eager to be seen as so 'moral' or shocked with outrage or whatever.

Always makes me laugh when on BB somebody is upset over something, usually trivial, and they all crowd round, clucking on about how terrible it is, how awful blah blah all so outraged....so, so precious, he/she said something behind my back....yawn, well never mind love you were talking behind somebody elses back the day before......oh that was different wasn't it!”

So true. I don't know how old you are but there used to be a show on Radio one called 'The Steve Wright Show' - he had several made-up characters on, one of which was a Mr Angry who'd call in and spout of about all manner of things. It was humour. No such thing as humour any more. Everything has to be taken to the nth degree of seriousness and outrage. The 'possible' outcomes of every single word uttered is considered. Gone crazy.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hershey2:
“That would be why I can't find it then! Thanks Doormouse.”

You're welcome
Lyricalis
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by UncleManifestor:
“If he was still in the house then he would have the opportunity to explain his views and also to have his opinion changed by the other housemates (if they could string sentences together).”

He also said, a few days ago, something along the lines of the best way for women to get on in life is to be good at giving blow jobs. And that men were better at giving them than women, which I guess is sort of doubly sexist in some ways.

I personally would just leave him to get on with it and destroy his own career - he's far from the first older HM in the celebrity version of the show to be kicked out for this sort of thing, but people do complain and, unfortunately, they do get listened to.

We treat being offended as if it's something totally unacceptable, when in fact it's just a normal part of life. It should be treated like eating something and realising you don't like the taste of it. You'd get nowhere if you turned up at the supermarket and complained about how you didn't like the taste of the sprouts you bought and wanted a refund and an apology.
Hershey2
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse:
“So true. I don't know how old you are but there used to be a show on Radio one called 'The Steve Wright Show' - he had several made-up characters on, one of which was a Mr Angry who'd call in and spout of about all manner of things. It was humour. No such thing as humour any more. Everything has to be taken to the nth degree of seriousness and outrage. The 'possible' outcomes of every single word uttered is considered. Gone crazy.”

I remember that.... I have grandchildren, was a child bride obviously...hee hee.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hershey2:
“I remember that.... I have grandchildren, was a child bride obviously...hee hee.”

That's outrageous, you're encouraging children to get married too early.............blah blah
Pitman
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lyricalis:
“He also said, a few days ago, something along the lines of the best way for women to get on in life is to be good at giving blow jobs. And that men were better at giving them than women, which I guess is sort of doubly sexist in some ways..”

and who challenged him, no ****** we had no debate at all

if he said something racist you would just get a hysterical reaction from most, Marnie would be utterly outraged even though she probably knows **** all about the history of racism but she knows it is wrong because everyone on the Twitter says it is

then you would get the tears from some other tosser

it would be nauseating to watch, just chuck him out
UncleManifestor
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“Sorry but that is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Of course they should be thrown out if they say something offensive, it would need to be really bad though otherwise - given the current lot - there would be no need for evictions.”

Maybe you could try to begin, help me understand why I am so wrong.

It is apt that I state about wanting a discussion rather than things being swept under the rug and your response against it is essentially that.

Person 1: We have too many homeless on our streets.
Person 2: What can we do about it?
Person 1: Move them to another town?
Person 3: That doesn't get rid of the issue though...
Person 1: No, but it gets rid of OUR issue.
Person 1 & 2 high five.
Pitman
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse:
“So true. I don't know how old you are but there used to be a show on Radio one called 'The Steve Wright Show' - he had several made-up characters on, one of which was a Mr Angry who'd call in and spout of about all manner of things. It was humour. No such thing as humour any more. Everything has to be taken to the nth degree of seriousness and outrage. The 'possible' outcomes of every single word uttered is considered. Gone crazy.”

Mr Angry was offensive purely because it was so unfunny

there used to be a show called 'Til Death' with Alf Garnett, amazing comment on racism it was, but he ended up becoming a champion of the racists
JVS
06-08-2016
Mainstream American TV is quite prudish regarding sex and swearing compared with ours, but I've seen comedians on The Tonight Show saying racist things that would never be allowed over here. Black comedians insulting white people, that is. Not sure if they allow it the other way round.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“and who challenged him, no ****** we had no debate at all

if he said something racist you would just get a hysterical reaction from most, Marnie would be utterly outraged even though she probably knows **** all about the history of racism but she knows it is wrong because everyone on the Twitter says it is

then you would get the tears from some other tosser

it would be nauseating to watch, just chuck him out ”

It doesn't really matter what those brainless wannabes in the house thinks or says though does it? We can still debate it outside the house. We can either agree with what one of them says or not, a debate on here will ensue. At least we will all get the chance to put our point across, instead of stifling any debate completely.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“Mr Angry was offensive purely because it was so unfunny

there used to be a show called 'Til Death' with Alf Garnett, amazing comment on racism it was, but he ended up becoming a champion of the racists ”

So they were racists before the sitcom? They would remain racists despite what he said.
Maxine_Roch
06-08-2016
I think there being too strict nowadays it's a bit annoying I miss the days of the Channel 4 days when they was a lot less strict .
Pitman
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse:
“It doesn't really matter what those brainless wannabes in the house thinks or says though does it? We can still debate it outside the house. We can either agree with what one of them says or not, a debate on here will ensue. At least we will all get the chance to put our point across, instead of stifling any debate completely.”

we can have that debate anyway, it's ongoing, we don't have to watch weeks of racist/sexist comments on BB, just so the person gets more and more in the shit
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“we can have that debate anyway, it's ongoing, we don't have to watch weeks of racist/sexist comments on BB, just so the person gets more and more in the shit ”

Oh, I don't know! You can't say much that's controversial on here without being banned or without the threat of being banned.
Pitman
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse:
“Oh, I don't know! You can't say much that's controversial on here without being banned or without the threat of being banned.”

I've been banned before for absolutely nothing, though I have to say I respect the moderators a lot, they have a very difficult job
UncleManifestor
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“Mr Angry was offensive purely because it was so unfunny

there used to be a show called 'Til Death' with Alf Garnett, amazing comment on racism it was, but he ended up becoming a champion of the racists ”

'Til Death just proved that you could twist things to support your own agenda.

On the one hand the show is a mockery of the old fashioned racist views held by the ignorant. On the other hand it is 'funny because it's true' in showing how different the races are, backing up the thoughts of the racist viewer.

I do wonder if it ever did change anyone's opinions? Whether racists saw the error of their ways etc.

The sad thing is that the mockery angle was totally over the heads of the SJW of the time. Much like what happens today.
doormouse
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“I've been banned before for absolutely nothing, though I have to say I respect the moderators a lot, they have a very difficult job ”

Oh, absolutely! Can I wax lyrical about them.........ok then, I won't.
The Finisher
06-08-2016
I distrust freedom of speech censorship because I generally distrust the censor, their inconsistency and their motives. Being censored creates anger and frustration and is more likely to result in the behaviour 'they' are trying to limit.
Sweeping anything under the carpet is dishonest, lazy and ultimately detrimental. It doesn't go away, it grows, so lets drop the pretence that everything will be ok as long as we can't see it/hear it. This attitude is infantile and cowardly and prevents us from dealing with the actual issues.
Let 'people' have their say and then let 'the people' deal with what is being said, and then attempt to change that way of thinking by educating them or openly discussing it.
UncleManifestor
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by The Finisher:
“I distrust freedom of speech censorship because I generally distrust the censor, their inconsistency and their motives. Being censored creates anger and frustration and is more likely to result in the behaviour 'they' are trying to limit.
Sweeping anything under the carpet is dishonest, lazy and ultimately detrimental. It doesn't go away, it grows, so lets drop the pretence that everything will be ok as long as we can't see it/hear it. This attitude is infantile and cowardly and prevents us from dealing with the actual issues.
Let 'people' have their say and then let 'the people' deal with what is being said, and then attempt to change that way of thinking by educating them or openly discussing it.”

Well said!
Etty_Dee
06-08-2016
Back to the original question/topic header...
Depends what they say. Imagine a HM saying the age of consent should be four, and children feel more loved if they are sexualised early? BTW, I'm not making this up, someone did actually campaign for this.
Would you still advocate a policy of absolute free speech on a reality tv show if that were the topic at hand?
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