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Ricky Gervais calling out Channel 5 on their hypocrisy
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Eurostar
06-08-2016
How can they be issuing constant warnings that some viewers may find scenes or comments offensive and then evict someone for saying something offensive?

http://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/ce...iggins-8574294

I've always found the idea of evicting people for a supposedly offensive remark they've made as bizarre, as the whole show is recorded and edited and the producers get to decide what is aired. As for other housemates being offended, I'm not sure that washes either as they spend the whole four weeks in there arguing and offending each other. Who is to say calling someone a 'tosser' or a 'pervert' or whatever is any less offensive than an un-PC remark?
Robinson1
06-08-2016
I think he always found BB a farce -hence his spoof on extras
UncleManifestor
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“How can they be issuing constant warnings that some viewers may find scenes or comments offensive and then evict someone for saying something offensive?

http://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/ce...iggins-8574294

I've always found the idea of evicting people for a supposedly offensive remark they've made as bizarre, as the whole show is recorded and edited and the producers get to decide what is aired. As for other housemates being offended, I'm not sure that washes either as they spend the whole four weeks in there arguing and offending each other. Who is to say calling someone a 'tosser' or a 'pervert' or whatever is any less offensive than an un-PC remark?”

I hope the producers respond to Ricky's comments, would be interesting to see what they have to say on the matter.

My tent is firmly pitched in the "air everything, warts 'n' all" camp.
ahoyy
06-08-2016
"Be prepared for confrontation and for offensive language from the start and throughout".

"Biggins has been removed because he has made a number of comments capable of causing great offence to housemates and the viewing public".

Yeah, your excessive clickbait warnings after every ad break keep telling us to expect offensive language. So show us the offensive language.
Littlegreen42
06-08-2016
I agree, though I may personally find something offensive I wouldn't want that person removed.

I was expecting Bear to be removed seeing as he seemed to be a danger to others, yet he remains in the house while Biggins was removed because of his views?
Eurostar
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by ahoyy:
“"Be prepared for confrontation and for offensive language from the start and throughout".

"Biggins has been removed because he has made a number of comments capable of causing great offence to housemates and the viewing public".

Yeah, your excessive clickbait warnings after every ad break keep telling us to expect offensive language. So show us the offensive language.”

This one is an absolute grey area. Who appointed BB as moral guardians for the public? I could understand if Biggins had been in a furious argument with someone and hurling racist insults at them but when people get evicted for having a casual conversation, you'd wonder what is going on.
ahoyy
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“This one is an absolute grey area. Who appointed BB as moral guardians for the public? I could understand if Biggins had been in a furious argument with someone and hurling racist insults at them but when people get evicted for having a casual conversation, you'd wonder what is going on.”

All it proves is that the stupid clickbait warnings after every ad break are there just to keep viewers watching. They hardly ever have anything remotely offensive, the warnings are bogus. Biggins being removed for "being capable of offence" proves they will never show anything genuinely offensive, so why the warnings? They think we are idiots. Well, come to think of it we are.
Parish15
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by ahoyy:
“All it proves is that the stupid clickbait warnings after every ad break are there just to keep viewers watching. They hardly ever have anything remotely offensive, the warnings are bogus. Biggins being removed for "being capable of offence" proves they will never show anything genuinely offensive, so why the warnings? They think we are idiots. Well, come to think of it we are.”

I"ve said a similar thing in the past, the warnings are an advertising ploy
Aura101
06-08-2016
i dont get it either.
does american BB have this problem ?
Goggle girl
06-08-2016
The point is that crude sexual talk, swearing etc would not get you a visit from HM Constabulary, espousing homophobic, racist or discriminatory views against any minority group could. A person representing that group need not be present.

Remember when Carole Thatcher got sacked from the one show for making a racist remark in the green room about a tennis player? The sportsman in question was not there and I understand that the person who made the complaint was not from an ethnic minority background but they were offended by the remark.
Heatherbell
06-08-2016
It's ridiculous to post up warnings covering EVERYTHING in every single ad break as well as at the start and then chuck a person out for talking crap or doing something offensive .
We are all adults for goodness sake and I say keep the person in no matter how offensive, let us witness it and let the HMs handle it among themselves . If it is that bad then noms will put the person up and the viewers can vote on how offended they are by evicting the person .....or not .
Honestly, I'm fed up being treated like a 12 yr old viewer , with BB babysitting me with parental control and choosing what is fit for my delicate sensibilities .

And I don't even like Biggins !
trevor tiger
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Aura101:
“i dont get it either.
does american BB have this problem ?”

No not at all but then they have freedom of speech.
PDH
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“It's ridiculous to post up warnings covering EVERYTHING in every single ad break as well as at the start and then chuck a person out for talking crap or doing something offensive .
We are all adults for goodness sake and I say keep the person in no matter how offensive, let us witness it and let the HMs handle it among themselves . If it is that bad then noms will put the person up and the viewers can vote on how offended they are by evicting the person .....or not .
Honestly, I'm fed up being treated like a 12 yr old viewer , with BB babysitting me with parental control and choosing what is fit for my delicate sensibilities .

And I don't even like Biggins !”

I agree with you.
Veri
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“How can they be issuing constant warnings that some viewers may find scenes or comments offensive and then evict someone for saying something offensive?

http://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/ce...iggins-8574294

I've always found the idea of evicting people for a supposedly offensive remark they've made as bizarre, as the whole show is recorded and edited and the producers get to decide what is aired. As for other housemates being offended, I'm not sure that washes either as they spend the whole four weeks in there arguing and offending each other. Who is to say calling someone a 'tosser' or a 'pervert' or whatever is any less offensive than an un-PC remark?”

Do you think BB should be an exemption from the rules that every other program on tv must follow and that are a condition of C5's broadcasting licence?

Yes, they could edit out everything that might be a problem, but is that really desirable? Should they hide everything like they did Jay and the freezer?

As for why BB doesn't just show things without any warnings or removals, the broadcasting code gives them some flexibility, but they have to do something when they broadcast things that are potentially offensive to the viewers. It's all explained fairly well in the Ofcom judgement re CBB5 (the Jade / Shilpa one) which is worth reading and can be found online somewhere. (If BB had paid more attention to it, they wouldn't have got C5 in trouble over Conor.)
Aura101
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“No not at all but then they have freedom of speech.”

I was going to say they hold free speech in very high regard, i do remember the Evander incident making showbiz news in america and our BB was taken the piss out of for ''telling him off like a naughty schoolboy'' for stating his opinion. and he was not even removed!

i remember being annoyed with the incident as he was censored by BB, and therefore the opportunity for his bizarre views to be challenged would never arise.

this show at its heart should still be a social experiment, but how can it be with people being removed left right and centre for behaving how they would normally?
Etty_Dee
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“No not at all but then they have freedom of speech.”

Not to the extent you might think. Mainstream network television in the US is highly censored. Especially in regard to swearing and anything remotely sexual.
C5 is a network station in the UK. BB as it is shown here, with profane language and sexual shenanigans would have to be shown on HBO or similar independent broadcaster in America.
Veri
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“No not at all but then they have freedom of speech.”

There are things allowed in broadcast tv in America that aren't allowed here, but there are also things allowed here that aren't allowed there.
ianlawn
06-08-2016
Now they seem to pay a few celebs good money to get the audience and then get lots of cheap nobodies to keep the audience and create the drama.

Now he has attracted the audience they boot him out and dont pay him.
Eurostar
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Do you think BB should be an exemption from the rules that every other program on tv must follow and that are a condition of C5's broadcasting licence?

Yes, they could edit out everything that might be a problem, but is that really desirable? Should they hide everything like they did Jay and the freezer?

As for why BB doesn't just show things without any warnings or removals, the broadcasting code gives them some flexibility, but they have to do something when they broadcast things that are potentially offensive to the viewers. It's all explained fairly well in the Ofcom judgement re CBB5 (the Jade / Shilpa one) which is worth reading and can be found online somewhere. (If BB had paid more attention to it, they wouldn't have got C5 in trouble over Conor.)”

Yes but it seems most of the ejections are about using un-PC language these days. Bear smashed a mirror and broke open the DR door the other evening as well as threatened to smash up the Diary Room, and apparently this isn't seen as something likely to cause offence to viewers.
jp761
06-08-2016
It's ridiculous. Why bother with the warnings really.

An what about me ( this viewer ) Bears offended me 23 times and he's still there!
Cornchips
06-08-2016
Certainly now we don't have live feed it seems bizarre to kick them out for saying things the public might find offensive when the public would never hear it or see it if they didn't show it which they usually don't. So the public finding it offensive is largely redundant.

That leaves us with other HMs finding something offensive and here it gets more tricky. i can see why BB might have to take a stand but they are very hit and miss with regard to what they take action on and what they don't
Cornchips
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by jp761:
“It's ridiculous. Why bother with the warnings really.

An what about me ( this viewer ) Bears offended me 23 times and he's still there! ”

Only 23? Lucky you
Paace
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“How can they be issuing constant warnings that some viewers may find scenes or comments offensive and then evict someone for saying something offensive?

http://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/ce...iggins-8574294

I've always found the idea of evicting people for a supposedly offensive remark they've made as bizarre, as the whole show is recorded and edited and the producers get to decide what is aired. As for other housemates being offended, I'm not sure that washes either as they spend the whole four weeks in there arguing and offending each other. Who is to say calling someone a 'tosser' or a 'pervert' or whatever is any less offensive than an un-PC remark?”

Absolutely, even the so called Live feed is heavily edited with the slightest chance of any offensive remarks been drowned out by planes .

I find there constant warnings before each programme most offensive and patronizing .
Human beings having a conversation will always be offensive to some . It is totally ridiculous to expect people to be spouting some sanitised, innocuous conversations all the time .
GreenEyes8
06-08-2016
It makes me smile when they dole out the warnings in the Diary Room....reminding them of the does and don'ts ...one of those don't being 'Swearing'....errrr.....'Hello !!!' ....There'd be no-one left in there after the first 5 minutes of the programme starting if they carried that threat out.....
Lee_Bo
06-08-2016
Maybe Bigz is a bigoted, out of date old queen. I don't know enough about him and haven't read the transcript but if I were in there I would be talking to the producers about a violation of contract. There's a certain duty of care they undertook to provide a safe environment and given the escalating incidents in the house and the producer's blatant lack of action to curb said behaviour I'd be discussing my options with a lawyer.

Just saying.

Maybe the statements were made on purpose or agreed to by both parties as an 'amicable' way out of the house.
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