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Absolutely. The offensive language usually refers to sexual swear words, not hate speech. Ken Morley was removed for the same reason as Biggins. I'm astonished that so many on here think Ch5 would be seen to endorse racism or anti-semitism. They have lawyers; they know what can and can't be shown to the nation in the name of entertainment.
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I think that's extremely unlikely. In what way have C5 or BB libelled or defamed him?
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Do you think that breaking the rules to the point that they're thrown out isn't breaking the contract? Or isn't covered by the contract? Why?
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No HM has ever been ejected because "some fragile person decided to continue to watch and ignore the warnings."
And BB has to follow the Ofcom rules that are a condition of C5's broadcasting licence. It's not about submitting to people who complain. Indeed, Ofcom disagrees with the great majority of the complaints. The warnings are part of establishing a context that allows them to broadcast potentially offensive things. I'm inclined to agree that BB has taken to making a big deal of the warnings so that they've become something like advertising or "clickbait", but that doesn't mean the warnings serve no other purpose. How are they telling you what is too offensive for you? C5 has to respect "generally accepted standards" as interpreted by Ofcom. It's a condition of C5's broadcasting licence. Quote:
Pretty sure, yes. Is there any reason to think viewers are offended by something like a mirror being smashed?
Ejections aren't only about causing offence, btw. The BB rules list plenty of other things under "unacceptable behaviour". (How is threatening a room threatening BB?) Quote:
It's not redundant when BB does show it, though. I'm not sure quite what you're wanting here. Should BB keep everything hidden? Throw HMs out without showing us why? Keep them in no matter what?
Well, the BB rules re unacceptable behaviour include: "Behaving in a way that could cause serious offence to either their fellow Housemates or members of the viewing public (including serious offence based on the grounds of age, disability, gender, race, religion, beliefs or sexual orientation)." That's a matter of interpretation, especially since it includes "serious" and "could". So naturally people won't all always agree with BB's interpretation. I think BB has been inconsistent at times, but I also think that many of the accusations of inconsistency are mistaken, and some are based on very dubious reasoning. (For example if BB warns a HM and describes something the HM did as "aggressive", the idea seems to appear that anything that can be described as "aggressive" should be treated in the same way. I call this the "same label, same thing" fallacy.) Recently some people were saying Marnie should be thrown out because Aaron had been thrown out in bb16, as if there couldn't be any relevant differences between those two cases. That's a "similar = same" fallacy.
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![]() There's no BB rule against swearing. |
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I think BB try to avoid looking like they're providing a platform for people to offend in a way that will gather real momentum instead of just fading into memory. Of course, public opinion can vary, so it all depends on what's said, who said it and the context in which it was said. And then of course BB can edit and/or respond to it in ways that influence how it's perceived.
Anyways, anyone recall the name of the poster who first posted the fake transcript of the incident? Lol, guess they're famous now...
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It's ridiculous to post up warnings covering EVERYTHING in every single ad break as well as at the start and then chuck a person out for talking crap or doing something offensive .
We are all adults for goodness sake and I say keep the person in no matter how offensive, let us witness it and let the HMs handle it among themselves . If it is that bad then noms will put the person up and the viewers can vote on how offended they are by evicting the person .....or not . Honestly, I'm fed up being treated like a 12 yr old viewer , with BB babysitting me with parental control and choosing what is fit for my delicate sensibilities . ![]() And I don't even like Biggins ! I agree totally and didn't like Biggins either.
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There are things allowed in broadcast tv in America that aren't allowed here, but there are also things allowed here that aren't allowed there.
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Absolutely. The offensive language usually refers to sexual swear words, not hate speech. Ken Morley was removed for the same reason as Biggins. I'm astonished that so many on here think Ch5 would be seen to endorse racism or anti-semitism. They have lawyers; they know what can and can't be shown to the nation in the name of entertainment.
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But remember its the BB producers who decide what is shown . They DO NOT have to show any of the offensive remarks . They even EDIT the LF as it's been shown .
A cynical part of me thinks they view airing a HM making controversial remarks and then kicking them out of the house part of the "entertainment" and they're secretly loving it. |
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Saying in the other thread. This has been a boil just waiting to burst for many years since C5 took over.
Look at all the visual material they have aired and not doing a Maud flanters. Its been bloody disgusting (gross), Yet they cant get enough of that!!! yet anything Verbal and they totally freaks out. the show is carrying so many demons from the bad days on Channel 4 instead of having a clean reboot, They kept the paranoia that C4 introduced. Ofcom rules are quite clear on the subject as long as the channel give viewers clear warnings. And everything is cleared by the legal department and it goes out post watershed it should be okay. At this moment in time. the show is so focused on Sex. Talk of Sex because it might gain complaints but it avoids the area of Race, Sexism. Etc all the hard topics they would rather avoid |
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I suppose the staff & crew are "viewers" in a sense too?
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Blimey, who are you? Big Brothers lawyer?
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I really wish it was illegal to show people eating with their mouths open!
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Blimey you know you're doing something very badly wrong when the likes of Gervais call you out on it...
I wonder how much hush money Russell Brand is getting not to comment (assuming it's not part of his lifelong contract, but it probably is). |
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Blimey you know you're doing something very badly wrong when the likes of Gervais call you out on it...
I wonder how much hush money Russell Brand is getting not to comment (assuming it's not part of his lifelong contract, but it probably is). I remember him tweeting about the hobgoblin Dennis from BB9. |
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Ricky Gervais has been a BB fan for many years.
I remember him tweeting about the hobgoblin Dennis from BB9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUk15Qi4xXM |
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I remember him at Live Aid telling a global audience how wonderful it was that Saskia had been evicted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUk15Qi4xXM anything we say they just disregard, something has to change with them. this two tier outlook on what's visually offence and verbally is just crazy |
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I really wish it was illegal to show people eating with their mouths open!
![]() They are happy to endorse it when they show "South Park" You know, that cartoon about the racist, bigoted, Nazi loving little boy? |
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Wow, I don't watch South Park but I'm amazed they have such a character in an American cartoon . The American networks are very wary of offending their sponsors and audience .
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Wow, I don't watch South Park but I'm amazed they have such a character in an American cartoon . The American networks are very wary of offending their sponsors and audience .
Clips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxoKjwudruw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2h3X9dQifc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkTvU06lxRk |
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Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?
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Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?
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Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?
He's one of them. Edit - I missed TheElf's post ![]() Sorry just said what was already said
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so am I right in thinking the final straw for Biggins was the Aids talk they just showed?
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so am I right in thinking the final straw for Biggins was the Aids talk they just showed?
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When they warned Bear they told him one of the rules was Swearing !!
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