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Ricky Gervais calling out Channel 5 on their hypocrisy
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Paace
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Zarla:
“Absolutely. The offensive language usually refers to sexual swear words, not hate speech. Ken Morley was removed for the same reason as Biggins. I'm astonished that so many on here think Ch5 would be seen to endorse racism or anti-semitism. They have lawyers; they know what can and can't be shown to the nation in the name of entertainment.”

But remember its the BB producers who decide what is shown . They DO NOT have to show any of the offensive remarks . They even EDIT the LF as it's been shown .
North Downs
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I think that's extremely unlikely. In what way have C5 or BB libelled or defamed him?”

Originally Posted by Veri:
“Do you think that breaking the rules to the point that they're thrown out isn't breaking the contract? Or isn't covered by the contract? Why?”

Originally Posted by Veri:
“No HM has ever been ejected because "some fragile person decided to continue to watch and ignore the warnings."

And BB has to follow the Ofcom rules that are a condition of C5's broadcasting licence. It's not about submitting to people who complain. Indeed, Ofcom disagrees with the great majority of the complaints.



The warnings are part of establishing a context that allows them to broadcast potentially offensive things.

I'm inclined to agree that BB has taken to making a big deal of the warnings so that they've become something like advertising or "clickbait", but that doesn't mean the warnings serve no other purpose.



How are they telling you what is too offensive for you? C5 has to respect "generally accepted standards" as interpreted by Ofcom. It's a condition of C5's broadcasting licence.”

Originally Posted by Veri:
“Pretty sure, yes. Is there any reason to think viewers are offended by something like a mirror being smashed?

Ejections aren't only about causing offence, btw. The BB rules list plenty of other things under "unacceptable behaviour".

(How is threatening a room threatening BB?)”

Originally Posted by Veri:
“It's not redundant when BB does show it, though. I'm not sure quite what you're wanting here. Should BB keep everything hidden? Throw HMs out without showing us why? Keep them in no matter what?



Well, the BB rules re unacceptable behaviour include: "Behaving in a way that could cause serious offence to either their fellow Housemates or members of the viewing public (including serious offence based on the grounds of age, disability, gender, race, religion, beliefs or sexual orientation)."

That's a matter of interpretation, especially since it includes "serious" and "could". So naturally people won't all always agree with BB's interpretation.

I think BB has been inconsistent at times, but I also think that many of the accusations of inconsistency are mistaken, and some are based on very dubious reasoning. (For example if BB warns a HM and describes something the HM did as "aggressive", the idea seems to appear that anything that can be described as "aggressive" should be treated in the same way. I call this the "same label, same thing" fallacy.)

Recently some people were saying Marnie should be thrown out because Aaron had been thrown out in bb16, as if there couldn't be any relevant differences between those two cases. That's a "similar = same" fallacy.”

Blimey, who are you? Big Brothers lawyer?
GreenEyes8
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
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There's no BB rule against swearing.”

When they warned Bear they told him one of the rules was Swearing !!
Eve Elle
06-08-2016
I think BB try to avoid looking like they're providing a platform for people to offend in a way that will gather real momentum instead of just fading into memory. Of course, public opinion can vary, so it all depends on what's said, who said it and the context in which it was said. And then of course BB can edit and/or respond to it in ways that influence how it's perceived.

Anyways, anyone recall the name of the poster who first posted the fake transcript of the incident? Lol, guess they're famous now...
dorsetwasp
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“It's ridiculous to post up warnings covering EVERYTHING in every single ad break as well as at the start and then chuck a person out for talking crap or doing something offensive .
We are all adults for goodness sake and I say keep the person in no matter how offensive, let us witness it and let the HMs handle it among themselves . If it is that bad then noms will put the person up and the viewers can vote on how offended they are by evicting the person .....or not .
Honestly, I'm fed up being treated like a 12 yr old viewer , with BB babysitting me with parental control and choosing what is fit for my delicate sensibilities .

And I don't even like Biggins !”

Great post.

I agree totally and didn't like Biggins either.
honeythewitch
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Veri:
“There are things allowed in broadcast tv in America that aren't allowed here, but there are also things allowed here that aren't allowed there.”

I really wish it was illegal to show people eating with their mouths open!


Originally Posted by Zarla:
“Absolutely. The offensive language usually refers to sexual swear words, not hate speech. Ken Morley was removed for the same reason as Biggins. I'm astonished that so many on here think Ch5 would be seen to endorse racism or anti-semitism. They have lawyers; they know what can and can't be shown to the nation in the name of entertainment.”

They are happy to endorse it when they show "South Park" You know, that cartoon about the racist, bigoted, Nazi loving little boy?
Eurostar
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Paace:
“But remember its the BB producers who decide what is shown . They DO NOT have to show any of the offensive remarks . They even EDIT the LF as it's been shown .”

Which does make a nonsense of their 'likely to cause offence to viewers' rubbish. What viewers? They are totally in control of the edit and can show whatever they like.

A cynical part of me thinks they view airing a HM making controversial remarks and then kicking them out of the house part of the "entertainment" and they're secretly loving it.
oathy
06-08-2016
Saying in the other thread. This has been a boil just waiting to burst for many years since C5 took over.

Look at all the visual material they have aired and not doing a Maud flanters. Its been bloody disgusting (gross), Yet they cant get enough of that!!! yet anything Verbal and they totally freaks out. the show is carrying so many demons from the bad days on Channel 4
instead of having a clean reboot, They kept the paranoia that C4 introduced.

Ofcom rules are quite clear on the subject as long as the channel give viewers clear warnings. And everything is cleared by the legal department and it goes out post watershed it should be okay.

At this moment in time. the show is so focused on Sex. Talk of Sex because it might gain complaints but it avoids the area of Race, Sexism. Etc all the hard topics they would rather avoid
Goggle girl
06-08-2016
I suppose the staff & crew are "viewers" in a sense too?
CLL Dodge
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by North Downs:
“Blimey, who are you? Big Brothers lawyer? ”

Veri's comments make more sense than Gervais'.
CLL Dodge
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“I really wish it was illegal to show people eating with their mouths open! ”

Especially when consuming someone else's saliva.
nattoyaki
06-08-2016
Blimey you know you're doing something very badly wrong when the likes of Gervais call you out on it...

I wonder how much hush money Russell Brand is getting not to comment (assuming it's not part of his lifelong contract, but it probably is).
Fried Kickin
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by nattoyaki:
“Blimey you know you're doing something very badly wrong when the likes of Gervais call you out on it...

I wonder how much hush money Russell Brand is getting not to comment (assuming it's not part of his lifelong contract, but it probably is).”

Ricky Gervais has been a BB fan for many years.
I remember him tweeting about the hobgoblin Dennis from BB9.
CLL Dodge
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“Ricky Gervais has been a BB fan for many years.
I remember him tweeting about the hobgoblin Dennis from BB9.”

I remember him at Live Aid telling a global audience how wonderful it was that Saskia had been evicted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUk15Qi4xXM
oathy
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“I remember him at Live Aid telling a global audience how wonderful it was that Saskia had been evicted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUk15Qi4xXM”

Its Brilliant when Celebs who are clearly huge fans come out and say things like this.
anything we say they just disregard, something has to change with them.
this two tier outlook on what's visually offence and verbally is just crazy
Paace
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“I really wish it was illegal to show people eating with their mouths open!




They are happy to endorse it when they show "South Park" You know, that cartoon about the racist, bigoted, Nazi loving little boy?”

Wow, I don't watch South Park but I'm amazed they have such a character in an American cartoon . The American networks are very wary of offending their sponsors and audience .
Goggle girl
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Wow, I don't watch South Park but I'm amazed they have such a character in an American cartoon . The American networks are very wary of offending their sponsors and audience .”

Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?
honeythewitch
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Wow, I don't watch South Park but I'm amazed they have such a character in an American cartoon . The American networks are very wary of offending their sponsors and audience .”

Obviously not as wary as we thought. And neither are channel five!

Clips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxoKjwudruw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2h3X9dQifc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkTvU06lxRk
honeythewitch
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Goggle girl:
“Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?”

Wouldn't he have known from the start? (I dont actually watch it)
TheElf
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Goggle girl:
“Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?”

No, he left because of their scientology episode, that was his personal belief system & he felt it went a step too far.
Fried Kickin
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Goggle girl:
“Didn't the singer(?) who voiced "chef" leave because he thought the programme racist?”

I thought it was because of their constant mocking of Scientology.
He's one of them.

Edit - I missed TheElf's post
Sorry just said what was already said
Jimmy Skitz
06-08-2016
so am I right in thinking the final straw for Biggins was the Aids talk they just showed?
Nosedive
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“so am I right in thinking the final straw for Biggins was the Aids talk they just showed?”

Yes it was. In particular the bit about singling out bi-sexuals.
moonlily
06-08-2016
Originally Posted by GreenEyes8:
“When they warned Bear they told him one of the rules was Swearing !!”

Yes obviously swearing is compulsory , you only have to listen to them all.
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