So BB and CBB housemates are fine if they're physically violent -- Bear can smash a window, Bear and Jason can both break down doors -- but if someone says something offensive then they're out, even despite the ludicrous and overblown "warnings" we have listen to before every single segment of the programme?
Why are words worse than deeds?
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I'm with you on this one. We now know that BB regard someone violently smashing a mirror and breaking open the DR door (as well as threatening to trash the Diary Room) as less of a transgression than someone making an offensive or un-PC remark.
Words are capable of causing offence. Housemates (Jackson and co in BB, Katie, Aubrey and co in this one) can audibly say that they are frightened of Jason/Bear/Heavy D, yet the violence they say they're scared of isn't causing offence. And the violent people they're scared of are allowed to remain and even win the show.
It depends I have been beaten up in my life and sometimes so bad I ended up in Hospital.
I have also been verbally abused and honestly some of the time the words hurt more.
Cuts and bruses heal but what is said can never go away.
I have also been verbally abused and honestly some of the time the words hurt more.
Cuts and bruses heal but what is said can never go away.
Originally Posted by Prof_Matt:
“So BB and CBB housemates are fine if they're physically violent -- Bear can smash a window, Bear and Jason can both break down doors -- but if someone says something offensive then they're out, even despite the ludicrous and overblown "warnings" we have listen to before every single segment of the programme?”
“So BB and CBB housemates are fine if they're physically violent -- Bear can smash a window, Bear and Jason can both break down doors -- but if someone says something offensive then they're out, even despite the ludicrous and overblown "warnings" we have listen to before every single segment of the programme?”
The producers are a joke...........Bear's behaviour the other night warranted his immediate removal. We don't know what Biggins has said, nor are we likely to find out the real truth either. Aubrey deserved to be ejected after spitting in Bear's food & drink but wasn't.
They really need to be consistent with their rules!
Why. Because most people watching wouldn't be too bothered, if someone does some damage to a tv studio. Obviously hurting a person, would be a total different ball game. I don't think the general viewer, cares all that much if someone causes some damage in a tv studio. I think BB themselves even expect this at times, due to the environment. It has happened a few times.
It's not seen as the same thing, as someone walking by your house and smashing your car up.
It's not seen as the same thing, as someone walking by your house and smashing your car up.
I will add, there is still some difference between Jason and Bear. The environment reason in my last post. Long term pressure and stress e.t.c. could be used for Jason. But for Bear, what is it, about a week after being in there. When he forced the door open, and smashed a window. The time span isn't long. And what pressure and stress has he had. Bugger all.
He's been having fun as 'jack the lad' since day 1.
He's been having fun as 'jack the lad' since day 1.
It depends on the words and on the deeds. There's nothing that says words are always worse.
But a HM breaking down a door isn't something that creates an Ofcom issue, while some things that HMs say are.
But a HM breaking down a door isn't something that creates an Ofcom issue, while some things that HMs say are.
Obviously there are terrible acts people can perform (murder, torture etc)
However words can incite people to peform those acts or drive people to suicide. Many leaders of terrorist organisation do not commit acts of terror themselves, but inspire others to do so.
That said, I don't think anything Christopher Biggins said would be put in that category. However we just don't know what was said. Leaving people with no evidence so that they jump to conclusions, or using the incident to promote the programme and get people to tune in, is in itself immoral. Whatever he said, the BB production team are milking it in order to publicise their programme.
However words can incite people to peform those acts or drive people to suicide. Many leaders of terrorist organisation do not commit acts of terror themselves, but inspire others to do so.
That said, I don't think anything Christopher Biggins said would be put in that category. However we just don't know what was said. Leaving people with no evidence so that they jump to conclusions, or using the incident to promote the programme and get people to tune in, is in itself immoral. Whatever he said, the BB production team are milking it in order to publicise their programme.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I can only think of two instances where HMs were removed for deeds, the rest were all for words .”
“I can only think of two instances where HMs were removed for deeds, the rest were all for words .”
What are your deeds ones? I can think of
* Nasty nick, 'cause it was partly for writing names.
* Kitten for repeated rule-breaking (which included deeds).
* Dawn in bb7 for using a code.
* Dennis for spitting.
* Whatshisname for what he did re Joel in bb16. (Aaron?)
(Nick and Dawn are perhaps questionable, but I include them for completeness.)
Any others?
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Why. Because most people watching wouldn't be too bothered, if someone does some damage to a tv studio. Obviously hurting a person, would be a total different ball game. I don't think the general viewer, cares all that much if someone causes some damage in a tv studio..”
“Why. Because most people watching wouldn't be too bothered, if someone does some damage to a tv studio. Obviously hurting a person, would be a total different ball game. I don't think the general viewer, cares all that much if someone causes some damage in a tv studio..”
Yeah I always think that too. Who gives a nun's nub if someone throws a cup at Big Brother's mirror or breaks open Big Brother's door? Big Brother don't - and its their cup, mirror and door!
I shall await tonights episode before commenting on whether biggins antics warranted a removal.
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“Yeah I always think that too. Who gives a nun's nub if someone throws a cup at Big Brother's mirror or breaks open Big Brother's door? Big Brother don't - and its their cup, mirror and door!
I shall await tonights episode before commenting on whether biggins antics warranted a removal.”
“Yeah I always think that too. Who gives a nun's nub if someone throws a cup at Big Brother's mirror or breaks open Big Brother's door? Big Brother don't - and its their cup, mirror and door!
I shall await tonights episode before commenting on whether biggins antics warranted a removal.”
If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage. So it's not just something mildly provocative like throwing a glass of water over someone, we're talking about criminal behaviour.
Personally, I'd rather be stuck in a house with someone who has questionable views - and call them out on it/let them publicly 'hang' themselves - than someone who flies into a blind rage and smashes things OR someone who spits in my food.
Words may offend but they can be countered/admonished but if someone had happened to walk out into the garden when Bear launched the tantrum mug then it could have really hurt them.
No competition. Bear/Aubrey should've been chucked out. Biggins should have been left in to face the music for whatever it is he said.
Words may offend but they can be countered/admonished but if someone had happened to walk out into the garden when Bear launched the tantrum mug then it could have really hurt them.
No competition. Bear/Aubrey should've been chucked out. Biggins should have been left in to face the music for whatever it is he said.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“What are your deeds ones? I can think of
* Nasty nick, 'cause it was partly for writing names.
* Kitten for repeated rule-breaking (which included deeds).
* Dawn in bb7 for using a code.
* Dennis for spitting.
* Whatshisname for what he did re Joel in bb16. (Aaron?)
(Nick and Dawn are perhaps questionable, but I include them for completeness.)
Any others?”
“What are your deeds ones? I can think of
* Nasty nick, 'cause it was partly for writing names.
* Kitten for repeated rule-breaking (which included deeds).
* Dawn in bb7 for using a code.
* Dennis for spitting.
* Whatshisname for what he did re Joel in bb16. (Aaron?)
(Nick and Dawn are perhaps questionable, but I include them for completeness.)
Any others?”
Daley for what he did to Hazel in BB14
Jeremy Jackson in CBB15
Because smashing a mirror doesn't compare to joking about about peoples deaths. Joking about the Nazis on national Tv is just stupid especially as there is a jewish housemate in the house.
Originally Posted by Hamish Mancini:
“Personally, I'd rather be stuck in a house with someone who has questionable views - and call them out on it/let them publicly 'hang' themselves - than someone who flies into a blind rage and smashes things OR someone who spits in my food.
Words may offend but they can be countered/admonished but if someone had happened to walk out into the garden when Bear launched the tantrum mug then it could have really hurt them.
No competition. Bear/Aubrey should've been chucked out. Biggins should have been left in to face the music for whatever it is he said.”
“Personally, I'd rather be stuck in a house with someone who has questionable views - and call them out on it/let them publicly 'hang' themselves - than someone who flies into a blind rage and smashes things OR someone who spits in my food.
Words may offend but they can be countered/admonished but if someone had happened to walk out into the garden when Bear launched the tantrum mug then it could have really hurt them.
No competition. Bear/Aubrey should've been chucked out. Biggins should have been left in to face the music for whatever it is he said.
”
Apart from the fact that Bear didnt throw the mug anywhere near the housemates?
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage. .”
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage. .”
I would!
Although if I was forcibly keeping them in the bathroom despite their instance they wanted to come out, I'd probably have to let the door one go, for fear of them charging me in turn!
But the point is that it's Big Brothers mirror and Big Brother's door and Big Brother's choice how to respond to it.
I'm just not that arsed to be brutally honest. Some people do seem to get very distressed watching it though so... I don't know.. *shrugs*
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage. So it's not just something mildly provocative like throwing a glass of water over someone, we're talking about criminal behaviour.”
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage. So it's not just something mildly provocative like throwing a glass of water over someone, we're talking about criminal behaviour.”
Yeah, but my house isn't a game show on tv. Designed to wind people up.
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Yeah, but my house isn't a game show on tv. Designed to wind people up.”
“Yeah, but my house isn't a game show on tv. Designed to wind people up.
”
Hang on is this someone on the forum not taking the show seriously and appreciating that its an entertainment show. I thought I was the only one
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“It depends I have been beaten up in my life and sometimes so bad I ended up in Hospital.
I have also been verbally abused and honestly some of the time the words hurt more.
Cuts and bruses heal but what is said can never go away.”
“It depends I have been beaten up in my life and sometimes so bad I ended up in Hospital.
I have also been verbally abused and honestly some of the time the words hurt more.
Cuts and bruses heal but what is said can never go away.”
Abuse is different to someone offering an opinion or joke some take offence to.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Hang on is this someone on the forum not taking the show seriously and appreciating that its an entertainment show. I thought I was the only one”
“Hang on is this someone on the forum not taking the show seriously and appreciating that its an entertainment show. I thought I was the only one
”
Yes
The likes of Bear wouldn't get past my Shed! lol
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage.”
“If a guest in your house smashed a mirror and broke open a door, you'd be well entitled to call the police and have them charged with criminal damage.”
Yes, but I'm not looking to make money from their actions within the house.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Apart from the fact that Bear didnt throw the mug anywhere near the housemates?”
“Apart from the fact that Bear didnt throw the mug anywhere near the housemates?”
Hence why I said "IF someone had...". He had stormed out to the garden to calm down - what if someone had come out to check on him? He didn't aim the mug anywhere, he just threw it. Unacceptable behaviour when you're sharing a living space.
I'm not easily offended so his gobbing off is more an irritant for me than anything else but physical violence is unacceptable.
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Hang on is this someone on the forum not taking the show seriously and appreciating that its an entertainment show. I thought I was the only one”
“Hang on is this someone on the forum not taking the show seriously and appreciating that its an entertainment show. I thought I was the only one
”
What's the big deal with an old buffoon making un-PC remarks and off colour jokes then?
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