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Is it his fault none of the housemates debated him?! Why didn't Big Brother put up a caption saying "Big Brother does not endorse this view", or take him to the diary room and debate his views with him. That would be more useful to people then having him removed and indirectly censoring free speech.
Neither my suggestion or yours would be part of what BB is. Both would be more responsible than what happened. i wholly disagree with what I know of what he said, but their response isn't helpful. |
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It's freedom of speech.
Change the word to toycar or rabbit and it will still be a silly conspiracy theory. Change the word to whatever you want and it's still freedom of speech. Ban people from saying words all you like, they will still think it though. To be against free speech, however repellent it may or may not be, is to be against freedom. To kick Biggins out of the house because they don't like his barmy opinions or conspiracy theories is censorship pure and simple. I find the BB producers far more offensive than Biggins to be honest. |
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I'm neither deluded or stupid I just prefer to let stupid people with stupid views to continue to look rediculous. It's just a shame there was nobody with the intelligence or gumption in there to really take him to task. In no time at all his arguments could have been shot down.... That's all we need to do with such people,
The people we need to fear are those living in our midst while holding horrific views , as recent events in France have shown . I prefer to know who is who and what is what , out in the open so I know where people stand . In the grand scheme of things Biggins silly theory is not on my radar other than my view that punishing him for it just to drum up publicity is deeply unfair . If they with hold his fee I hope he sues for it . He put his time in to the best of his ability and at his age it wasn't an easy gig suffering that lot . |
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From my experience it is true.
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if you ask to read the BB rulebook that all contestants get to read you'll find he broke the rules with his comments.
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if you ask to read the BB rulebook that all contestants get to read you'll find he broke the rules with his comments.
So did Bear break the rules when he smashed the diary room up. He will win the show (with BBs help). |
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As has Bear, by physically damaging the house, as has Colin with his threatening behaviour. Yet both of them are still in. Something that irks people is the complete lack of consistency from BB.
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I'm neither deluded or stupid I just prefer to let stupid people with stupid views to continue to look rediculous. It's just a shame there was nobody with the intelligence or gumption in there to really take him to task. In no time at all his arguments could have been shot down.... That's all we need to do with such people,
There are two or three people in there who I think would have said something had they heard it, but then again it's Biggins (and Renee), so who knows! |
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This is true, i've noticed over time people only defend this sort of thing when it doesn't directly affect them or if it's not a fashionable stance to take at this moment, for instance if statements were made against 'blacks' you would see alot more support for the removal of biggins and not so much support had the comments been about let's say asians.. Having said that it's hard to truly condemn Biggins without knowing fully what had been said on monday in regards to his conversation with Katie but that's the unfortunate thing about ch5 these days they show us what they want us to see..
Also there's a part of me wondering if the only reason they left it till tonight to show his removal and not last week is viewing figures for the weekend are usually lower than during the week also no bots so there's no chance of discussion which is good for them. I still think they were told by the legal team not to show what happened on Monday, which I think we should have been shown. |
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THAT is what truly aggravates me - twice he's said anti-bisexual things and nobody has contradicted him. In the case we saw tonight he and Renee were agreeing with each other. People keep saying it's stifling debate, nobody wanted to debate (were they alone the time we saw today?). It's not a debate when two people state ridiculous things as fact with no contradiction.
There are two or three people in there who I think would have said something had they heard it, but then again it's Biggins (and Renee), so who knows! |
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The same rules should apply whether you are hetrosexual or LGBT. If a hetrosexual had said the same, there would be outrage.
I have no problem with them removing Biggins. What he said was stupid and ignorant. I do however have a problem when other people are given less sanction for equally bad or worse things. |
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You'd have to be a pretty fragile and delicate little thing to be offended by his comments that were aired tonight surely? Or is it just me that thinks it was a big fuss over nothing?
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You'd have to be a pretty fragile and delicate little thing to be offended by his comments that were aired tonight surely? Or is it just me that thinks it was a big fuss over nothing?
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yes to this. Whats really shutting down free speech is that no one in there is capable of refuting the obviously offensive comments - creating the debate people are feeling robbed of in his removal. that debate should have been easy to win if anyone debated it.
In saying what he did while being the only one who is capable of holding court apparently, he's effectively giving information some viewers in a fashion that suggests views are irrefutable and therefore have some gravity. The only other way that BB could have played it was to turn it into a task - play the remarks to the housemates and have a pro and con team. I'm really surprised they didn't do this to be honest, they've done it before. MAKE them debate it, make them express an opinion and get out of their safe zones. Quote:
Channel 5 has morals?
Yes, when did that happen? Must have been in-between the fat shaming program and the poverty porn!Quote:
Winston?
I have no problem with them removing Biggins. What he said was stupid and ignorant. I do however have a problem when other people are given less sanction for equally bad or worse things. I don't think he should have been removed, a stern final warning should have been given and I do think they should have spoken to Renee (which they may well have done and, again, not shown us). I also think they are hiding how many times they take Bear into the DR to talk to him, on Live Feed he seems to get called in there regularly! |
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Because there isn't a massive 'bisexual community' there's still loads of hate and misconception surrounding it.
You change the word bisexual to black or gay and people would give off, it wast as though he hadn't already done it and he'd obviously been warned before so for continued hatred he deserved to go. People defending him, saying its freedom of speech are either deluded or stupid. Also what do you mean by misconception..... I disagreed with Biggins comments about a is wanting to be gay but I took his AIDS comments as his view point and there being a certain amount of logic , albeit it misguided. I am sure one way AIDS spread through the hetro community was from cross gender and sexual orientation sex but that was one wY only. I don't think he should have been kicked out for an opinion during a discussion. I find Renees views far more offensive .... Like not giving guns to non American citizens (surely that counts as racism in a massive form). |
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Winston?
I have no problem with them removing Biggins. What he said was stupid and ignorant. I do however have a problem when other people are given less sanction for equally bad or worse things. |
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I agree, but it is BB...not a learning tool nor a place of genuine ethics, just output box ticking ethics
Neither my suggestion or yours would be part of what BB is. Both would be more responsible than what happened. i wholly disagree with what I know of what he said, but their response isn't helpful. BUT being horrible, vindictive and using mental cruelty is tolerated.... in fact encouraged by the production team. It is hypocritical on many levels. |
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Channel 5 has morals?
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Why are people defending Biggins?
If Bear had said what this disgusting old bigot did, there'd be a lynchmob with pitchforks! Sickening that the twitter brigade think it's ok for bisexual people and aids sufferers to be discriminated like this.
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If Bear had said what this disgusting old bigot did, there'd be a lynchmob with pitchforks! Sickening that the twitter brigade think it's ok for bisexual people and aids sufferers to be discriminated like this.
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If Bear had said what this disgusting old bigot did, there'd be a lynchmob with pitchforks! Sickening that the twitter brigade think it's ok for bisexual people and aids sufferers to be discriminated like this.
What was discriminating about what was said? what was said? do you actually know? lol |
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Bear has said worse than making a joke about something where millions of innocent men, women and children were mercilessly killed? Go on then enlighten us. Quote:
Bear has said worse, done worse and is still in there ......
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No one is defending him, we're defending his right to express himself BB should've taken steps to make sure it wasn't aired on Channel 5 or have shown the warnings Biggins got for the bisexual talk. I don't like what he says but I'm not gonna force him into my thought of thinking. I would've done the same thing if Bear was in his situation, don't judge people too quickly.
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The bisexual conversations were given prominence but it was the ethnicity 'joke' that did for him. Deemed so bad that BB decided we're not allowed to know what he said.
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Bear has said worse than making a joke about something where millions of innocent men, women and children were mercilessly killed?
Go on then enlighten us. Edit: misread your post, you asked what Bear said as opposed to what he did, fair enough |
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Yes, when did that happen?
Must have been in-between the fat shaming program and the poverty porn!