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Old 04-09-2016, 10:36
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The problem, (which is fortunate for the old codger) is that some remember him as he was at his peak, not as the doddery and irascible octogenarian who thought the show was all about him, he'd become in his last two series.
He's not a well man, it'd be like Marley's ghost turning up at a family Christmas celebration. Best he put his feet up and enjoyed his few remaining years.

As many have said, the show has moved on and Tess and Claudia are not as in your face as he always was.
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:39
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The problem, (which is fortunate for the old codger) is that some remember him as he was at his peak, not as the doddery and irascible octogenarian who thought the show was all about him, he'd become in his last two series.
He's not a well man, it'd be like Marley's ghost turning up at a family Christmas celebration. Best he put his feet up and enjoyed his few remaining years.

As many have said, the show has moved on and Tess and Claudia are not as in your face as he always was.

Well said!
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Old 04-09-2016, 18:17
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I agree. He can pop in and it will be nice to see him to see him nice! Well for me anyway. He isn't up to presenting. Mind you he hasn't got a lot to beat as the presenters are the weakest on UK entertainment programme. The programme carries them!
Of course Len's final broadcast show will be the Christmas show not the final of the series

I think if Bruce does appear we'll be in for a shock at how frail he looks
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Old 04-09-2016, 19:28
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People retire when they feel the time is right, some do occasional work , it is not for us to tell anyone it is time they stopped.

It is when they are on publicly funded television
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Old 04-09-2016, 19:50
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As much as I like Bruce, and I do by the way, I wish him well,but I don't want to see him on the Christmas Special.
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Old 04-09-2016, 19:55
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Others have managed to "leave the stage" and were equally big as Forsyth in the odd case. Why should he continue to come back even if it is only once a year. His way of reminding us he is still alive. NO THANKS Lets move on
Charming!
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Old 04-09-2016, 19:56
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It is when they are on publicly funded television
No it still isn't , unless you wish to tell every employee in the country when to retire as we fund all people by shopping where we spend our money and our taxes in one way or another etc Forced Retirement ( DRA) in general was abolished and has never existed in entertainment, you don't force someone to retire because you personally don' t like them or they no longer appeal to you.
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:00
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I agree. He can pop in and it will be nice to see him to see him nice! Well for me anyway. He isn't up to presenting. Mind you he hasn't got a lot to beat as the presenters are the weakest on UK entertainment programme. The programme carries them!
You're falling into the trap of thinking that the presenters are important, they aren't, they are just a link between the performances. Tess and Claudia are adequate. That's all that's necessary.

Bruce's biggest fault was that he considered he was important and it to be his show.
It wasn't.
He caused chaos with the schedule as he often took up too much time trying to draw attention to himself.
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:01
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Does anyone really think this is just not the way a man with a lifetime in entertainment is giving themselves something to focus on as a goal for getting better? Am I the only one imaging friends and family saying, 'yes, Bruce - of course you will' and then shaking their head behind him?
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:11
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Does anyone really think this is just not the way a man with a lifetime in entertainment is giving themselves something to focus on as a goal for getting better? Am I the only one imaging friends and family saying, 'yes, Bruce - of course you will' and then shaking their head behind him?
I don't know why he hasn't gone to his home in Porto Rico, the weather would suit him better there. It's from where his wife comes and he can play golf or do anything he likes.

He's banged on enough about the place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...le-secret.html
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:15
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No it still isn't , unless you wish to tell every employee in the country when to retire as we fund all people by shopping where we spend our money and our taxes in one way or another etc Forced Retirement ( DRA) in general was abolished and has never existed in entertainment, you don't force someone to retire because you personally don' t like them or they no longer appeal to you.
well said skp, we should all be applauding Sir Bruce for his fighting spirit.
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Old 04-09-2016, 20:44
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No it still isn't , unless you wish to tell every employee in the country when to retire as we fund all people by shopping where we spend our money and our taxes in one way or another etc Forced Retirement ( DRA) in general was abolished and has never existed in entertainment, you don't force someone to retire because you personally don' t like them or they no longer appeal to you.


Most people in show business are on short-term contracts with renewal clauses with some.
When it comes up for renewal, the network usually decides whether to renew it or not. It's not a question of "forced retirement," so why mention it?
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:08
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Most people in show business are on short-term contracts with renewal clauses with some.
When it comes up for renewal, the network usually decides whether to renew it or not. It's not a question of "forced retirement," so why mention it?
if you read what I said and the reply you will clearly see why I mentioned it.

People retire when they feel the time is right, some do occasional work , it is not for us to tell anyone it is time they stopped.

It is when they are on publicly funded television
The poster is saying we should decide when someone retires if they work for the BBC, if you do not like a performer and believe you have the right based on that to make them retire that is forced retirement
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:49
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I don't know why people even think there is a possibility of this. Bruce is 88, obviously not at all well. Couldn't travel to Puerta Rico this year or even to Wilnelia's perfume launch in London. He comes from the old school of showbiz,where the show must go on. It must be really difficult for him after being so fit and healthy for his age up to last year and I am sure,as people have said, it is just something those around him have given him to focus on. Sadly for him,not going to happen.
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Old 04-09-2016, 21:51
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it's okay, I'm happy for him to appear on the telly if I can dance with Wilnelia while he's away
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:10
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if you read what I said and the reply you will clearly see why I mentioned it.

The poster is saying we should decide when someone retires if they work for the BBC, if you do not like a performer and believe you have the right based on that to make them retire that is forced retirement
I was commenting upon what you said. That's why I mentioned it.
Bringing in an unrelated circumstance which didn't apply in this case was a bit pointless.
I've no arguments with employment law, where it applies.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:19
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I was commenting upon what you said. That's why I mentioned it.
Bringing in an unrelated circumstance which didn't apply in this case was a bit pointless.
I've no arguments with employment law, where it applies.
So you would not class us the public being able to decide the retirement age of a performer because they work at the BBC ( as was said by the poster I replied to ) as forced retirement ?

So lets look at it from another angle, refusing to enter a contract for a performance with someone as some members of the public think they are too old , is that ok ?
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:31
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So you would not class us the public being able to decide the retirement age of a performer because they work at the BBC ( as was said by the poster I replied to ) as forced retirement ?

So lets look at it from another angle, refusing to enter a contract for a performance with someone as some members of the public think they are too old , is that ok ?
Sorry, I've lost interest, you can think what you like. That particular situation isn't important in the circumstances.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:33
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I couldn't stand Bruce in his heyday, and liked him even less as he definitely outstayed his welcome on Strictly. As has been said up thread - whichever show he has presented, he's always hogged the camera and made it all about him, and his pathetic jokes and patter, when in most cases, the shows are all about the contestants (for the game shows) or the artistes in the case of the variety shows - not the link man!

I haven't got a problem with him popping in to visit the show as an audience member - but I don't think he should present again. The launch show which we saw yesterday took many hours to film last week (with young fit and healthy presenters) and he would never have been able to do do it.

In any case, it's the BBC and the production staff who decide who they are going to employ - not the public, or Bruce. Given the state of his health, they must have very grave doubts about employing him again in any capacity
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:35
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I have a feeling that somewhere in Bruce's mind, even subliminally, there's the hope that he'll "do a Tommy Cooper" and check out while performing.
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Old 04-09-2016, 22:46
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I couldn't stand Bruce in his heyday, and liked him even less as he definitely outstayed his welcome on Strictly. As has been said up thread - whichever show he has presented, he's always hogged the camera and made it all about him, and his pathetic jokes and patter, when in most cases, the shows are all about the contestants (for the game shows) or the artistes in the case of the variety shows - not the link man!

I haven't got a problem with him popping in to visit the show as an audience member - but I don't think he should present again. The launch show which we saw yesterday took many hours to film last week (with young fit and healthy presenters) and he would never have been able to do do it.

In any case, it's the BBC and the production staff who decide who they are going to employ - not the public, or Bruce. Given the state of his health, they must have very grave doubts about employing him again in any capacity
Effectively he was pushed out. But the exact reason for his departure was probably "negotiated."
"We ain't renewing your contract," but, "in a good way," as Claude would say.

It must have been a shock to him when he was genuinely ill one week and the ratings increased during his absence. The facts being, it really didn't matter who presented it.

As I've mentioned before, the odds on him "doing a Tommy Cooper," were shortening. It would have been bad enough with a one performance show as was poor Tommy Cooper's death on stage, but in the middle of a fifteen week run? It'd be a catastrophe.

They might interview him for a recorded bit that could be added to the Christmas Show. A decision on whether to include it "depending on circumstances," could always be left to the last minute as the whole thing is recorded.
He looked shocking in the last recorded contribution he made, the make up was so thick, it looked like he'd been embalmed, the poor sod.
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Old 05-09-2016, 03:34
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So you would not class us the public being able to decide the retirement age of a performer because they work at the BBC ( as was said by the poster I replied to ) as forced retirement ?

So lets look at it from another angle, refusing to enter a contract for a performance with someone as some members of the public think they are too old , is that ok ?

The majority of viewers at home would love to see Sir Bruce return for The Christmas Show.
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Old 05-09-2016, 06:30
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The majority of viewers at home would love to see Sir Bruce return for The Christmas Show.
I highly doubt that. Unless you've carried out a survey Terry?
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:22
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An article from today's Express re this......

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-...istmas-special
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:38
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Sir Bruce back for the Christmas Special is just the tonic we all need at Christmas scarlotti.
There's only one tonic I need at Christmas. Schhhhh. Not Brucie!
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