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Old 05-09-2016, 14:43
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Effectively he was pushed out. But the exact reason for his departure was probably "negotiated."
"We ain't renewing your contract," but, "in a good way," as Claude would say.

It must have been a shock to him when he was genuinely ill one week and the ratings increased during his absence. The facts being, it really didn't matter who presented it.

As I've mentioned before, the odds on him "doing a Tommy Cooper," were shortening. It would have been bad enough with a one performance show as was poor Tommy Cooper's death on stage, but in the middle of a fifteen week run? It'd be a catastrophe.

They might interview him for a recorded bit that could be added to the Christmas Show. A decision on whether to include it "depending on circumstances," could always be left to the last minute as the whole thing is recorded.
He looked shocking in the last recorded contribution he made, the make up was so thick, it looked like he'd been embalmed, the poor sod.
I agree. He is too much of a liability just because of his sheer age and the high risk of a catastrophe. Bear in mind SCD is live and is sparkly, frothy, feel-good, light entertainment.

Can you imagine if he dropped dead on camera? I am sure he would say it would be a fitting end to a long and illustrious career, but it would sure put a dampener on the show.

Christmas special wouldn't be so bad because it is recorded.
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Old 05-09-2016, 15:19
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The majority of viewers at home would love to see Sir Bruce return for The Christmas Show.
A majority of one person - you, my friend.

Many of the viewing public are more likely to be asking "Bruce who?"
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Old 05-09-2016, 15:40
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That operation happened almost a year ago - and as it was keyhole surgery - hardly "invasive" - and yes, I've had several keyhole surgeries myself so do know what I'm talking about.

If he is still recovering from that - his health is clearly very fragile and he would be more doddery than ever - even doing a pre- recorded show.

Let him have a prime seat in he audience (or even be a guest judge) for the Christmas Special - but for goodness sake - just let Tess and Claudia get on with the great job they have been doing for the last couple of years
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Old 05-09-2016, 16:26
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That operation happened almost a year ago - and as it was keyhole surgery - hardly "invasive" - and yes, I've had several keyhole surgeries myself so do know what I'm talking about.

If he is still recovering from that - his health is clearly very fragile and he would be more doddery than ever - even doing a pre- recorded show.

Let him have a prime seat in he audience (or even be a guest judge) for the Christmas Special - but for goodness sake - just let Tess and Claudia get on with the great job they have been doing for the last couple of years
The surgery itself may not be invasive and, if you are in good health, young and relatively fit, they are fairly simple surgeries to recover from. If you're in your 80's, have indeterminate health relating to other possible pre-existing conditions, then recovery is a very different prospect. Complications are rare, but happen, or infections, that would be shaken off rapidly by anyone younger, mean a hugely complicated and lengthy recovery.

I suspect that his recovery has been compromised by other conditions or infections, and has led to his current fragile state. I don't blame anyone around him for keeping his mind fixed on potentially being well enough to host a one-off show, as I suspect they feel this keeps his spirits up, and may contribute to his recovery. I just think it's a bit unrealistic, and I seriously doubt we'll ever see him doing any hosting duties in the future.
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:54
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The surgery itself may not be invasive and, if you are in good health, young and relatively fit, they are fairly simple surgeries to recover from. If you're in your 80's, have indeterminate health relating to other possible pre-existing conditions, then recovery is a very different prospect. Complications are rare, but happen, or infections, that would be shaken off rapidly by anyone younger, mean a hugely complicated and lengthy recovery.

I suspect that his recovery has been compromised by other conditions or infections, and has led to his current fragile state. I don't blame anyone around him for keeping his mind fixed on potentially being well enough to host a one-off show, as I suspect they feel this keeps his spirits up, and may contribute to his recovery. I just think it's a bit unrealistic, and I seriously doubt we'll ever see him doing any hosting duties in the future.
Good points/ great post.
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Old 05-09-2016, 21:28
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The fact that they did the surgery "keyhole" could actually tell us that he was too frail to have ordinary surgery which requires longer and deeper anaesthesia, and definitely has a much longer recovery time.

That said - he did the recorded Children in Need show, but fell ill before the Christmas show was recorded only a couple of weeks later - and he didn't look well in his recorded message. Taking 11 months to recover shows that he is too ill/ frail/ unable to truly contemplate doing the long and tiring Christmas show, and I don't remember seeing him at Ronnie Corbetts funeral, and given hoŵ good pals they were, it's surprising that he wasn't there if he was able to be out and about.
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Old 05-09-2016, 21:39
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No it still isn't , unless you wish to tell every employee in the country when to retire as we fund all people by shopping where we spend our money and our taxes in one way or another etc Forced Retirement ( DRA) in general was abolished and has never existed in entertainment, you don't force someone to retire because you personally don' t like them or they no longer appeal to you.
I think however, that when they do not appeal to the majority of viewers, as I believe is the case here, it's time to retire from the show. If you still want to stay in the entertainment business and people are willing to employ you, then so be it.
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Old 05-09-2016, 23:13
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Of course Len's final broadcast show will be the Christmas show not the final of the series

I think if Bruce does appear we'll be in for a shock at how frail he looks
We may be surprised at how well he looks.
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Old 06-09-2016, 08:51
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Best wishes to Bruce for his recovery.

Hope he makes his target of participating in the Christmas Special.


I hope so too Ochre, the British Public will be right behind Sir Bruce as always.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:39
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I agree. He is too much of a liability just because of his sheer age and the high risk of a catastrophe. Bear in mind SCD is live and is sparkly, frothy, feel-good, light entertainment.

Can you imagine if he dropped dead on camera? I am sure he would say it would be a fitting end to a long and illustrious career, but it would sure put a dampener on the show.

Christmas special wouldn't be so bad because it is recorded.
Fortunately, the majority of people will never see someone die, but if he came back and it happened, even on a recorded show that was never broadcast, those present would be more than upset, and I say this as someone who has both been with someone when they died and found a person after death.

Any thoughts of dying on stage are selfish and unfair on anyone present. I saw Tommy Cooper collapse and I wouldn't want to see it again.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:42
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We may be surprised at how well he looks.
Unlikely - he wasn't looking 100% when he last appeared and he's had a further year of ill health added. If you want to remember him looking really old and frail, then keep hoping he'll do the Christmas Special.
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:02
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I think however, that when they do not appeal to the majority of viewers, as I believe is the case here, it's time to retire from the show. If you still want to stay in the entertainment business and people are willing to employ you, then so be it.
Great comment...........
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:39
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There is, of course, the fact that although the BBC say they would welcome him back if he wants to do it, they will do a risk assessment before deciding whether or not to offer him a contract.

They wouldn't look at him and say "Well, even though it's likely you'll be taken ill or worse in the middle of filming, we'll be happy to spend all that money recording part of the show and then have to do it all again when we have to get a new presenter to take over."
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:39
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There is, of course, the fact that although the BBC say they would welcome him back if he wants to do it, they will do a risk assessment before deciding whether or not to offer him a contract.

They wouldn't look at him and say "Well, even though it's likely you'll be taken ill or worse in the middle of filming, we'll be happy to spend all that money recording part of the show and then have to do it all again when we have to get a new presenter to take over."
I am sure that his wife will not let him do any more than she thinks he can manage. I can't him presenting the whole programme, perhaps a couple of short appearances.
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Old 06-09-2016, 21:11
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I am sure that his wife will not let him do any more than she thinks he can manage. I can't him presenting the whole programme, perhaps a couple of short appearances.
You are quite right lundavra, Sir Bruce's wife will know what is best for him, she won't have to take any notice of the ramblings on the internet.
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Old 08-09-2016, 02:00
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Unlikely - he wasn't looking 100% when he last appeared and he's had a further year of ill health added. If you want to remember him looking really old and frail, then keep hoping he'll do the Christmas Special.


Sir Bruce is very fit for his age and drinks a lot of water, we must be careful not to paint a misleading portrait of his appearance, that would not be fair at all.
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Old 08-09-2016, 10:11
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Terry, as someone who's big a fan of Bruce Forsyth, perhaps you should be encouraging him to take care of himself, not encouraging him to risk damaging his health even further by taking on tasks that he no longer has the stamina for. Just a thought.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:27
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Sir Bruce is very fit for his age and drinks a lot of water, we must be careful not to paint a misleading portrait of his appearance, that would not be fair at all.
And what has drinking lots of water got to with anything? You know you can get water poisoning through drinking too much (it only takes about 6 litres of water to kill a person weighing 12 stone). It dilutes the blood (hyponatremia), overloads the kidneys and causes the brain to swell, one symptom of which is mental disorientation.

Having a healthy amount of exercise for ones age, eating sensibly and drinking sensible amounts of water to stay hydrated are more important and safer than drinking lots of water.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:34
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People retire when they feel the time is right, some do occasional work , it is not for us to tell anyone it is time they stopped.
Yes it is, we pay his wages, in the way of the licence fee, if we don't then who is it up to?
Now some bodies great Uncle Harry aged 87 would maybe love to do it, would we want him to no!

It's not a service for people to pop up on now and again, even for free, no fee, people have to actually want to watch them.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:48
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Glad he's in better health, but he's sorely mistaken if he thinks Strictly needs him.

Much in the same way that Anton and Brendan clearly think they carry the show.
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Old 10-09-2016, 16:59
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Glad he's in better health, but he's sorely mistaken if he thinks Strictly needs him.
And the success and smooth running of last years series proved that he was never needed!
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Old 10-09-2016, 18:06
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Yes it is, we pay his wages, in the way of the licence fee, if we don't then who is it up to?
Now some bodies great Uncle Harry aged 87 would maybe love to do it, would we want him to no!

It's not a service for people to pop up on now and again, even for free, no fee, people have to actually want to watch them.
You pay the wages of the shop worker where you shop, you pay the wages of every entertainer on every channel via advertising , the police officer , the fire fighter, the teacher, in fact you contribute to everyone's wages in one way or another so you think you should say when they all retire or is it just those employed by the BBC ?
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Old 10-09-2016, 18:13
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You pay the wages of the shop worker where you shop, you pay the wages of every entertainer on every channel via advertising , the police officer , the fire fighter, the teacher, in fact you contribute to everyone's wages in one way or another so you think you should say when they all retire or is it just those employed by the BBC ?
Well, firstly the professionals that you listed all receive fairly average wages - whereas Bruce earns a painfully exorbitant amount to stand around and read something someone else wrote.

Secondly, once people in the professions you listed are no longer able to perform their jobs to an adequate standard - I'd imagine they be advised by their management to pass on the baton, so to speak.

Meanwhile, Bruce stumbles on his lines, uses tired old gags and generally makes fellow presenters, professional dancers and celebrity contestants visibly uncomfortable. Why shouldn't people have a say in that?

But again, wish him all the best, but don't feel he belongs on Strictly at this point in his career.
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Old 10-09-2016, 18:43
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Well, firstly the professionals that you listed all receive fairly average wages - whereas Bruce earns a painfully exorbitant amount to stand around and read something someone else wrote.

Secondly, once people in the professions you listed are no longer able to perform their jobs to an adequate standard - I'd imagine they be advised by their management to pass on the baton, so to speak.

Meanwhile, Bruce stumbles on his lines, uses tired old gags and generally makes fellow presenters, professional dancers and celebrity contestants visibly uncomfortable. Why shouldn't people have a say in that?

But again, wish him all the best, but don't feel he belongs on Strictly at this point in his career.
Belongs on Strictly ? , he left Strictly some time ago , he may be able to do the Christmas special , that's once a year and if he were so unpopular with the rest of the team then the BBC wouldn't want him to do it.
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Old 10-09-2016, 19:01
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You pay the wages of the shop worker where you shop, you pay the wages of every entertainer on every channel via advertising , the police officer , the fire fighter, the teacher, in fact you contribute to everyone's wages in one way or another so you think you should say when they all retire or is it just those employed by the BBC ?
If I'm ever stuck in a burning building, I sincerely hope any firefighters coming to my aid are less than 88 years old.
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